North Carolina's onerous "pistol purchase permit" requirement

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Today I went down to my local sheriff's office to apply for a permission slip from our benevolent superiors, so that I might be able to purchase a pistol when they deign to mail me my permits. This wasn't anything new to me, of course, but it had been several years since I got permits and the application form seemed a lot more intrusive since the last time I filled one out. Regardless, it really irritates me that this is a requirement at all and I am writing my state representative and senator about it.

I have heard before that NC's law requiring a permit to buy a handgun originated in the Jim Crow era and was designed to give local authorities the latitude to deny blacks the ability to buy handguns. Does anyone have a link to a reputable source with information about this? I plan to use such information in the letter I write, in addition to how contrary the whole idea is to a supposedly free society.

Any other North Carolinians here interested in writing your state reps? I will be glad to share my letter with anyone else who wants to use it as a basis for their own letter.
 
These days black groups like the NAACP and trolls like Jackson and Sharpton would favor laws that restrict blacks from owning guns. Their viewpoint is that blacks cannot be trusted with firearms because they use them against each other.

I suspect they'd fight against any attempt to roll back the jim crow laws.

-T
 
It seems the best way around this issue for you personally is to take steps to get yourself a NC CHL. Given the restrictive world view of many in NC government when it comes to handguns (and certain types of archery equipment) now that it's the law, and has been for many years, the pistol permit system will never go away. Can you really imagine our governor or lt. governor or AG stepping up on the soap box in aid of doing away with these laws? I cannot.

1. Is it an unfair burden on law-abiding North Carolinians? Answer = yes
2. Does it stop criminals from acquiring handguns? Answer = not if they really want one
3. Do our state representatives care about 1 & 2 above? Answer = no

You can forget Jim Crow as a tool for undoing this set of laws in NC. Edited to add: NC is a state were gun laws seem to get introduced and passed without much ado. Look at 2081. It doesn't help North Carolinians that many states have worse laws, but with Heller, some of them will be defending their highly restrictive laws in court and some, if not most, will get shot down I hope. Heller does nothing for NC in my estimation. As some of the states with highly restrictive laws are forced to change, states like NC will just move farther up the list of states that have punishing laws regarding gun ownership in general.

BTW Let us know what you get.

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The requirement was passed in 1919.

I have talked with a Republican state senator about this a couple years ago.

He told me as long as the people currently in charge remain in charge, it's a waste of time to pursue this.

Best we got was in 2004 when the law was changed so that you could use a CCHP instead.

Also a permit is required for a crossbow too. Same permit.
 
Didn't know that about crossbows. The asininity of North Carolina law never ceases to amaze me though. Your conversation with the state senator is pretty much what I figured, but I'll write my reps anyway if for no other reason than to post the responses here. The whole down east good ol' boy network has such a firm grip on this state's government. That speech where Gov. Sleazly fawned all over Hillary was enough to send me running for a trash can.

I agree I should just get a CCHP and avoid the permitting issue, but I have resisted that for the last few years because, as much as I am in favor of concealed carry, it incenses me that in yet another case we have to get a government permission slip to exercise a Constitutional right.

Or maybe I'll just move 4 miles down the road to South Carolina.
 
Just go ahead and get your concealed carry permit.

NC has reciprocity with over 30 states, and you can walk in any gun shop and purchase a handgun or long gun without having to go through the phone-in background check.

Just show your driver's license and carry permit, fill out the necessary paperwork, render payment and walk out with your weapon.

Beats the heck out of background checks and waiting for weeks for a purchase permit, every time you want to buy a gun. You also don't have to worry about getting arrested while carrying in reciprocal states.
 
Defensory said:
NC has reciprocity with over 30 states, and you can walk in any gun shop and purchase a handgun or long gun without having to go through the phone-in background check.
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Maybe.

If you have a CHL, the shop is not required to do the NICS check, but they may choose to do so anyway. It's their prerogative. Back when I worked for Dick's, we were instructed to call NICS even for permit holders.

I might have disobeyed that direction, though. :)
 
North Carolina Pistol Permit system came into law in 1919. North Carolina has traditionally been a Democratic state, I worked in the state as a leo for 27 years, during that time I was around a lot of old time Sheriff's and listing to them talk, it was more of a Democrat Republican thing rather than a black white thing.
 
We here in MO managed to get that idiot "permit to acquire a concealable handgun" removed last year. It's a long haul to get it done, but the Jim Crow origins of such laws as well as the redundancy of the process (it doesn't do anything a NICS check doesn't do, and it's less comprehensive) helped win converts. Some may comment about how sheriffs "know the people," but quite honestly, the sheriff himself never signs off on these (for us, it was the foul tempered ladies in the records department, who don't meet perps personally), and if you've done enough for the sheriff to know you personally, you're going to be in the NICS system.
 
