New Executive Actions?

[improperlyaged]

wait, does this ban all "military grade" weapons? Or just ones that America has sold to other countries? Cause mosins are "military grade", so are mausers. As are single shot muskets.

 

[Ash]

The M2 Carbine is just an M1 Carbine with a different trigger pack like the SVT-40 vs. the AVT-40. Many of us own an M1 Carbine that saw life at one time or the other as an M2. There is just no way to tell.

 

[eastbank]

when this was reported on TV they were showing a long row of m-16 looking rifles, BUT NO FULL AUTO,S M-16 RIFLES WERE EVER IMPORTED FOR SALE TO THE GENERAL AMERICAN PUBLIC. EASTBANK.

 

[ford8nr]

I've posted the question to Mr Orest the head of the CMP. I'll share what I hear.

 

[Hacker15E]

Orest has well ready specifically posted that it is not impacting the CMP.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showpost.php?p=906397&postcount=37

From what I read - it has no direct impact on the CMP. Of course others will argue it.

More importantly, CMP does not import any firearms -- they are transferred from the US Army.

Most importantly, in deference to the article in the OP, the CMPs primary purpose is not rifle sales, it is promotion of marksmanship. EVEN IF this EO impacted the CMP's ability to sell rifles, it would not be the "death knell" of the program.

 

[MattShlock]

a) it won't kill the CMP. it only stops their sale of rifles. they might possibly have to seek some additional funding, but it's not like they're dead. they still get income from the matches they host.
b) it's an extremely pathetic last ditch effort to "do something" after he was totally shut down by the voters. he may regret it as half the media will point out that he's done nothing more than stopped antiques that no one ever uses in crimes

Disagree -- almost no-one in the mainstream media will report that truth. They are reporting the talking points -- miltary-grade weapons being kept off the street.

And I for one thank the gods they saved us.

 

[USSR]

That DailyCaller article is so full of factual errors, it's ridiculous. No, as in zero, impact on the CMP.

Don

 

[1goodshot]

So all those guns Obama sold to the drug cartels will not be coming back to the United States.

 

[USSR]

Quote:
That Daily Caller post is a real load of poo. Wonder where he got ANY of his facts?
+1. So many errors in that piece, I don't know where to start.

Don

The problem is, if they weren't sold out before, they certainly are now. Another gov edict driving reactive demand. I bet CMP was completely cleaned out today, regardless of this being misinformation.

Oh Yeah! And, you better believe this will cross over to the continuation of the ammunition and ammo component shortage by keeping up the demand there. I still laugh when I recall all the posts on this site and others that said everything will be back to normal in 6 - 12 months time, because that was what happened in 2009. As I continually point out, during the previous shortage, there was not a concerted effort by the government to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights. We're not in Kansas anymore!

Don

 

[dvdcrr]

I respect CMP efforts in marksmanship. But that program has been unscrupulously pilfered by hobbyists for years, many of whom do little to support marksmanship. They would still have a million rifles in storage if they had limited sales as they should have. And the US should have neutered the M14's and old M16's and made them available thorugh CMP as well. Instead of 1.8 billion rounds of ammo to DHS officers, they should be purchasing it for CMP and getting it to the people at cost. (the real homeland security)

 

[HexHead]

I expect the value of Garands to escalate.

 

[barnbwt]

So, Buckshot Biden spent six months coming up with...this. Is it just me or did they work really hard to take no action with words that sound really scary? The list of guns that fit the criteria and are semi auto is both short, so old as to be totally worn out, and long since imported "fresh" into this country.

I'd be hard pressed to come up with a scary Action that accomplished less. The purpose here was to piss us off while demonstrating Obama can get away with saying anything about legal firearms. The distraction from his Syrian incompetence is probably the goal (not that he's done a good job at that, even)

TCB

 

[NCsmitty]

It's clear that this administration will stoop to new lows to reduce private firearm ownership and the executive orders are only a precursor to the UN Small Arms Treaty that Obama will sign in a few days. The UN treaty, if passed by the Senate, will essentially give the UN control over private ownership of firearms in this country.

America needs to wake up.


NCsmitty

 

[Torian]

I can remember arguing with a few of my Libertarian friends about Obama before he was elected. Their rational is that his record was just a pro gun as Romney's.

My response to them was that there is only one way any home grown Chicago Democrat votes...and I've been more than proved right. Particularly one that was smart enough to avoid major gun control votes prior to gaining the office of the Presidency.

If Obama can bypass Congress anytime with this type of action, what CAN'T he do at this point? Is there any limit to his power?

 

[Fremmer]

So Obama doesn't want law abiding citizens to have those guns, but he's about to bomb Syria without UN and Congressional authorization. Great.

