(NOLA) City of misery, guns & despair

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City of misery, guns & despair

BY TAMER EL-GHOBASHY
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

NEW ORLEANS - I went looking for the Big Easy yesterday. I found Dodge City instead. Looters ran wild, some desperate for food and water, others just taking advantage of a chance at free cigarettes and beer.

In the Carrollton neighborhood, two armed men - self-appointed sheriffs in a white pickup - confronted them. Spotting thieves who had commandeered a forklift and smashed into a Rite Aid store, the two men fired above the looters' heads and ran them off.

A man emerged pulling a little wagon stacked with Pampers, food, water and soda. He screamed at the men with the guns.

"Who are y'all? Who are you to stop us?"

"I'm an American citizen," was the reply. "Take your food and go."

"I need these things," the looter told me. "I can't afford to get out of here. But I have to feed my family.

"Look at what I have," he said. "These aren't luxuries."

Not far away, at Cooter Brown's Bar & Grill, the weary owner stood sentry with a pal to keep the looters at bay. He had a .357 magnum, a 9-mm. handgun, a 12-gauge shotgun and no hesitation about using any of them.

"The cops are busy as it is. If more citizens took security and matters into their own hands, we won't be in this situation," said owner Art DePodesta, 30, as he warily scanned the street.

We drove on through flooded and ravaged streets, where large groups of people walked in knee-high water, some carrying their only remaining possessions above their heads. All around New Orleans there were people walking the streets - some with a destination, others with nowhere to go.

I began my day about 6 a.m. in the parking lot of a Waffle House in Baton Rouge, La. Daily News photographer Mike Appleton and I had slept in the car. There isn't a hotel room to be found from Texas to Arkansas.

We gassed up the SUV, fueled ourselves with coffee and headed for New Orleans. Police at a checkpoint turned us back - no media allowed, they said - so we pulled out the map, figured out some back roads with help from the locals, and shadowed the mighty Mississippi on our way into town.

When we first entered New Orleans, we found ourselves in neighborhoods that hadn't fared too badly. There was damage but not total destruction. Downed trees and power lines blocked some streets, but the water was mostly gone.

As we drove on, we hit the neighborhoods that Katrina had left in ruins. Desperate people flagged us down and begged for rides - to the hospital, to search for loved ones, or, preferably, to get them out of town.

Since we're living out of our car, it is jammed with our stuff and there's little room. We had to turn them down.

But we were wary, too.

The radio news had numerous reports of carjackings all over town. In a city where people are desperate to get out, wheels are a hot commodity. We wanted to keep moving.

We made our way to the Superdome and found the most shocking scene I encountered in New Orleans. The giant stadium was opened up as a place of refuge from the storm.

Yesterday, it was a pit of misery and despair for the tens of thousands crammed in there.

"You don't want to come in here," a National Guardsman told us. "It's a war zone."

He wasn't kidding.

When we made our way inside, the first thing that hit me was the smell.

Human waste.

Body odor.

Desperation.

Fear.

Thousands of children milled about. Thousands of elderly huddled in stadium seats. Everybody anxious. Everybody afraid.

A group of men pried open a Coke machine and then fights broke out over the soda. A few Guardsmen moved in, locked and loaded. At the sight of the rifles, the fighting ended.

"People are boiling over," another Guardsman said.

The rumor mill was off the hook. Four rapes had occurred, people told me. A baby had died.

Officials denied that any baby had died. But they dodged questions about rapes, saying they couldn't confirm or deny the reports.

"We don't feel safe. I feel really scared. If my husband wasn't here, I don't know how I'd deal with it," said Robin White Morton, 45.

"The conditions are deplorable. The bathrooms have backed up and people are very uncomfortable and agitated. We are waiting for any word where we'll be moved to next, and when," she said.

The answer came as the day went on: A two-day bus convoy will ferry 25,000 refugees from here to the Astrodome in Houston.

