NOLA and California highway patrol

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I'd really like to see you do the one with the senior citizen woman, Oleg.
And then we have to make sure it gets to the CHP and others.

If I remember correctly, it was a Bay Area news crew following CHP officers from the East Bay (trying to get that local angle) in NOLA that ended up filming that famous scene.
 
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How about:

California Highway patrol illegally disarmed people already threatened by looters and gators.

I think that makes the point, and does away with the "lawful people" in the original that seems a bit clumsy.
 
Stainless Chili said:
Who actually gave the order for CHP to seize weapons from residents of another state?

Can anyone confirm where, exactly, these CHP officers came from?

What I'm hearing, generally, is that older guys would refuse to disarm citizens; there is the Constitution to uphold, and all that.

Thank you for pointing that out.

I believe the 'officers' were recently graduated cadets, but I'm not completely certain.

Though, I am disgusted with the poster. Grudgingly, I must agree. CHP just had another officer murdered on a traffic stop yesterday. I only hope that people do not start gunning the 99% of officers who had nothing to do with New Orleans.
 
Could someone please point me to the video if it is on the net of this incident?

Nice picture Oleg, your casting decisions are great in that the model is attractive but not overly eroticized as some firearms posters are want to show, she looks competent!
 
M-Rex said:
CHP just had another officer murdered on a traffic stop yesterday. I only hope that people do not start gunning the 99% of officers who had nothing to do with New Orleans.

Hopefully no one takes this poster to mean that they should kill or in any way harm someone who has anything to do with law enforcement or the CHP.
 
I deliberately made no statements to the effect of holding all of CHP responsible. The lessons, as I see them, are:

- do not trust such organizations, plan against the possibility of rogue actions by them (conceal well around them, have backup guns)

- do not take their side by default if they meet resistance while performing such confiscations, give their opponents the benefit of doubt until all facts are in
 
Optical Serenity said:
Hopefully no one takes this poster to mean that they should kill or in any way harm someone who has anything to do with law enforcement or the CHP.
Even if those "law enforcers" are attempting to disarm them? Guess again. If the crunch comes, best you pick a side. Liable to be at least three sides, the way government forces have been playing it. That's not the way most gun-owners would choose to have things go!

Blame FEMA, blame Mayor Nagin or the Governer, blame "overzealous subordinates," they all feed at the public trough and it was their choice to try disarming honest folk. In my opinion, it is a very great pity none of them were shot to death in the attempt. And it is a very good thing that they were taken to court over the matter as rapidly as they were.

But I promise you that, I, personally, will lie to the gun-grabbers and conceal any weapons I might have in order to avoid having to shoot them for as long as they'll let me. If they will stay out of my lawful affairs, there won't be any problem. Push me and I will push back.

--Herself
 
I do not advocate shooting law enforement officers, even if they act criminally in regard to your property. Only shoot people to protect your life (although confiscation of emergency equipment and supplies is a threat to life). Protection of property can be done with guns but, as all modern conflicts show, explosives are far more effective than small arms against personnel and armor. They also allow people to be away from the point of excitement when this happens.

It is a testament ot the patience of even the least patient American that some of the least savory law enforcement agencies have not been bombed yet. My guess is that those who have the skill,the will and the motivation to fight offensively simply move to other jurisdictions and avoid conflict. Someday it will change, most likely after somebody competent loses family members to law enforcement activities.

My posters will have nothing to do with that. On the contrary, officers who view them might save their own lives by thinking ahead and restraining themselves and their colleagues from unlawful activities.
 
Optical Serenity said:
Hopefully no one takes this poster to mean that they should kill or in any way harm someone who has anything to do with law enforcement or the CHP.

Huh? I just loaded 2 AR-15's and a FAL after seeing that poster, I MUST KILL I HAVE NO CONTROL NOW, besides my dog just told me to go on a spree...
CT
 
We want ANSWERS!!

The New Orleans gun confiscation was one of the top three outrages in the recent history of the United States, the other two being when "The Government" slaughtered its own citizens at Waco, TX and Ruby Ridge, ID.

Notice a pattern here? All three incidents involved people with guns that just wanted to be left alone. I'm not sure which "The Government" hates more - people who have guns, or people who just want to be left alone.

In the case of the NO gun snatch, let's look at an average guy - let's say he has a small collection of 10 production (non-custom) handguns. Depending on what he has and with handgun prices of $500 to $800 per gun, his collection is worth between $5000 and $8000.

