My UPS guy and OPSEC after several large ammo purchases

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It was a delivery of grenade hulls that broke open. That, and reports of sexual abuse of children by Koresh.
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The grenade hulls were perfectly legal -- they were inert training grenades.

The sexual abuse allegations had already been investigated by the Sheriff, and were not Federal crimes anyway.
 
When the mailman dropped off my first order of bullets from Missouri Bullet (about 60 lbs of them) he rang the doorbell and when I got there he said "I think your bullets are here."

There was nothing on the box to indicate the contents. :)

It turns out he shoots and reloads too and we spent about 15 minutes chatting about guns. He has a 10mm and is building an AR.
 
You wouldn't happen to have copious amounts of rice stored in 5 gallon buckets sealed in mylar, would you? Cause when I hear OPSEC, that's what I think of. Party at your house!
 
Quit ordering ammo delivered to your house if you're concerned about someone knowing you have a lot of ammo.
 
When the mailman dropped off my first order of bullets from Missouri Bullet (about 60 lbs of them) he rang the doorbell and when I got there he said "I think your bullets are here."

There was nothing on the box to indicate the contents.

It turns out he shoots and reloads too and we spent about 15 minutes chatting about guns. He has a 10mm and is building an AR.
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I ran into my mailman at a local indoor range, and we said hi, and traded turns on each others handguns. I showed him the holster he had delivered shortly before that :p

As far as the OP, I'd just be polite and ease his fears, and not worry about it. If he reports you for the non crime of buying ammo, I don't see how much could come of it.. It's sort of sad that we even have to worry about this, but I see the stories too about huge overreactions.
 
I get a couple of UPS deliveries every week, many from Amazon or other online purchasing spots. I don't think my UPS driver (unless he's a firearms aficionado) notices that some are from Cabela's or Midway or what they may contain.
Anyway, Walmart seems to have most of the ammo I want nowadays.;)
 
Good&Fruity said:
I hope he doesn't rob me or tell his friends that I have a ton of ammo, and likely a bunch of guns to go with it.
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I think it's a valid concern. I changed to the electronic version of The American Rifleman because I don't want all of the postal workers to connect that magazine with my address. Why advertise?
 
Back 20 years ago some fool hit me. I took it to the top body shop for imports in the DC area. One that was recommended by BMW and Mercedes car club members. I was living in a house with carport and not garage in a very low crime neighborhood in Fairfax County. I locked the car doors when I got home from picking my GTI 16v up at the bodyshop. When I went out to start it up to go to work found my big buck stereo set up to include speakers gone. Only damage done was a cracked trim place. Guys who did it were pros. Some of the screws holding the speakers were 3in long and they removed the seat to get the amp and crossover. Bodyshop owner was also a good friend. This was not a random car stereo theft. They knew what they were doing. I took the owner to lunch and we came up with a plan. He had the UPS guy ask around about stereo equipment for sale. One of the shop employees offered my equipment for sale. Unusual to have Canton car stereo speakers etc available. FCPD was in on it. They nabbed the guy with my equipment and he turned in his accomplices. Mike and his dad the owners were very upset. Perps got 24mos since it wasnt there first offense.

Point I am trying to make is you never know. I always only give my car key for service etc. Never leave any other keys on that ring. The perps did make a copy of my key. UPS guy is probably on the up and up. Chances are if he was going to break in he would be more interested in Iphones, Ipads and laptops because he would have ready buyers and know what he could get for it. he probably doesnt have a clue what he could sell 100rds of 9mm for.
 
You realize many have been caught stealing packages they were supposed to be delivering?
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No, have any published data to support this?

I worked Sunrise shift for a summer while teaching - this was back when RSR. J&G and others still shipped via UPS Ground. Now I knew who those folks were, because I was into guns at the time. If you weren't, it was just another package. Besides, everything is scanned in so many locations they can tell you who "misdelivered" your package if need be.

Again, way too much paranoia these days - loosen the tin foil hats gentlemen, it really ISN'T that bad outside your door
 
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Again, way too much paranoia these days - loosen the tin foil hats gentlemen, it really ISN'T that bad outside your door
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You realize the general public says the same about you for owning guns, period? It's all in where you draw the line.
 
I reload in my garage with the door up (it's HOT here in Florida). People drive by all the time, look in, and most would have NO idea what I am doing in there.

The trash man sees my empty flats of shotgun shells and just hauls it away with the other trash.

People aren't really out to get you or take the time to remember they dropped off some ammo at one address of 100 they delivered to that day.

We used to buy shotshells by the pallet - that was a group bulk purchase, especially when 2 or 3 pallets were brought into the neighborhood via a semi and off-loaded by hand - no one cared we just off loaded 75,000 rounds of shotgun shells
 
another option is, many places that ship ammo will give you cheaper shipping prices to a business. fedex and ups actually charge less to ship to a business than a residence. there are many ammo sites that don't pass on the savings to you though, but many do.

a site i deal with a lot for ammo does knock about five bucks off shipping when i send it to a relative's business, rather than my home.

obviously not everyone has a business they can send ammo to lol, but if you can, check it out :)
 
hso said:
Quit ordering ammo delivered to your house if you're concerned about someone knowing you have a lot of ammo.
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^this.

