biggameballs
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I bet Plaxico Burris carried a Kahr.
If you're used to shooting a 12#-14# pull and you pick up a smooth 6# or 7# pull I bet you it feels like 2#. That can explain a lot of NDs, IMO.
White shirts aside, it seems to me that the file officers are paying for their own ineptitude. They're the ones that cant keep their booger hook off the bang switch...Ah,more BS from the brass.Pretty well explains the Glock NY#1 and NY#2 triggers.These white shirts never were the real police and just used their connections to move up the ladder.The file officers have to pay for their ineptitude.
Agreed, and when you have more wiggle room for stupid stuff, you tend to do more stupid stuff.Sure it's the finger on the trigger that's the problem, but the 14 pound trigger lets you get away with a lot more poor handling.
uh, no. you're thinking of a p-64 or pa-63. both of those guns fire the 9mm makarov cartridge, but are not makarovs. actual makarovs have relatively light triggers.Just be glad they don't have to carry the Makarov pistols. Those things have a 25 lb double action trigger pull. Its impossible to get it to fire with your left hand if you ever needed to in DA mode its so heavy. SA trigger pull is excellent however.
Perhaps. It's impossible to stage a Kahr. Doesn't matter how many times I shoot mine, I can never accurately tell where the trigger is going to break.I'll bet what's happening is the NYC cops have become used to staging their triggers (even when just handling a gun) due to the high draw weight -- unintended consequinces.
You must live in a perfect world where people don't make mistakes.
Who was arguing for greater acceptance?
NYPD Spokesman: "We don't understand it... no matter how heavy the trigger pull on our guns is, we keep having these accidental discharges when our cops pull the trigger on these guns. All our guys are doing is pulling the trigger, the gun seems incapable of differentiating when the officer means to shoot and when he's just, you know, pulling the trigger. We strongly suspect faulty hardware."
Nordeste said:I just can't believe this. And this came from a NYPD official?. Impressive, at the least.
No, that was me paraphrasing what the article said, they didn't actually say that.
It isn't practical to expect humans to never make mistakes. That doesn't mean we shouldn't hold people responsible for mistakes. I think all John is saying is that mistakes do happen and a statement that there should be zero ND's is just wishful thinking. Zero ND's should certainly be the goal, but the NYPD isn't infallible (nor am I, nor are you ) and I suspect any realist will admit that zero actual ND's across that large of a group is probably unlikely, if not impractical.Someone else said "they should have zero", you quoted them and countered that said person must "live in a perfect world where people don't make mistakes". Why say that unless you are arguing against zero tolerance for NDs?
A small handful of ADs out of 35,000 NYC police officers is to be expected. Train them all again and again. It won't stop humans making mistakes.
The gun community accepted that humans make mistakes a long time ago, hence the four rules we *should* all live by.Acknowledging that humans make errors is not the same thing as saying Kahr handguns should be outlawed.
You really aren't reading my posts are you. No where have I said human imperfections should excuse mistakes (including ND's). No where have I said that's an excuse that should alleviate any liability for making the mistake. And most certainly none of my posts have suggested that we shouldn't follow gun safety rules.The gun community accepted that humans make mistakes a long time ago, hence the four rules we *should* all live by.
Try this. Shoot someone. Then when the cops come, blame the trigger of your gun. I'm going to bet that "sorry officer, but people make mistakes" is not going to get you very far. It's a BS excuse plain and simple.