NO GUNS SIGNS (Illinois)

[rugerman07]

To date the ISP has issued more than 12,000 CCL's. I live in Southern Illinois and have been watching to see when and where the "NO GUNS SIGNS", start popping up in local business'. So far, I haven't seen any, not one!

 

[BluesDancer]

Oh yeah..definitely signs up in Cook County. Local watering hole in town, library, my place of work. It goes without saying that many of these places are mentioned in the law as no-gun places, sign or no sign - but it still ticks me off.

One good thing though - last time I checked - my local movie theater has a 'no weapons allowed' sign that clearly does not comply with the sign attributes defined by the new law. I consider that a good thing because the sign does not carry legal weight, therefore even if the theater finds out I am carrying, the most they can do is ask me to leave under threat of arrest for trespassing, as opposed to an automatic arrest + class B misdemeanor.

I honestly don't think any sign like that should carry the legal weight that this law gives it, personally

Remember, glass half full...(it's hard sometimes).

 

[Trent]

The only signs in my town are at the school and library.

(guess the local bars sell >50% food.. lol)

(EDIT: I think bars should do "here's your $3 bowl of pretzels and your free whiskey." Would that work?)

 

[jutinlee]

I've seen a few but the only one that caught me off guard was the investigation place where I did my fingerprints live scan or whatever its called.
That was in Centralia, Il. I won't name the place bc they were good guys and I respect their place but its not hard to figure out if you try lol.
Where do you call home rugerman?

 

[Sniper66]

Just an FYI. I recently visited Nashville and did not see a single no gun sign. those Tennessee folks have the right idea. Unlike liberal Lawrence, KS that has them everywhere.

 

[zdc1775]

(EDIT: I think bars should do "here's your $3 bowl of pretzels and your free whiskey." Would that work?)

I don't know if it would work but if you ever open a bar give it a try and let us know how that works out.

On a more serious note I'm glad you guys finally got some form of carry legalized up there but hate hearing all of the pitfalls that were written into the law.

 

[Twiki357]

Just wait until the next high profile shooting, they’ll start popping up like weeds.

 

[Red Wind]

The only signs in my town are at the school and library.

Odd that a library would have a no gun sign. I can't think of a softer target. Other than the school of course.

But these are early days for Illinois. Florida had its bumps for sure when we first got concealed carry in 1987.

 

[lilguy]

My hospital has one stating its ban covers their "property". Doctors office buildings on grounds not posted. My local bank not posted, neither is the small
town mall we frequent.

 

[vamo]

It goes without saying that many of these places are mentioned in the law as no-gun places, sign or no sign - but it still ticks me off.

Better to have a unnecessary sign than an accidental violation.

 

[Strahley]

Just an FYI. I recently visited Nashville and did not see a single no gun sign. those Tennessee folks have the right idea. Unlike liberal Lawrence, KS that has them everywhere.

Don't worry, most of them probably have zero force of law anyway. Most of the (very few that are even around) ones here in the Manhattan/JC/Fort Riley area do either

 

[Backroad]

I've seen two: One at the Naperville Library, and one at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Both have been there forever.

Al

 

[Trent]

Odd that a library would have a no gun sign. I can't think of a softer target. Other than the school of course.

But these are early days for Illinois. Florida had its bumps for sure when we first got concealed carry in 1987.

Libraries are REQUIRED to post, by Illinois statute.

So are museums, amusement parks, zoos, etc.

I sent two letters tonight. This week no gun signs started popping up in our little farm town.

Casey's General store posted - letter being taken to them tomorrow telling them we'll no longer frequent their establishment, and I sent the same to corporate tonight via website.

And our local family pharmacy posted, sent an e-mail saying we won't be going there anymore.

The penultimate showdown is with my bank, on Friday. I'm pulling close to 1 million in commercial loans and deposits out, if they don't scrape the sign off.

 

[Mousegun]

Just an FYI. I recently visited Nashville and did not see a single no gun sign. those Tennessee folks have the right idea. Unlike liberal Lawrence, KS that has them everywhere.

You must not have been looking too hard. They are all over.

 

[Doc7]

Trent,

Good luck with the bank decision, sounds like you will have a serious impact on their business and probably carry some weight around the community I'm guessing so you might have a few chances to make big changes!

Given that the bank is the "penultimate" showdown...who is the last/ultimate showdown with? (being cheeky)

 

[Trent]

Doc7 - it'll involve a misdemeanor violation in a public park to challenge some of the statutes.

Still working on the approach with the Sheriff and States Attorney. And arguing with my wife about which one of us is going to jail so we can protect our children in public.