Down on the field, some boys tossed a football around. I enjoyed watching them play and I thought about how resilient kids are, how they always find a way to make the best of it.

"I always thought I'd be playing football in this place, but not like this," a 12-year-old told me.

He made me smile, and I realized it was the first time all day I'd done that.

We left the Superdome and headed out of town. There's no cell phone service or Internet access, and we had to file our pictures and story.

We left behind the City of New Orleans - home of Mardi Gras and one of the best party towns in the world.

I can tell you this much: The party's over.

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/342473p-292368c.html
 
What worthless drivel! What use are these two "journalists" serving? NONE! They are contributing to the problems.
Police at a checkpoint turned us back - no media allowed, they said - so we pulled out the map, figured out some back roads with help from the locals, and shadowed the mighty Mississippi on our way into town.
How noble of you. :barf:
Desperate people flagged us down and begged for rides - to the hospital, to search for loved ones, or, preferably, to get them out of town.
Since we're living out of our car, it is jammed with our stuff and there's little room. We had to turn them down.
Really? Did you? Why? What greater cause did you have? What did you have to do that was more important? :barf:

"I'm an American citizen," was the reply. "Take your food and go."
Sounds like the guns were in the right hands.
 
What worthless drivel! What use are these two "journalists" serving? NONE! They are contributing to the problems.
I've re-read the article and failed to find any mention of the fact that those two where anybody's "servants". They seem to be free (as much as any in this country) citizens.
Just as free as any of the people they met - free to stay or to leave when they had the opportunity or to walk away. It was their prerogative to decide their priorities - and unless they refused to help someone in need of emergency medical care, I would not fault their morals either.

miko
 
I've re-read the article and failed to find any mention of the fact that those two where anybody's "servants". They seem to be free (as much as any in this country) citizens.
Exactly. They were not forced to go there. They chose to. They chose to go to places where they were lawfullly ordered not to go. They went to places where everyone is trying (and required) to leave -- but not to offer any help, just to "report."
Just as free as any of the people they met - free to stay or to leave when they had the opportunity or to walk away.
Hardly! They were far more free. They had a choice not to go where they were forbidden (for good reason), especially when they were offering no assistance (at least was not the purpose of there entry and the report expressly stated that they refused to give help because their car was "jammed with our stuff"). They refused to help those with no "stuff" whatsoever because they were carrying too much of their own stuff, not out of, but into an evacuation area. Not to share the stuff with those far less fortunate, but to aid their ability to . . . write about it. :barf:

Just as we gun owners sometimes need to reflect and police our own to protect our image, journalist need to engage in the same.
 
Journalists..."Media people"

I've felt for years that journalists of all sorts have a strange sense of "The Right Thing To Do." They seem to think that "getting the story" is of a higher priority than helping people, or staying out of the way of rescue workers, or respecting people's feelings, or any other consideration. They also seem to think they have a right to elbow others aside in order to do this.

And why? The usual reason: Profit. They're either getting paid by TV, radio, or newspaper, to do that, or they hope to write or photograph something and sell it.

The most disgusting example I'v ever seen was videotape of a dog attacking someone. The camera person just stood there with their camera rolling, and got it all on tape. Then as a second sin, the local TV station aired it!!!

After some period of time (5 seconds? 10? Don't know, but time enough for the dog to get in some good chomps) someone else pitched in to help the dog attack victim. What did the camera person do? Kept that camera rolling, of course.

I fully expect the news media to be exploiting various "grave personal tragedy" stories from NOLA for weeks to come. (Be sure to get a closeup of the weeping widow's face JUST as she uncovers the body of her husband--that'll be good for a Pulitzer!)
 
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"The cops are busy as it is. If more citizens took security and matters into their own hands, we won't be in this situation," said owner Art DePodesta, 30, as he warily scanned the street.

*thumbs up*

That's all I'm going to say.
 
I noticed MSNBC has started with "the music".