So "The Government" decides to "take all the guns," as the socialist police chief of NO arbitrairly decided. "The Government" comes to this guy's house, takes his guns throws them into the bed of a truck with hundreds of other guns - beating them all to p1$$, cutting their value by half (or more) and the guy never sees his beat to p1$$ guns again. That is the essence of what happened.

This gives rise to questions, to wit-
1: Why did "The Government" feel the need to disarm people who were doing nothing more than sitting in the remains of their homes with their guns in order to repel looters?

2: How many home owners sitting in the remains of their homes fired on police/fire/emergency personnel before the gun snatch? [My guess is zero.]

3: Why did "The Government" not disarm the looters and thugs roaming the streets instead?

4: Where the "f" was the citizen's right to due process?

5: A.) By what mechanism and justification did "The Government" suspend the Bill of Rights in NO? B.) Was it simply on the say-so of the Police Chief who did not have such authority?

6: How can "The Government" do this to a supposed free people when martial law HAD NOT been declared?

7: Exactly how and when will the citizens who had their guns stolen by "The Government" be reimbursed for the cost of their stolen/destroyed property?

8: A.) Since the NO gun snatch was a "success" in the eyes of "The Government," is it now considered standard procedure in emergency situations? B.) If a tornado, earthquake or blizzard strikes my community, is "The Government" going to come around and try to take my guns?

The NO gun snatch amounts to nothing less than the rape of liberty and an undeniable show of the contempt that petty bureaucrats and "The Government" have for the rights guaranteed to We The People by the Bill of Rights.

The law abiding citizens of NO should have never been put in the situation thery were forced into, which was "Give us your guns or we will kill you and take them from you." That is exactly the choice "The Government" forced upon them.

Under those circumstances, it is a damn shame that "The Government's" gun snatching thugs were not shot dead by the dozens by those they sought to disarm - just like The Founders shot dead the Crown's thugs that were sent to disarm them.

We The People want answers!!:fire:
 
Herself said:
Even if those "law enforcers" are attempting to disarm them? Guess again. If the crunch comes, best you pick a side. Liable to be at least three sides, the way government forces have been playing it. That's not the way most gun-owners would choose to have things go!

Blame FEMA, blame Mayor Nagin or the Governer, blame "overzealous subordinates," they all feed at the public trough and it was their choice to try disarming honest folk. In my opinion, it is a very great pity none of them were shot to death in the attempt. And it is a very good thing that they were taken to court over the matter as rapidly as they were.

But I promise you that, I, personally, will lie to the gun-grabbers and conceal any weapons I might have in order to avoid having to shoot them for as long as they'll let me. If they will stay out of my lawful affairs, there won't be any problem. Push me and I will push back.

--Herself

progunner1957 said:
The New Orleans gun confiscation was one of the top three outrages in the recent history of the United States, the other two being when "The Government" slaughtered its own citizens at Waco, TX and Ruby Ridge, ID.

Notice a pattern here? All three incidents involved people with guns that just wanted to be left alone. I'm not sure which "The Government" hates more - people who have guns, or people who just want to be left alone.

In the case of the NO gun snatch, let's look at an average guy - let's say he has a small collection of 10 production (non-custom) handguns. Depending on what he has and with handgun prices of $500 to $800 per gun, his collection is worth between $5000 and $8000.

So "The Government" decides to "take all the guns," as the socialist police chief of NO arbitrairly decided. "The Government" comes to this guy's house, takes his guns throws them into the bed of a truck with hundreds of other guns - beating them all to p1$$, cutting their value by half (or more) and the guy never sees his beat to p1$$ guns again. That is the essence of what happened.

This gives rise to questions, to wit-
1: Why did "The Government" feel the need to disarm people who were doing nothing more than sitting in the remains of their homes with their guns in order to repel looters?

2: How many home owners sitting in the remains of their homes fired on police/fire/emergency personnel before the gun snatch? [My guess is zero.]

3: Why did "The Government" not disarm the looters and thugs roaming the streets instead?

4: Where the "f" was the citizen's right to due process?

5: A.) By what mechanism and justification did "The Government" suspend the Bill of Rights in NO? B.) Was it simply on the say-so of the Police Chief who did not have such authority?

6: How can "The Government" do this to a supposed free people when martial law HAD NOT been declared?

7: Exactly how and when will the citizens who had their guns stolen by "The Government" be reimbursed for the cost of their stolen/destroyed property?

8: A.) Since the NO gun snatch was a "success" in the eyes of "The Government," is it now considered standard procedure in emergency situations? B.) If a tornado, earthquake or blizzard strikes my community, is "The Government" going to come around and try to take my guns?

