New to the forum. Like what I see. Slightly related to "utterly reliable", I just bought a used springfield P9. First time at the range today only 100 rounds. The safety jumps on several times and the long barrel and slide don't seat rounds all the way or always eject the spent casing. The standard barrel was flawless and accurate except the safety. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I don't plan to carry this one what with the ported long slide and aim point scope, but I would like it to work if I needed it to. Thanks.
No such thing as "utterly reliable".....is there?
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Try the USP 45
Mine has gone over 9000 rounds with only one failure. It was from a bad case of wolf. The case was so bad that wolf paid for the whole case to be shipped back to them. I have full faith that when I pull the trigger on my USP it will go bang.
Guns, like cars or any other mechanical devise require maintenance. This should not be counted against it.
Mine has gone over 9000 rounds with only one failure. It was from a bad case of wolf. The case was so bad that wolf paid for the whole case to be shipped back to them. I have full faith that when I pull the trigger on my USP it will go bang.
Guns, like cars or any other mechanical devise require maintenance. This should not be counted against it.
New to the forum. Like what I see. Slightly related to "utterly reliable", I just bought a used springfield P9. First time at the range today only 100 rounds. The safety jumps on several times and the long barrel and slide don't seat rounds all the way or always eject the spent casing. The standard barrel was flawless and accurate except the safety. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I don't plan to carry this one what with the ported long slide and aim point scope, but I would like it to work if I needed it to. Thanks.
MarshallDodge
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Glock 
They do run well and I would consider them very reliable but they have issues as well. We had a pin shoot last night and there were three Glock malfunctions. I know that one was a failure to pickup the second round off the mag and the other was a misfeed of Winchester white box. I did not see why the other one failed.
These guns were probably not stock either.
Your best bet is probably a single shot or revolver.
They do run well and I would consider them very reliable but they have issues as well. We had a pin shoot last night and there were three Glock malfunctions. I know that one was a failure to pickup the second round off the mag and the other was a misfeed of Winchester white box. I did not see why the other one failed.
These guns were probably not stock either.
Your best bet is probably a single shot or revolver.
Don't kid yourself, a revolver can certainly jam. I've seen it. Rare but it DOES happen. The worst sort is an extruded primer on a cartridge case that hangs up in the back plate as the cylinder turns. That one happens and it'll take a gunsmith to detail strip and clear it before it can be used.
I also once had a S&W M19 that had an improperly milled ejector rod shroud and at a certain point on the revolution of the cylinder it would HANG if I tried to open the cylinder there. Drove me nuts for weeks until I figured it out. Both of these are extremely rare.
However not so rare is a catastrophic failure due to shaving lead in cheaper revolvers.
A long time ago in a far away galaxy, I ran an indoor gun range. Guy comes in with a range slip and I set him up on a lane. Thank goodness the range was empty because I was watching when he set up his handgun to fire: He pulls an OLD POS RG or maybe it was an old FIE revolver. .38 IIRC. He squeezes off about two rounds, then decides to swap loads. Opens the cylinder, shuffles the ammo and (I swear) he snaps the cylinder back inside the frame with a flip of his wrist. Just like the movies. I knew I had to keep an eye on him.
He went two more rounds until the third went half out one of the cylinder openings and the other down the barrel. The back pressure blew the cylinder and top strap apart. There was a lot of blood. I called 911 and got the bleeding stopped with a hasty sort of compound bandage I rigged up. I saw the gun. I didn't really want to see what was left of his hand. I rather hoped he was ambidextrous.
Yes, revolvers CAN jam and they CAN fail!
I also once had a S&W M19 that had an improperly milled ejector rod shroud and at a certain point on the revolution of the cylinder it would HANG if I tried to open the cylinder there. Drove me nuts for weeks until I figured it out. Both of these are extremely rare.
However not so rare is a catastrophic failure due to shaving lead in cheaper revolvers.
A long time ago in a far away galaxy, I ran an indoor gun range. Guy comes in with a range slip and I set him up on a lane. Thank goodness the range was empty because I was watching when he set up his handgun to fire: He pulls an OLD POS RG or maybe it was an old FIE revolver. .38 IIRC. He squeezes off about two rounds, then decides to swap loads. Opens the cylinder, shuffles the ammo and (I swear) he snaps the cylinder back inside the frame with a flip of his wrist. Just like the movies. I knew I had to keep an eye on him.
He went two more rounds until the third went half out one of the cylinder openings and the other down the barrel. The back pressure blew the cylinder and top strap apart. There was a lot of blood. I called 911 and got the bleeding stopped with a hasty sort of compound bandage I rigged up. I saw the gun. I didn't really want to see what was left of his hand. I rather hoped he was ambidextrous.