The 7th was clear that the state cannot deny our right to defend ourselves in PUBLIC under strict scrutiny; there is nothing more public than a public park...

(Note that I also hike.. fish.. hunt.. camp.. jog.. and so on... that particular prohibition affects my entire family and our lifestyle.)

 

[Strahley]

Good for you Trent, let us know how it goes. We've managed to get a few signs here removed over the years by doing the same

 

[Red Wind]

Libraries are REQUIRED to post, by Illinois statute.

Ah, thank you,Trent. I was not aware of that. Many states that have gone shall issue since the late 1980's originally listed libraries as OL. Most have dropped the requirement. I believe in time, Illinois will see the light and drop it also.

 

[Elvis1]

I was downtown on Tuesday, saw a lot of signs on doors. Here in the north burbs, and by my office in the west burbs, I haven't seen a sign.

 

[HexHead]

Just an FYI. I recently visited Nashville and did not see a single no gun sign. those Tennessee folks have the right idea. Unlike liberal Lawrence, KS that has them everywhere.

It's just that they're easy to miss in Nashville. Just a small "gunbuster" decal, like those "no smoking" ones, carry the weight of law and a Class C misdemeanor with a $500 fine if you pass one. There's an organization run by a Vanderbilt professor that gets volunteers to pressure businesses and especially restaurants to post. Nashville's mayor is pressuring state legislators to keep the ability to ban guns in local parks and greenways, ever though they are legal in state parks. For instance, in Nashville, you can carry at Radnor Lake or at Bicentennial Park, but not at Centennial Park or when walking the greenways along the river. Don't kid yourself about how "gun friendly" TN is. We're mediocre at best here.

 

[Red Wind]

There's an organization run by a Vanderbilt professor that gets volunteers to pressure businesses and especially restaurants to post

Vanderbilt! No big surprise there. And the State Capitol Building in Nashville is like a forbidding fortress. Guards, metal detectors. I'll never go there again.

Contrast that to the Capitol Buildings of New Mexico (Santa Fe) and Washington State (Olympia). No guards, no metal detectors, just walk right in carrying, if you've got the proper credentials. Indiana was that way when I visited the Capitol in Indy in 2005. Not sure if that is the case there anymore.

 

[Trent]

HexHead -

Our signs in IL are 4x6", carry force of law.

(e) Except as otherwise provided, a licensee in violation of this Act shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation is a Class A misdemeanor. The Department may suspend a license for up to 6 months for a second violation and shall permanently revoke a license for 3 or more violations of Section 65 of this Act. Any person convicted of a violation under this Section shall pay a $150 fee to be deposited into the Mental Health Reporting Fund, plus any applicable court costs or fees.

 

[Trent]

I believe in time, Illinois will see the light and drop it also.

As a lifelong Illinois resident, I wouldn't hold my breath.

The Speaker of the House is anti-gun.. the Senate majority leader is anti-gun.. the Governor is anti-gun.. the State's Attorney is anti-gun...

The only reason we got concealed carry was Posner (7th Federal District) basically held them over a fire and said (paraphrasing) "make a new law for them to carry, or EVERYONE can carry."

They rushed the piece of crap bill we have through at the last minute before we went "constitutional carry".

And just to emphasize their displeasure at doing so, they threw in universal background checks, mandatory lost & stolen reporting, a new "clear and present danger" mental health reporting (which costs you gun rights without a trial, if you are accused of being a danger by a "health professional" or school staff member - all anonymously of course.)

Oh, and the "48 hour to turn in your FOID card and firearms upon a revocation or we beat your door down with SWAT team" provisions.

I envision that one, in particular, going horribly wrong someday.

 

[Sniper66]

That's why I like this site. I learn a lot, including the fact that Nashville is not quite as gun friendly as I had thought. Kansas passed a law that prevents local municipalities from passing guns laws that attempt to usurp state law. They can put up signs, but they are mostly useless. Just keep in mind that we must battle constantly against the lunacy of antigun activity. The organization from which I just retired launched a foolish antigun campaign until I raised hell and they backed off. Not sure what they did after I retired.

 

[zdc1775]

To those who think that Tennessee is carry friendly, I live about two miles from the state line in Alabama and the only time that either my wife or I have ever had to disarm while carrying is in Tennessee. A simple day trip for us turned into me violating the law twice because I couldn't see the sign until I was leaving the building, posted on the wall next to the door facing the seating area of a restraunt and gas station with the sign behind the counter and I was looking for them, and us having to leave our guns in the cars multiple times while we went to do something. It is closer for us to go into Tennessee to do any shopping but we refuse to simply because of the fact that it too easy to run afoul of the law. It sounds like Illinois is worse.