You know, that mournful junk they play to add "dramatic" effect to the "news." (Usually coincides with the repeating of the same stuff over and over.)
 
Thugs keep the saviors from their mission
Friday, September 02, 2005
BY BRAD PARKS
Star-Ledger Staff

METAIRIE, La. -- With seven rescue boats at his disposal and thousands of New Orleans residents in need of saving, lifelong fireman Patrick Hemphill stood by the floodwaters' edge yesterday and gave a command that went against all his years of training.

Stand down.

Citizens were in danger, yet he had to tell his people to pull back.

"We've been ordered by the higher-ups not to go into the city of New Orleans," said Hemphill, the fire chief of Ouachita Parish, a county in northern Louisiana. "We've been advised it's not safe."

"They're shooting at my people," said Mario Scramuzza, an emergency medical technician from nearby East Jefferson General Hospital, who was helping to coordinate medical care along with Hemphill.

Scramuzza said the biggest problem were gun-toting men who tried to hijack the rescue boats.

"We've got priorities of people who need to get out first, women, children and elderly. If you don't stop for them, they shoot at you," Scramuzza said.

The problem was widespread in New Orleans. A rescue helicopter trying to airlift people out of the Superdome was fired on. A force of 88 police officers sent to restore calm to the area around the New Orleans Convention Center had to retreat in the face of violence. Workers at one hospital ducked gunfire as they tried to evacuate patients. A National Guardsman was shot in the leg as he fended off an attacker who tried to steal his gun.

For people like Scramuzza and Hemphill -- men whose lives are dedicated to helping others -- it made an already difficult task that much more frustrating.

"There are still a lot of people out there who don't need to spend anymore time where they are," Hemphill said. "We're trying to do what we can, but we have our hands tied a little bit."

So they did the best they could. Hemphill is overseeing one of the many rescue boat operations here, launching crafts from Route 61 in Jefferson Parish, at the spot where the road lowers to meet the floodwaters.

He and his fellow firemen from Ouachita Parish got there Wednesday morning and were able to operate safely, albeit with some difficulty.

"It's not easy," Hemphill said. "There are a lot of shallow places where they have to get out and drag the boats. There's things floating in the water. There are submerged objects."

When the bullets started flying, it got to be too much.

They were still sending boats yesterday off Route 61, but only to the more immediate areas of Jefferson Parish.

And they were under orders to take extreme precaution. Each boat went out with an armed guard wearing bulletproof armor and carrying high-powered weapons.

When a boat returned -- usually full -- each passenger was searched for weapons. That became standard procedure at evacuation points after there was a shooting outside the Superdome on Wednesday.

"We're patting down every person that comes up here and we're checking every bag," Scramuzza said.

It has put them in the strange position of being both rescuers and policemen.

"We wish we could do more, but we're doing the best we can," Hemphill said. "This isn't how we wanted this to happen."

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1125642285270390.xml&coll=1
 
Hmm; funny we all saw live pictures and commentary on the carnage in Sri Lanka recently. We have seen plenty of on-scene war footage in "dangerous places" in Afghanistan with Christiane Amanpour wearing her bush hat and AK-47, and in Iraq. Yet on our own home soil it is not surprizing that they do not want any roaming media.

For perhaps the combined view of chaos and destruction, but no humming and hiving search and rescue with masses of troops, thousands of watercraft, heavy equipment, hundreds of helicopters etc - it might dawn on enough people how blatantly obvious it is that our own country is the very last priority of this administration. And just how vulnerable we have been left by their costly cherade in other places around the globe.
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"Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes." - Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

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For perhaps the combined view of chaos and destruction, but no humming and hiving search and rescue with masses of troops, thousands of watercraft, heavy equipment,hundreds of helicopters etc - it might dawn on enough people how blatantly obvious it is that our own country is the very last priority of this administration. And just how vulnerable we have been left by their costly cherade in other places around the globe.