Yes, revolvers CAN jam and they CAN fail!
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tnieto2004
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I thought that is why they made Glocks?
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Hunter0924 said:
No, but it's about as close as you're going to get to 'utterly reliable'.USP 45 full size 100% Reliable
My best buddy retired from Special Forces as a senior Lieutenant Colonel (05). He recommended the USP full size 45 as that utterly reliable gun. The one HE'D choose if ever he had to take a sidearm directly from the box and into combat. On the strength of that recommendation I bought one and indeed it's gone a couple thousand rounds inside of the single year I've had it thus far. NO JAMS. ZERO. My single complaint is that the grip is too big for my smallish hands. So, I'm selling it with 3 Hi-Cap mags, night sights, two holsters (Galco and Blade Tech) and the original box. Price? $700 + buyer pays all shipping and transfer fees. This is a bargain. I'd prefer to meet just outside of Miami Dade County unless I'm shipping out of state.
My best buddy retired from Special Forces as a senior Lieutenant Colonel (05). He recommended the USP full size 45 as that utterly reliable gun. The one HE'D choose if ever he had to take a sidearm directly from the box and into combat. On the strength of that recommendation I bought one and indeed it's gone a couple thousand rounds inside of the single year I've had it thus far. NO JAMS. ZERO. My single complaint is that the grip is too big for my smallish hands. So, I'm selling it with 3 Hi-Cap mags, night sights, two holsters (Galco and Blade Tech) and the original box. Price? $700 + buyer pays all shipping and transfer fees. This is a bargain. I'd prefer to meet just outside of Miami Dade County unless I'm shipping out of state.
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I've had a revolver fail me before. And the jam was such that it took a couple of minutes to clear. The revolver was a Ruger Police Service Six, which is about as indestructible as a revolver can get. We were shooting in a sandy environment and during a reload, some dirt got under the extractor star. I didn't know this until I slammed the cylinder shut and tried to squeeze another .357 round towards a steel target. The whole thing was locked up, tight as a drum. It took some careful banging on the cylinder (remember the gun was full of live ammo) and some choice language, before I got it open again and diagnosed the problem. BTW, figuring it out also took a little while, since the extractor star wasn't seated fully only by a tiny bit, maybe less than a millimeter.
Had it been in a fight, I would've had to throw the damn thing at the other guy.
Mechanical devices can and do fail. Even the most reliable ones have their breaking point or weakness. Personally, the malfunction with the Ruger was the worst failure I've ever experienced with a handgun. It was no fault of the revolver, but it happened. I carry a semi-auto, that's been 100% since day one and is known for its ruggedness and reliability. Still, when I can, I carry a BUG. "The best spare part, is a spare piece."
Not completely off topic; just a different take: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
The physics of things... Food for thought.
Enjoy,
SDJ
The physics of things... Food for thought.
Enjoy,
SDJ
SnakeEater
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I don't speak fluent German, but I do know that "utterly reliable" is pronounced Heckler and Koch.
doc2rn
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I think this is why I carry at least 2 at all times. Also at 4500 rounds since I bought my G32 is still 100% reliable, as is my Ruger MkI but I am picky about ammo.
10-Ring
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The only hiccups I've had w/ my Berettas, Glocks, HKs or 1911s have been OE (operator error) So, in my way of thinking, these guns have been "utterly reliable"
So, in my way of thinking, these guns have been "utterly reliable" sigma 40ve
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Biggest POS I ever owned was a revolver--SW model 10.
The most reliable for me so far has been my Glock 22. Bought it used as LE trade in from AIM. Thousands of rds later no problems. If I had to grab one for serious use, my G22 is the one.
The most reliable for me so far has been my Glock 22. Bought it used as LE trade in from AIM. Thousands of rds later no problems. If I had to grab one for serious use, my G22 is the one.
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Already did it...
2ndamd
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Seems like people are little defensive here but, the revolver is your utterly reliable handgun.
Just a fact; not a slam on the auto.
Just a fact; not a slam on the auto.
76shuvlinoff
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A weapon that shoots 3 or 4 and fails is better than no weapon. Think about it. You can kid yourself but in the pursuit of "perfection" are you really ever going to KNOW if you possess it?
It's gonna fail, know what to do when it does.
It's gonna fail, know what to do when it does.
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I may get yelled at here but, anyway....
