No Country for Old Men -- Shotgun with muzzle can

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A search didn't turn up anything regarding the muzzle-mounted silencer for the shotgun in No Country for Old Men.

Does Hollywood really think we'll believe a 2" by 6" muzzle can (basically .22 rimfire specs) will quiet down a 12 gauge? Based on the diameter of the outer end of the can, it really does look like a .22 can.

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I think I'm gonna have to see that flick...

That hole looks more like a .410...

What I'd worry about with a canned shotgun is wad getting caught. I suppose one could drill a bunch of small holes, etc, but you couldn't use a standard baffling system. FWIW, you also shouldn't shoot sabot rounds out of most rifles with a suppressor or muzzle brake.
 
Well, ....... at least it proves what Hollywood thinks about people willing to spend that much money to see moving images that have no basis in reality. :rolleyes:

They think us to be brain dead teenagers. :p
 
Movie made it look like buckshot.

It wasn't a bad movie, sort of odd, and there are a couple of gun related moments that made me want to call out "BS!"

But there's one thing for sure. Once the bad guys are hunting you down, you should not leave the gun store with just a shotgun and a handful of shells.

In his situation, if I had made it to a gun store, I would have had a couple of combat handguns, a magazine fed rifle, and the shotgun. Ammo and magazines as appropriate. Body armor. Night vision binoculars and scopes. Food. Water. Shelter. The I would have headed out to the high country and let them come find me with a hillside at my back. I mean, come on, he had 2 million dollars in cash, what was he scrimping for? And he already knew that he had a Mexican drug cartel looking for him, not to mention the crazy assassin with the silenced shotgun.:what:
 
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Most shotguns, on the other hand, require modifications to barrel, like gas flow ports. Acceptable shotgun silencing effect is possible with subsonic ammo only because of the loud sonic crack of regular supersonic shotgun ammo.

The Shotgun Reflex Suppressors have a perforated barrel extension tube inside its body (photo above) running all the way through it, which will keep both shot and slugs from colliding suppressor elements. Although the tube is unchoked, the perforations perform the same effect as a choke by braking outer shots, making the suppressor about equal to a 3/4 choke with shots.

The limitations with suppressing shotguns are: 1 - With standard supersonic ammo the flight noise of shot is so high, that the suppressed noise is only 5 - 6 dB lower than as unsuppressed. If one gets or can load subsonic ammo, the noise reduction is quite enough for effective hearing protection. 2 - Only single barrel shotguns can be suppressed with reasonable amount of work. 3 - Suppressor affects balance and sight line of the shotgun.
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I think there was a thread on this earlier as well.
 
For the life of me, I didn't think that was supposed to be a shotgun. It'd been described as a pneumatic air rifle, akin to what is used in a slaughterhouse, but your picture points out it is different.

Of course, that COULD be a pump action Remington RIFLE, either .223 or .308, cut down. And that's NOT a 2 inch diameter. Maybe a 2 inch radius, but I'm thinking 6 inch diameter and closer to nine or ten inches.
 
For the life of me, I didn't think that was supposed to be a shotgun. It'd been described as a pneumatic air rifle, akin to what is used in a slaughterhouse, but your picture points out it is different.
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That would be this:

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And that's NOT a 2 inch diameter. Maybe a 2 inch radius, but I'm thinking 6 inch diameter and closer to nine or ten inches.
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There's no way it's 6" diameter. I'll put it at 3", no more than 3.5". My experience with PVC pipe (lots of potato gun fun, finding out what'll fit in where) tells me that it looks about the same as 2.5" PVC (OD: 2.875"). You can fit a balled up fist into 4"... and that can's definitely not bigger than that.
 
Technical gunnery flaws aside, NCFOM is a really great chase movie where the guns are matter of factly treated as simply the tools of their owners.

In the hands of lesser film makers, there'd have been plenty of opportunity to slam machinegun ownership or even attempting self defense with firearms. That the movie plays gun violence rather straight up as a fact of life in the drug business should excuse the prop master's ridiculously small can.

For fans of Cormac McCarthy, who wrote the novel upon which the Best Pic 2007 was based, The Road, a philosophical SHTF action thriller, is in production starring Viggo Mortensen, and Blood Meridian, the tale of epic savagery on the Mexican frontier in the 1850s, is in preproduction with director Ridley Scott heading it up.
 
Hmmm...not sure how any movie (and I like Viggo Mortensen) can do justice to "The Road." One of the most chilling books I have ever read. It certainly makes you toss out 99% of your SHTF fantasy scenarios!
 
Does Hollywood really think we'll believe a 2" by 6" muzzle can (basically .22 rimfire specs) will quiet down a 12 gauge?
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I just checked the OD of a 12 gauge Benelli barrel, it came out to 0.904".

My .22 suppressor has an OD of about 1.085". A .22 suppressor stuck on the end of a shotgun barrel would barely be distinguishable from the barrel itself.

That can in the picture is much bigger than a .22 can, and don't forget that volume of a cylinder increases by the radius squared. I'd also guesstimate that it is closer to 3" than 2", but I'll trust NeoSpud with the 2.875" guess. If so, that is much larger still than a 1" .22 can.

Gemtech's .308 rifle suppressor, while 8.25" in length, is only 1.5" in diameter.

While I have no idea what it would sound like and have zero experience with suppressed shotguns, I'd guess that, volume wise, that suppressor in the movie is probably pretty close to ideal size. Tromix has one that appears to be longer and thinner but I can't find the specs on it.
 
In the book the silencer is much bigger.
In the movie they probably limited the size because it looks better.
Each particle roughly expands to about 3000 times its size,
so look at it that way, and think about how big it would have to be to contain all the exhaust gases.
It would look plain stupid on screen.
It was a good movie.

and again,
willing suspension of disbelief, temporarily,
and just enjoy the damn movie, is that hard?
 
I thought the movie did the book justice. I might have been left with a couple of un answered questions (movie) but not a big empty feeling like with "hitman"

On a side note. I alway thought Tom Hanks would make the perfect "dad" from "the road". There are plenty of "tough guys" that i.e. like Viggo being one of them, but the dad is first a loving and concerned father, the ninja aspect comes out in him only after he exhausts other options. JMHO
 
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Of course, that COULD be a pump action Remington RIFLE, either .223 or .308, cut down. And that's NOT a 2 inch diameter. Maybe a 2 inch radius, but I'm thinking 6 inch diameter and closer to nine or ten inches.
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I did a 3-D geometric analysis of the picture and come up with a "can" diameter of 3.2" & a length of almost 7".
As far as being a Rem. rifle.... have you ever seen a vent-rib on any rifle?
 
Viggo may come across as a tough guy, but at least he has some acting chops as far as tough guys go. I can easily see Viggo playing the father in The Road because he can do tender and tough with equal facility. He's worked extensively with animals, so he should be fine with a child actor.:D
 
Viggo may come across as a tough guy, but at least he has some acting chops as far as tough guys go. I can easily see Viggo playing the father in The Road because he can do tender and tough with equal facility. He's worked extensively with animals, so he should be fine with a child actor.
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You are right. I guess Viggo did go from loving to ninja in "a History of Violence". I like Viggo too, I Think I am just partial to Hanks b/c when my wife and I read the book Tom Hanks was the first actor to come to our minds when we discussed the possibility of it being made into a film.
Let's hope they don't slaughter the story I think there is such a good message to the book. I wonder if they will have the baby eaters in the movie?

On the silencer. It is just movie physics plain and simple. At least I didn't notice any 25 shot 1911's :)
 
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