I hardly get any bullets/brass thru UPS anymore since the USPS started their flat rate boxes. Last time the mail lady knocked on a door with another 2000 bullets, she said "must be a bullet sale on, cause this is the 6th box today so far on my route and I'm only half done". I don't expect her to steal my components anymore than I suspect she steals old ladies social security checks.
 
Maybe get more friendly with the delivery guy? My UPS driver has my cell number and I have his. One of my other hobbies is my saltwater reef tank, and I often order fish or corals online. I give him a text the night before delivery and the next day he calls me 30min before he's due at my house. I talked with him one time about my concerns of sealed bags of water sitting in the Alabama sun, and this is how we worked it out. An extra $10 tip for my live deliveries keeps me and him happy (since generally shipping is $50+ for overnight stuff and I only order exotic stuff online, the $10 comes out to a few percent of the total cost). I know tipping isn't the way to save money, but maybe just build a relationship and get to know their name.
 
I find it useful to be on friendly terms with my regular delivery personnel - USPS, UPS, FedEx. We frequently wave to one another even when we're not near my house. I used to run a business from my home with a daily UPS pick up. My UPS gal and I are on very cordial terms. I used to have her cell phone number in case I missed her for a pick up. I could call her and meet her nearby on her lunch break.

A little "thank you" at Christmas never hurts either.

No matter what aspect of life, if you have people on whom you rely ... treat them well.

Food for thought.
 
Maybe found just found out how to pronounce the company name. In my part of the country we don't call it U-P-S we call it OOOPS.
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yep. i mail order a lot, and without a doubt FedEx and the USPS both have far superior service (and speed of delivery) to UPS. if i have an option, FedeEx is my first choice, then USPS.
 
Maybe he is a gun guy and wanted to start a conversation but felt he would be invading your privacy, plus he was rushed for time? Handlebar mustache guys can like guns, too ya know...just go to a cowboy action shoot.

:neener:

He seems like a guy in his own world
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You know, there are an awful lot of people who would say the same thing about those of us who shoot often and carry around a firearm we'll likely never need in defense. I'm just saying, don't be too quick to judge. :)

I get your point, I'm pretty distrustful of people, myself.

My UPS guy is awesome. He gets all excited when I order high performance parts. As a matter of fact, he once asked if I would open up a custom intake and supercharger I had ordered while he was there. I thought there for a second he was going to stick around and help bolt it on, bot no...he just talked my ear off.
 
Anyone here who says "don't worry about it" ever try to ship a handgun through UPS? That expensive 2nd day air rule stemmed from "loss" within the company. That said, I myself would be more worried about the sorters and loaders than the drivers. My local hub definitely has a few shady characters working there...

If you're really that worried about it, save up a few bucks and get yourself a good camera system. If someone steals your stuff you'll have a decent shot at catching them and getting said stuff back
 
No doubt, folks with mustaches cannot be trusted...especially the handlebar variety. Seriously?
Did you consider he may actually be thinking about something interesting, while doing the insanely boring job of hauling your package from his truck to your front door?
OPSEC? Is your house a military base or something?

I must agree with "much ado about nothing".
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Dude, you are reading way too much into it, so don't attack me. I merely gave a description of him and his aloof demeanor to point out that maybe he's not a threat. It was pretty easy to figure that out. :upeyes:
 
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Maybe get more friendly with the delivery guy?
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Not such a bad idea. I might offer him a soda next time, espcially since it's summer and he's sweating all day.
 
No, have any published data to support this?

I worked Sunrise shift for a summer while teaching - this was back when RSR. J&G and others still shipped via UPS Ground. Now I knew who those folks were, because I was into guns at the time. If you weren't, it was just another package. Besides, everything is scanned in so many locations they can tell you who "misdelivered" your package if need be.

Again, way too much paranoia these days - loosen the tin foil hats gentlemen, it really ISN'T that bad outside your door
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Educate yourself, all it takes is paying attention to the news. Here's a 2 second google search with tons of stories of UPS drivers stealing packages. I hear about it here all the time. Along with USPS, FedEX, etc.



UPS Driver, Wife Team Up to Steal Packages, Sell Merchandise on eBay

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013230-504083.html


UPS Worker Accused Of Stealing Packages

http://www.kcra.com/r/22052960/detail.html

UPS worker charged with stealing packages

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/aug/13/ups-driver-charged-stealing-packages/

More.
http://www.google.com/search?q=peop..._gc.r_pw.&fp=999deff09172bf35&biw=779&bih=389
 
As far as the OP, I'd just be polite and ease his fears, and not worry about it. If he reports you for the non crime of buying ammo, I don't see how much could come of it.. It's sort of sad that we even have to worry about this, but I see the stories too about huge overreactions.
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You may find it helpful to read the post before responding. I stated very clearly that my concern is that he may rob me. I ordered the ammo online...with a credit card. I'm not worried about getting caught doing anything. I'm worried about getting robbed by the guy who delivers all the ammo I buy.
 
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