:banghead:

Microwave mentality

If it (whatever "it" is) isn't fixed in 30 seconds... IT'S ALL BUSHES FAULT!

This "vulnerability"? comes from the same paradigme as the looting.
40 years of "entitlements/welfare/great society" socialist thinking, policys and programs.

And then, when it doesn't work INSTANTLY, (as in never can) BLAME SOMEONE!
In this case a thinly veiled "it's Bushes fault."

Bah!
Sheep
 
+1 SteamDragon

Now - I suggest no one hold their breath waiting for the media to come to the same conclusion - you'd not be long for this world if you did.

The government knows it and revels in it. I can see ole Ted the Red, Swinestein, Kerry, Biden and all the rest of the socialists in congress watching the coverage and gleefully patting each other on the backs all the while commenting that it worked, it worked.
 
Police and Owners Begin to Challenge Looters

By FELICITY BARRINGER and JERE LONGMAN
Published: September 1, 2005

NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 31 - In a city shut down for business, the Rite Aid at Oak and South Carrollton was wide open on Wednesday. Someone had stolen a forklift, driven it four blocks, peeled up the security gate and smashed through the front door.

The young and the old walked in empty-handed and walked out with armfuls of candy, sunglasses, notebooks, soda and whatever else they could need or find. No one tried to stop them.

Across New Orleans, the rule of law, like the city's levees, could not hold out after Hurricane Katrina. The desperate and the opportunistic took advantage of an overwhelmed police force and helped themselves to anything that could be carried, wheeled or floated away, including food, water, shoes, television sets, sporting goods and firearms.

Many people with property brought out their own shotguns and sidearms. Many without brought out shopping carts. The two groups have moved warily in and out of each other's paths for the last three days, and the rising danger has kept even some rescue efforts from proceeding.

Because the New Orleans police were preoccupied with search and rescue missions, sheriff's deputies and state police from around Louisiana began to patrol the city, some holding rifles as they rolled through the streets in an armored vehicle.

But on Wednesday night, the mayor ordered about 1,500 city police officers, nearly the entire force, back to their traditional roles.

The looters "are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas," Mayor C. Ray Nagin told The Associated Press, "hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now."

Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said she was "furious" about the looting.

"What angers me the most is disasters tend to bring out the best in everybody, and that's what we expected to see," Ms. Blanco said at a news conference. "Instead, it brought out the worst."

All sizes and types of stores, from Wal-Mart to the Rite Aid to the St. Vincent de Paul thrift shop, turned into bazaars of free merchandise.

Some frightened homeowners took security into their own hands.

John Carolan was sitting on his porch in the thick, humid darkness just before midnight Tuesday when three or four young men, one with a knife and another with a machete, stopped in front of his fence and pointed to the generator humming in the front yard, he said.

One said, "We want that generator," he recalled.

"I fired a couple of rounds over their heads with a .357 Magnum," Mr. Carolan recounted Wednesday. "They scattered."

He smiled and added, "You've heard of law west of the Pecos. This is law west of Canal Street."

Though no one excused the stealing, many officials were careful not to depict every looter as a petty thief.

"Had New York been closed off on 9/11, who can say what they would have done?" said Cynthia Hedge-Morrell, vice president of the New Orleans City Council. "When there's no food, no water, no sanitation, who can say what you'd do? People were trying to protect their children. I don't condone lawlessness, but this doesn't represent the generous people of New Orleans."

One woman outside a Sav-a-Center on Tchoupitoulas Street was loading food, soda, water, bread, peanut butter and canned food into the trunk of a gray Oldsmobile.

"Yes, in a sense it's wrong, but survival is the name of the game," said the woman, who would not identify herself. "I've got six grandchildren. We didn't know this was going to happen. The water is off. We're trying to get supplies we need."

Jimmy Field, one of the state's five public service commissioners, said supply and repair trucks were being slowed down by people looking for food and water. Some would not go on without police escorts.

"Right now we're hoping for more federal assistance to get the level of civil disturbance down," Mr. Field said.