 

[Pilot]

Guess I'll be buying an Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine, instead of an actual G.I. Was hoping those S. Korean carbines would make it back home.

 

[InkEd]

The thing that angerse the most about Obama is that he is FLAT OUT ignores the will of the people. The whole stricter gun control issue should have been dead. The subject couldn't even get enough votes to merely "bring it back up for more debate" in a congress controlled by members of his OWN party! Rather than just accepting the fact that most Americans care more about the poor economy and other issues, Obama carries on his PERSONAL agenda against inanimate objects.

I find it sickening. His over-use of executive order to simply do things he wants to do, when the people and other elected officials have already expressed and solidified opinions to the contrary. President Obama wants to seemingly govern by "King's Decree" rather than suggesting things and allowing congress to represent and reinterate the feelings of the people.

Castro died. Raul isn't exactly a spring chicken. If Obama wants to be "El Presidente" perhaps he should relocate to Cuba or some other country were dictators are the accepted top political office. I am glad he will be gone in 2016.

Just my .02

 

[InkEd]

I love how congress (one controlled by members of his own party, mind you) said that further gun control "isn't even worth bringing up for a vote" but Obama still decideds his own agenda is more important and simply chooses to pass laws "more or less" by "King's Decree." I really find his arrogance and disregard for the will of the people to be gut wrenching. I will be extremely happy when he is out of office.

 

[paramedic70002]

The CMP's inventory is ridiculously low. Go see for yourself.

When will 50 year old M-16s (converted to semi auto only of course) go into the CMP inventory?

Are the Crips and Bloods forming CMP affiliated shooting clubs?

 

[Sam1911]

It's clear that this administration will stoop to new lows to reduce private firearm ownership and the executive orders are only a precursor to the UN Small Arms Treaty that Obama will sign in a few days. The UN treaty, if passed by the Senate, will essentially give the UN control over private ownership of firearms in this country.

Ohhhh, not that crap again!

Treaties cannot supercede .... whatever.

 

[MErl]

Am I correct in thinking that there is absolutely nothing we can do about this?

The import thing is done. Nothing we can do about it except hope the next president changes it.

The NFA change will go through a 90 day comment period. Is there any requirement to act on those comments or is that just a 90day warning of a rule change? Has the official change been released for comment yet? Did the CLEO part show up or did we just get bent over a barrel?

 

[Frank Ettin]

...His over-use of executive order to simply do things he wants to do, when the people and other elected officials have already expressed and solidified opinions to the contrary. President Obama wants to seemingly govern by "King's Decree" rather than suggesting things and allowing congress to represent and reinterate the feelings of the people....

Sigh.

Folks really need to start learning some of the basics about how government works. What may be done by Executive Order is limited.

• An Executive Order must be pursuant to an underlying statute or regulation and be consistent with the underlying statute or regulation, and an Executive Order must be constitutional. Executive Orders are subject to challenge in court.
  
  
• An Executive Order is not law.
  
  
• An Executive Order is a statement of policy and instruction from the President, as the senior manager of the Executive Branch, to the organizational units that report to him. The scope, extent and application of an Executive Order is limited by the the underlying statute to which it refers. The Executive Order can not change the statute.

We talked about the legal issues associated with executive orders in this thread, this thread, this thread, and this thread.

Here's a good article helping to add some rationality to the discussion. Note that law professor Adam Winkler is quoted in the article as stating :

...His [Obama's] options are limited," Adam Winkler, constitutional scholar at the UCLA School of Law, said by phone Friday. "He can seek to better enforce existing federal law, but he can't act contrary to existing federal law....

 

[16in50calNavalRifle]

Frank, I know here we are focused on some specific misunderstandings about EOs as they relate to the ATF or State re firearms imports, but to make a tiny OT footnote to the statement about changing a statute .....

In the case of immigration law and the new health care financing debacle, as of this moment the president can, in effect, change a statute. There is no other way to describe those two situations (and they're not the only ones in the last 5 years).

While at first glance it appears this new EO will have little effect on anything in the real world (if the specific language about which firearms being imported means what it says), it seems appropriate to add context to your understandable weariness with many who don't know the basic mechanisms of our government (well, as they were, at least).

It's not comfortable or popular among those toiling in those fields to acknowledge, but lawlessness from above on a broad level is now a very real problem in US government.

 

[USSR]

When will 50 year old M-16s (converted to semi auto only of course) go into the CMP inventory?

The same time as M14 rifles and M2 Carbines go into their inventory - Never! Once a machinegun, always a machinegun (regardless of being converted to semi-auto).

Don

 

[Robert101]

Its amazing how we go from the CMP is doomed to no, this will not affect the CMP.