The NO gun snatch amounts to nothing less than the rape of liberty and an undeniable show of the contempt that petty bureaucrats and "The Government" have for the rights guaranteed to We The People by the Bill of Rights.

The law abiding citizens of NO should have never been put in the situation thery were forced into, which was "Give us your guns or we will kill you and take them from you." That is exactly the choice "The Government" forced upon them.

Under those circumstances, it is a damn shame that "The Government's" gun snatching thugs were not shot dead by the dozens by those they sought to disarm - just like The Founders shot dead the Crown's thugs that were sent to disarm them.

We The People want answers!!:fire:

Oh Christ. Here it comes again. The Flake and Nut parade.:rolleyes:
 
I'm always polite to the police, Oleg. Most of them rate it and even the ones that don't deserve the same benefit of the doubt any other person would deserve. Even if they do come for my guns and I lie to them about the existence of any such evil nasty icky horrid things, I will do it nicely.

...And if they try to take away my means of self-defense, especially under disaster/emergency conditions and I do end up having to shoot them, I'll do that just as politely as I can, too, while sincerely regretting having had to shoot 'em. In a decent society with a well-behaved government, the shooting of public servants should never be necessary.


M-Rex, old pal, is it your contention that:
  • Firearms lawfully possesed by people were not seized by police during the aftermath of the NOLA hurricaine and flood; or
  • That it was a good and legal act for police to seize such arms; or
  • That citizens have no basic or intrinsic right to self-defense; or
  • That it is "flaky" or "nutty" to assert the right to keep and bear arms?
Or is it all of the above? Do tell; I would be pleased to hear your take on this.

--Herself
 
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Oleg...

I can say, without a doubt, that this is the best poster you've done that I've viewed.
Every aspect of it brings the viewer to one conclusion, regardless of which side of the issue the viewer stands on.
Biker
 
...A clarification: I'm getting mail that suggests I am picking on Mr. Volk. I am not. I approve of his firm resolve; I just happen to hold a slightly different opinion.

See, it works like the boys used to say of me back in the old dim, dark BBS and Fidonet days: "she only speaks for herself."
Thus the 'nym.
Get it?


I don't even especially care what the rest of you do if there's some widespread disaster and the idiots in charge (pardon me, "wise and benevolent elected and appointed officials") decide to waste resources going after guns belonging to non-looters. I am not your Mom. I am also not gonna be a victim.

If things go badly awry, I'm likely to be busy helping patch together some crummy approximation of broadcast media so you can all be told to boil water, not to eat any house pets you don't know and to stay indoors -- and I will be armed. If you are or not and if you'll let some noseyparker make that decision for you is your own choice.

--Herself
 
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M-Rex said:
Thank you for pointing that out.

I believe the 'officers' were recently graduated cadets, but I'm not completely certain.

Though, I am disgusted with the poster. Grudgingly, I must agree. CHP just had another officer murdered on a traffic stop yesterday. I only hope that people do not start gunning the 99% of officers who had nothing to do with New Orleans.
The day after that incident, I had a former CHP neighbor over at my house. He was visiting to pick up his son, who was playing with mine. I showed him the two video's in question and asked for his comments. I thought he was pretty surprised by what he was watching, but who knows?

The first one showed a group of the CHP's being sworn in by the local LA officials. My neighbor immediately spotted a former partner and also a former supervisor (the reason my neighbor is no longer with CHP is due to a 100% medical diability).He was with them for more than a few years, so the ones in the video were not entirely cadets. Can't say for sure how many were vets vs. rookies, but for all intents and purpose, that's really a moot point.

The second and more famous video is the one where the old lady offers up an old revolver, broken open to display the empty chambers. She's in a housedress and standing in her kitchen, when she gets tackled by a CHP dressed in tactical vest, gloves, etc. I mean this guy leveled her. The vid was obviously shortened, as you can see the next scene jumped to her and the CHP's all outside, as she's led to a waiting truck. Yeah, let that one sink in for a moment. :fire:

When my neighbor watched that scene, he said "That doesn't surpise me. I know that guy and that's certainly something he'd do." For my money, this video deserves no less attention that those shown so often about Waco. Now before we go down that road again, believe me I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but merely point out the egregious violation of this American citizen's rights, and how little media attention this incident has generated. If those CHP's were in her home to take out some books she was reading, or arrest her for reading them in her home, we'd still be seeing that video on TV. But go from a violation of 1st Amendment rights to 2nd Amendment, and it was completely marginalized and swept under the rug.

Good poster, Oleg. Anything that keeps that incident front and center in a meaningful way is welcomed and appreciated.
 
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