I have talked with a Republican state senator about this a couple years ago.

He told me as long as the people currently in charge remain in charge, it's a waste of time to pursue this.
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That's pretty much the same thing I heard from my rep. Said something to the effect of "the Democrats in power have no interest in addressing gun laws". It's just a hassle and a fundraiser.
 
Does NC have a gun rights group? If so they are not getting it done. VA has the VCDL http://www.vcdl.org Virginia Citizens Defense League

The VCDL in my opinion is responsible for all the repeals we have seen of late.
Open carry is legal and VA is now a Shall issue state. Much of the support for the 2A now comes from Democrats even...Ironic. The idea that we can't change things doesn't work for me. If it can be done here in VA it can be done everywhere.

One of the things that has been effective here is the "Lobby Days" where VCDL members swarm all over the state capitol (carrying guns I might add) where they "explain" the reality to the politicians. I just moved here from California but can't wait till the next one.

If NC doesn't have an organization start one. ;)
 
NC has GRNC, but I think they need to be a little less divisive to gun owners if they want more members and desire to accomplish anything. They do a good job of getting the word out about gun control legislation in our legislature, but that's about it.

IMO, the best approach would be to utilize Heller to get this permit junk out if we can find multiple instances of the permits being arbitrarily given/denied (such as unusual character reference requirements and the like that are inconsistent with all 100 counties).
 
"The whole down east good ol' boy network has such a firm grip on this state's government."



really cry me a river as long as you keep believing that it will always seem that way you or any other person black -white-Taliban- or any other has the same rights.please remove the wool from your eyes and step into reality.the only man holding you down is yourself.
 
Join GRNC

Elected officials pay more attention to groups than they do individuals. Join GRNC and add your name to what they are already doing.

While the permit to purchase is onerous, there are far bigger fish to fry in NC. Spend the money to get your CCW permit - it is good for 5 years and, as others have said, allows you to buy on the spot. If you buy many guns the $5 permit fee savings helps to offset the cost for the CCW permit.

As dangerous as Charlotte is (8th most dangerous city in the nation) the ability to conceal a defensive weapon is a rather prudent step. Lobby to change the provision in the law that prevents you from carrying into a restaurant where alcohol is served - even if you don't drink! We have a chance to change that but the permit to purchase issue would find too much support in the legislature.

John
Charlotte, NC
 
"The whole down east good ol' boy network has such a firm grip on this state's government."



really cry me a river as long as you keep believing that it will always seem that way you or any other person black -white-Taliban- or any other has the same rights.please remove the wool from your eyes and step into reality.the only man holding you down is yourself.
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If I was really just bellyaching about an insurmountable problem I never would have even started this thread. Obviously it is my intent to help change things as they are, and by the way my statement about that good ol' boy network is absolutely an accurate assessment of things as they are now. I don't need to remove any wool from my eyes, I see things exactly as they are in this state.
 
really cry me a river as long as you keep believing that it will always seem that way you or any other person black -white-Taliban- or any other has the same rights.please remove the wool from your eyes and step into reality.the only man holding you down is yourself.
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If only it were that easy.
 
Go find another windmill to charge. NC has ossified government and simply will not change without serious public outrage. Critical mass has yet to be achieved. Get a CCH permit as it will overcome a number of risk inherent in NC law. Otherwise, suck it up, apply for 3 handgun permits, pick them up, and carry all 3 in your wallet. That way you are not deprived of impulse purchases so beloved by gun owners.

NC is a profoundly corrupt state. It starts at the governor's office and goes down hill from there. Until public outrage boils over, you'd have better luck arguing with a traffic light.
 
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Maybe.

If you have a CHL, the shop is not required to do the NICS check, but they may choose to do so anyway. It's their prerogative. Back when I worked for Dick's, we were instructed to call NICS even for permit holders.

I might have disobeyed that direction, though.
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Dick's isn't a gun shop. It's a major chain sporting goods store doing business in a number of states, that carries guns as a sideline.

A gun shop is a business that deals primarily in guns.

I have yet to find a GUN SHOP in NC that runs NICS checks on CCP holders---and I've been in a WHOLE BUNCH of NC gun shops.
 
Buy a handgun from a private individual and tell the stiffs to 'stick it!'
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But see there's the problem. even private sales require a permit to change hands or the seller is guilty of a misdemeanor.

And in this state, violation of any gun law, even if it was a misdemeanor is grounds for revocation of your CCW permit.

I won't sell a handgun to anyone without a purchase permit or copy of their CHL. I expect most if not all NC THR members are the same.
 
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