One police officer was shot Tuesday trying to stop looting, but he was expected to survive.

An emergency medical vehicle that was taking a Baton Rouge police officer who had been shot last month from a hospital back to his hometown was shot at on the way out of New Orleans on Tuesday.

East Baton Rouge Parish officials agreed to send 20 buses with special weapons and tactics officers to help evacuate New Orleanians, but only if a state trooper was also placed on each bus. The plan was scuttled.

"I told them I don't mind committing drivers and vehicles, but I wasn't going to put our people in harm's way," said Walter Monsour, the chief administrative officer of the parish.

Besides the strain of having to rescue survivors, the police are bereft of much of their equipment, buildings and essential communications. The Police Department was scheduled to receive new radios on Wednesday night to coordinate its activities, said Lt. Col. Mark S. Oxley, a spokesman for the state police.

Charles C. Foti Jr., the Louisiana attorney general, said a temporary detention center and courthouse would be established somewhere outside New Orleans. "We will be ready to accept you in our system, and teach you about rules and order," Mr. Foti warned looters.

On Tuesday, the state police sent in 200 troopers trained in riot control, said Lt. Lawrence J. McLeary, a spokesman for the state police.

He said that the "nervous energy" in New Orleans reminded him of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. "I've never seen anything like that in Louisiana," Lieutenant McLeary said.

With no officers in sight, people carried empty bags, shopping carts and backpacks through the door of the Rite Aid on Wednesday and left with them full. The forklift was still in the doorway. As they came and went, the looters nodded companionably to one another.

Paul Cosma, 47, who owns a nearby auto shop, stood outside it along with a reporter and photographer he was taking around the neighborhood. He had pistols on both hips.

Suddenly, he stepped forward toward a trio of young men and grabbed a pair of rusty bolt cutters out of the hands of one of them. The young man pulled back, glaring.

Mr. Cosma, never claiming any official status, eventually jerked the bolt cutters away, saying, "You don't need these."

The young man and his friends left, continuing the glare. A few minutes later, they returned and mouthed quiet oaths at Mr. Cosma, and his friend Art DePodesta, an Army veteran, who was carrying a shotgun and a pistol.

Mr. Cosma stared back, saying nothing. Between the two sides, a steady trickle of looters came and went, barely giving any of them a look.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/national/nationalspecial/01lawless.html?oref=login

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Paul Cosma and Jennifer Schmidt stood, armed, at the entrance to Mr. Cosma's auto repair shop in New Orleans, on the lookout for looters.
 
"Bush - and the Congress of course - are at the helm, and have the ship foundering. No one else"

You sir, have it wrong. It begins with personal responsibility. Then local responsibility. Then state responsibility. The federal government is always the last resort. They always have been. That's the way it works. How you expect the federal government to restore order and provide goods and services to 90,000 square miles in a matter of days, or even weeks, is beyond me.

That's why they call natural disasters...disasters.

John
 
Anticipation is the

essence of PREPARATION. And ALL 3 levels of government dropped the ball and left it laying on the field.

First, the city failed to make a serious enough effort to get people out.

Second, Louisiana failed to put its NG units on alert and set up staging areas for getting people out and supplies in.

Third, FEMA failed its obligation to get put its units on alert and set up staging areas for getting people out and supplies in.

This was not a surprise. Satellites clearly showed and tracked Katrina; meteorologists all knew it was a Cat 4 or 5 storm. It was 400 miles wide and WOULD make landfall on the Gulf Coast. The only variable was exactly WHERE it would hit.

Every NG and FEMA unit between Brownsville and Pensacola should have been ready to roll, as should the state and local police. There is particularly NO excuse for New Orleans being unprepared.

