New York Senate passes increased assault weapons ban
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Redlg155
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From what I understand is that certain infractions are a misdeameanor offense, no doubt set to eliminate thaf harshness of a "felony" conviction and losing gun rights. However, you don't have to be convicted of a felony to lose your rights. Misd. domestic violence convictions are a prime example.
I wonder if NY State will now take more gun rights if convicted of a misdemeanor gun related offensese.
I wonder if NY State will now take more gun rights if convicted of a misdemeanor gun related offensese.
steveracer
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Goldie, I see your point, but this is the purpose: Make guns illegal. Period.
steveracer
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Killian, WHO CARES? They are making an open attempt at making YOUR GUNS illegal. This isn't subterfuge.
True. But in terms of how much resistance the Antis could expect, a felony punishment will end up getting some church minister with 4 kids who has never been in trouble with the law on the nightly news, possibly national news. Whereas the same guy who has to pay a $1000 fine and do community service for 60 hours probably wouldn't rate a 2 sentence mention in the local paper. So you get the same effect as an Anti without generating as much resistance. And after a few years when it doesn't diminish crime you can argue that enforcement and registration needs to be more extreme etc etc ad nauseum.
If you are a gun grabber, you care. Because you will meet less resistance in getting your laws passed--and upheld--if you aren't seen to be heavy handed. Plus which it gives the same effect without generating resistance. How many people want to hold on to their 20 magazines if they know each one could end up costing them $1000 and 3 months in jail? Most gun owners I've met are honest people. If this is the law, they'll comply. It's an infringement of their 2A rights, I'm completely agree. But until it is overturned, it is the law in NY. Better to debate the issue now and have some idea of what is coming than to get blindsided. A felony is a big difference for both the people who are trying to get this stupid law passed, but also for the people who would suffer the consequences if convicted under this law. It's a very important issue.
Incorrect.
The law proposed states that if the rifle has a CAPACITY to accept a high capacity magazine, it is an assault rifle.
It says NOTHING about actually inserting a magazine in to the weapon. If there IS a high capacity magazine for that rifle, and it will FIT in that rifle, it qualifies.
EDIT: Actually I might be incorrect.
Looking through it again. I swear last night I read that it just had to have the ability to accept a high capacity feeding device.
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gun addict
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did i just hear some a--hat say that the gun owners he talked to all want "one gun with one bullets?" Seriously? What is this, saturday night live?
A perfect example for why, if guns are the evil agents of destruction, that even the police should be limited to 7 rounds in NY. Less innocent bystanders hit by stray gunfire. Please send this information over to the various police unions and let them know how much safer the legislature is making both them and the public.
Trent...ahhhh...thank you for the clarification.
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I withdraw my thanks and shun you as a leper.
What's unclear at this point is the definition of
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
It's arguable that this could be the forestock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forearm_(firearm_component)
"In firearms, the forearm (also known as handguard or forestock) is a section of the weapon between the receiver and the muzzle. It is used to hold the firearm steady and is usually made out of wood or composite material. "
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Any shotgun which can take a detachable magazine, or pistol grip, is banned.
This is also unclear.
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
A handgrip *OR* a protruding grip. By the reading of this one can infer there are two types of grips - one which protrudes, and one which does NOT.
Any shotgun which can take a detachable magazine, or pistol grip, is banned.
This is also unclear.
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
A handgrip *OR* a protruding grip. By the reading of this one can infer there are two types of grips - one which protrudes, and one which does NOT.
steveracer
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Federal Peaceable Journey Law would apply. You would have to follow the basic rules in accordance with that law.
Maine, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island gun owners should be very angry with New York right now.
When this passes can no longer receive firearms, ammunition, or many firearm parts via ground transportation. All materials will have to be airlifted in to those 6 states.
When this passes can no longer receive firearms, ammunition, or many firearm parts via ground transportation. All materials will have to be airlifted in to those 6 states.
Matthew Temkin
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Here is one N.Y.S. Senator who voted NO
http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/01/15/senator-greg-ball-of-ny-on-the-gun-sellout/
http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/01/15/senator-greg-ball-of-ny-on-the-gun-sellout/
Are you sure about this?
By my understanding that protects PRIVATE individuals. Not shipping companies.
There's no confiscation provisions in this bill.
Heard it repeated over, and over, and over again.
What happens when you die?
Confiscated.
This sets an expiration date on the second amendment in New York (lifespan of current owners)
Heard it repeated over, and over, and over again.
What happens when you die?
Confiscated.
This sets an expiration date on the second amendment in New York (lifespan of current owners)
Cosmoline
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No. There is no NY border patrol with fences and checkpoints. NY does not get to block mail through its borders en route to the other states. Canada does it to us, but Canada is a separate nation. NY ain't. It has no authority to block interstate transit through its territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormant_Commerce_Clause
I assume you mean the ITALIAN who pushed this law through. My people came through NYC speaking little or no English and couldn't get out of that hell hole fast enough and into free country out west. It's not the immigrants who ruined NY, it's the elites who've dominated the state and city since the days of Tammany.
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