I have 2 CZ 52s. One is a regular military issue and the other is a chromed one from Classic Arms. When I got the chromed one, I re-dinged one of the pins & replaced the pin that holds the lever that holds the slide back (when the magazine is empty) with a grade 8 cap nut and allen bolt. I put a tiny washer under the hammer spring as a spacer to make it hit harder as the surplus ammo sometimes has stubborn primers. I also bought a Harrington firing pin kit for it. After this little bit of tweaking at a total cost $260 for both gun and parts, it has never failed to fire once while I've gone through quite a few cans of Romanian surplus (1224 rounds each) and a few boxes of Wolf hollowpoints. No matter how fast or slow I go through my 4 magazines, it's been a dream. The as-issued military finish pistol has the hammer spring-washer-spacer deal also but no other tweaks and that has fired perfectly, too. They're clunky, quirky, old pistols but they've been as rock solid as can be. Since I modified them a bit, I don't know if these would qualify here. But, they're ridiculously simple and dependable. And, the 7.62X25 is a great round; I wish someone would make some new guns in that caliber.
I have a 2006 Ford van with a 7 year bumper-bumper warranty but, if I had to depend on a vehicle for my life, I'd go with my other one, a '62 slant six Valiant. That thing will run on kerosene. I trust crude, knockabout, loose tolerance simplicity over glitzy, gratuitous features any time. Every time I go to the range with my buddies, my CZ keeps banging away without fail while others occasionally have to fumble with whatever they've brought. And, once you get used to the sights, you can get some remarkable accuracy. My only semi-autos are these CZs. I recently bought 2 revolvers, a pre-war M&P and a newer Model 67 and am overjoyed with them as well. Sometimes, it seems as if manufacturers add a feature or change just to justify selling us another, newer version, whether it be a car, a TV or a gun. I like simple. Like the guy above said, even though the space shuttle is gone over with a microscope 100 times over, it still malfunctions. There are just so many parts with such tight tolerances and all of it has to be perfect. I like things that still work when they're not perfect anymore. To the THR creator, thank you for providing a place to vent a little.
I have 2 CZ 52s. One is a regular military issue and the other is a chromed one from Classic Arms. When I got the chromed one, I re-dinged one of the pins & replaced the pin that holds the lever that holds the slide back (when the magazine is empty) with a grade 8 cap nut and allen bolt. I put a tiny washer under the hammer spring as a spacer to make it hit harder as the surplus ammo sometimes has stubborn primers. I also bought a Harrington firing pin kit for it. After this little bit of tweaking at a total cost $260 for both gun and parts, it has never failed to fire once while I've gone through quite a few cans of Romanian surplus (1224 rounds each) and a few boxes of Wolf hollowpoints. No matter how fast or slow I go through my 4 magazines, it's been a dream. The as-issued military finish pistol has the hammer spring-washer-spacer deal also but no other tweaks and that has fired perfectly, too. They're clunky, quirky, old pistols but they've been as rock solid as can be. Since I modified them a bit, I don't know if these would qualify here. But, they're ridiculously simple and dependable. And, the 7.62X25 is a great round; I wish someone would make some new guns in that caliber.
I have a 2006 Ford van with a 7 year bumper-bumper warranty but, if I had to depend on a vehicle for my life, I'd go with my other one, a '62 slant six Valiant. That thing will run on kerosene. I trust crude, knockabout, loose tolerance simplicity over glitzy, gratuitous features any time. Every time I go to the range with my buddies, my CZ keeps banging away without fail while others occasionally have to fumble with whatever they've brought. And, once you get used to the sights, you can get some remarkable accuracy. My only semi-autos are these CZs. I recently bought 2 revolvers, a pre-war M&P and a newer Model 67 and am overjoyed with them as well. Sometimes, it seems as if manufacturers add a feature or change just to justify selling us another, newer version, whether it be a car, a TV or a gun. I like simple. Like the guy above said, even though the space shuttle is gone over with a microscope 100 times over, it still malfunctions. There are just so many parts with such tight tolerances and all of it has to be perfect. I like things that still work when they're not perfect anymore. To the THR creator, thank you for providing a place to vent a little.
tinroad37e
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You must keep the Glock factory stock. Do not change anything, but the sights. I've personnally seen guys change recoil spring assemblies and barrels and have FTF and FTE problems on a common basis. They changed everything back to factory parts and now have no problems.
I've had a malfunction in every Glock I have owned, but luckily they all occured within the first couple clips. After two or three clips, no problems whatsoever.
I've had a malfunction in every Glock I have owned, but luckily they all occured within the first couple clips. After two or three clips, no problems whatsoever.
jimmyraythomason
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A fail proof anything DOES NOT exist! Just because a firearm of any description hasn't malfunctioned YET is not proof that it won't. Revolvers,auto-loaders and even single shots experience failures,broken springs,wear of contact points etc. There is No such thing as a faultless mechanical device,use it enough and it WILL break.
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Planning for a failure means you always have a backup. This could be another backup firearm, a knife (what I use), a steel pipe, baseball bat. Almost anything can be used as an effective weapon if you can surprise someone with it.
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