If you live in a city which is:

1. SURROUNDED by water;

2. 10 to 12 feet BELOW the level of that water; and

3. In an area regularly hit by tropical storms;

you bloody well BETTER have transport out or all the supplies you need to stay put, from an inflatable boat to MREs. If you don't - WHY NOT? :scrutiny:

If it was not this storm, it would be another. It was not a matter of IF; only of WHEN. I think NO was a toilet and Katrina flushed it. :eek:
 
Ha!

Someone fires a .357 over my head I'm gonna do more than just scatter - run hard and simultaneously soil myself and forget about looting in that area :eek:
 
JohnBT
You sir, have it wrong. It begins with personal responsibility. Then local responsibility. Then state responsibility. The federal government is always the last resort. They always have been
Right, but I do not have any of this wrong. When it is blatantly obvious the first three are overwhelmed - it is the responsibility of the Federal government. That is one of the reasons the States have a National Guard - complete with fleets of aircraft, including helicopters, armored vehicles, trucks and other heavy equipment. And can all be called into national service.

We do also have a regular Navy, Air Force and Army that between them can do a whole lot - if someone who has the authority to tell them to do so opens his mouth and speaks.
How you expect the federal government to restore order and provide goods and services to 90,000 square miles in a matter of days, or even weeks, is beyond me
How? Well perhaps not if; after 80% of the city of New Orleans went underwater, and the State of Louisiana was unable to cope - President Bush did nothing.

How long did it take for the first U.S. military aircraft, ships, personnel and supplies arrive in places like Sri Lanka after the tsunami? How long did it take our president to pick up his phone and speak that time?
That's why they call natural disasters...disasters
I can not count the number of magazine ads recruiting National Guard that I have seen featuring disaster and rescue themes. The National Guard have been regarded as the stopgap in any large disaster for many decades.
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How? Well perhaps not if; after 80% of the city of New Orleans went underwater, and the State of Louisiana was unable to cope - President Bush did nothing.

Well, I am of the opinion that "Bush did nothing", because he had and has no authority to do anything.
when he sent in federalized NG, and ACTIVE DUTY Millitary Police, he is violating Posse Comtotisse however it's spelled.
The Mayor of NO left hundreds of school busses parked on a lot less than a mile from the superdome. Those busses could have been in use DAYS before Katrina hit. Then Bush wouldn't have had to go where he has gone now.
Again I say,
Micro-wave mentality.

Or as I once heared, "I have a micro-wave fireplace. I spend the whole evening in front of a fire, in 15 minutes." -Steve (can't think of his last name)

One last point on top of my head, Please show me just where, in the Constitution of the united States of America, It is the PRESIDENTS DUTY or the Federal Government to respond as you ask?

OIC regulating Interstate Transport...?
 
"Right, but I do not have any of this wrong."

Yes you do.

"President Bush did nothing."

Do you have an actual source, or inside info maybe, or is this as I believe simply your OPINION.

Do you even know anyone who works for FEMA? I do.

Heck, the last time I looked FEMA only had 2500 employees and most of them are involved in communications, management and planning. It's not like they sit around in a ready room waiting to fly their supply planes to the disaster area (because they don't have supply planes and such.)

It's called Emergency Management, not Emergency Rescue.

Look at the federal-level response times in previous hurricanes and get back to me on it. I'll give you a hint, it's measured in days, if not weeks. That is the way it works. If it needs to be changed, then let's change it and quit blaming the people implementing it.

John
 
FEMA says to keep enough food and water on hand to last for 5 days. The people were told if coming to shelters to bring GUESS WHAT enough Food and Water for 5 days. Not my fault they couldn't follow directions. Fed aid is now pouring into area . Took about 4 days to really get up and running. Should they have put fully loaded ships in Gulf to do nothing but patrol waiting for next time. They might not fare to well in storm.N.O. mayor let his people down. State didn't react fast enough. How about people had days to get out of town and didn't Why because the gov. will take care of me attitude. Were the looting raping and feel sorry for me in rest of state and Miss,Al. Seems their trying to get out and clean up the mess and start rebuilding. To busy to complain to TV reporters
 
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