Obligation to Disclose That You Carry When at Someone's House

[Slamfire]

Just check your guns before you enter the house unless your bud and his wife are also gun nuts.

Yes, the neighbors and all the people outside could turn into zombies, or your friends could turn into zombies, and you would have to shoot your way out, but I doubt it.

Leave the grenades, rocket launchers, death rays all in the car.

 

[Old krow]

Before I say anything I should explain this so that it is not taken out of context. I don't have any friends that are "anti" nor is my family, so it's a bit of a mute point.

1. My mom and sister have no problems with it and I do not say anything anything anymore, it's just assumed. I think that my mom is a little happier when I am. My friends, same thing. Everyone else... explain to me again why was over there?

2. If my mom did have a problem with it, I would honor it. I can't chose my family. The rest I can chose.

Frankly it's none of their business.

3. It is if you're in my house. My house, my rules. "In God we trust, all others we monitor, jam, or deceive." The people that I associate with operate under a blanket agreement that we carry. I will not ask them, I know them, I shoot with them, and I assume that they are. However, I know them, the trust and safety issues have been addressed otherwise they wouldn't be in this group to start with.

If I didn't know someone, then yes, they have to tell me. I do not automatically trust them. It's more of a situational awareness thing than a "micro management" thing. Their safety is secondary to my own or that of my family. I don't assume that someone is safe with a firearm just because they have one. The military and the range has cured me of that. But, this is for people whom I do not know that I did invite into my house... the odds are very very remote. If I was carrying, I was doing it to be safe, why on earth would I go into a house with no guns in the first place?

No. Do you tell people the color of your underwear when you walk into a home?

The next time underwear accidentally (negligent) discharges and kills someone it might be an issue.

All in all, I would avoid this altogether. That's just me, and it is an OPINION, except for the my house my rules part.

 

[oldbanjo]

By SC rules you have too. I didn't say I did.

 

[VinnAY]

I think its a matter of respect or the lack thereof that causes someone to disrespect another's home whether they're gun friendly or not. If you don't have express permission to carry in their home, you shouldn't do it no matter what. IF that makes you drop friends or family I guess that that's your personal decision. But I see it as very disrespectful to not ask permission.
I don't carry around my niece and nephew (3 and 7yrs old), here or at their home. I'm down on the ground rough housing them or one or both on my lap watching TV, it's just not appropriate. I leave my roscoe in the car. Their town is a crap town in my opinion and I really won't go there without my piece and I quite clearly say that to most anyone that'll listen, butt it stays in the car at their house.

 

[bigalexe]

Guys I don't even think this warrants a thread but:

Exhibit 1: Castle Laws, based on the idea that one is the ruler of their residence. We like them.

Exhibit 2: Common Courtesy, you are a guest in someones home and should recognize their rules.

Exhibit 3: If you enter my home and are armed I wonder what you are up to, I am not a scary person and do not believe one should need to be armed and feel threatened by me so you must be planning to harm me. I can secure my own home (or choose not to), and in my home I expect you to respect my policies.

Side-Note: If you inform me you are armed and CC then I would not object to you entering my home, if you enter my home and fail to disclose CC then you will see the wrong end of my shotgun barrel.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Let's see here. I have some extremely progressive family members. Most of them I get along with very well, and one of them is a close uncle of mine. When I invite them over, I understand they may very well make some political comments that I find insane. They are also likely to bring hippie type products with them that I do not agree with(like pot). They also do activities that I find downright strange and sometimes offensive(sexually suggestive yoga).

Yet I invite them over and enjoy their company anyway. I knew about these things when I invited them over and accept that it will be something I live with while they are visitors.

They know about my conservative fiscal views and that I think the US Government has gone insane. They know I support a strict constitutional view and yet they enjoy my company when I visit them. They are nothing but hospitable and I assume they would be the same way if they knew I was a gunny.

I just choose to keep it from them so we don't have to get into a political discussion about it with me being vastly outnumbered.

 

[Robert]

I am respectful of my host, his home, and his wishes when I am in his home. My right to carry does not trump his right to run his home as he sees fit. I have some non gun friendly friends that know I carry. As long as it stays concealed, as it should be, there is no issue.

I try to use this situation as education and teaching situations. My wife has some friends that are just plain gun ignorant so I try to take the scary out of it for them.

I, after informing the home owner that I am carrying, have never been asked to lock it in the car or leave. Mutual respect goes a long, long way.

 

[ArmedBear]

Some people I know would assume that I am carrying, so there's no need to tell them. I assume they're carrying, too, though with an AR in the corner and a pistol on the dining room table, maybe they see no reason to have a gun holstered, too.

Others might assume I'm carrying, or not, or they might not even think of it, but as long as they don't bring it up, I don't, either. I also don't ask for their permission to carry a pocket knife, a garage door opener or credit cards.

Let's stop treating guns like some magical things. They're not.

I don't carry if I'm going to be drinking more than a glass of wine with dinner or something. I don't plan to plink in somebody's living room. If they see the gun, it'll be in such a situation as they'll be glad I have it. Otherwise, they won't see it any more than they'll see the medical insurance card in my wallet.

 

[Zundfolge]

I don't believe that anything under my clothing is anyone else's business. If I was one that preferred not to wear underwear would a home owner have a right to demand I go home and put some briefs on first? Do I need to run my underwear choices by every homeowner I visit? What if I had a tattoo on my backside and I was entering the home of someone that believed they were a sin? Do I need to get a list of all prohibited/approved items one could possibly carry in their pocket or under their clothes? For that matter should I ask every homeowner I visit what prohibited/approved ideas I'm allowed to carry into their home in my head?

And don't give me this bushwa about how firearms are somehow different...that's anti BS.

If someone told me expressly that they didn't want any guns in their house then I'd just not go there (even if they're family ... I have family I no longer talk to because of their stupid political beliefs) but I'm certainly not asking for anyone's permission or putting them in the position where they have to give/deny permission (note that I don't live in South Carolina or Alaska).

The next time underwear accidentally (negligent) discharges and kills someone it might be an issue.

Modern firearms simply DO NOT GO OFF unless you're fiddling with them ... which means they're no longer concealed under your clothes.

So a negligent discharge would be the equivalent of taking your tightey whiteys off and rubbing your tread-marks on the good china.

Side-Note: If you inform me you are armed and CC then I would not object to you entering my home, if you enter my home and fail to disclose CC then you will see the wrong end of my shotgun barrel.

At which point YOU go to jail for assault with a deadly weapon ... and if we're related that's a domestic violence conviction and you no longer have a shotgun (or any gun) EVER AGAIN FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

 

[Mountainman38]

I carry a gun for a reason, and that's protection. If I'm going somewhere that I think I need to carry it (such as a trip across the state), and I'm going to a friends house where they don't like guns (my wife has such a friend, who expressly said I wasn't to bring a gun in her house), I'm not going to go unprotected just to cater to their misguided sense of entitlement. Sure, I could leave it in the car while we're sleeping in the house, but this doesn't seem reasonable to me. What if the car got broken into and the gun stolen? What if the house got broken into, and I didn't have a way to protect my family?

Same goes for restaurants that forbid patrons to carry on the premises, even though it's not a state law. If you put up a metal detector, I won't come eat there. If not, don't ask, don't tell.

 

[John Locke]

I usually don't tell people that I am carrying concealed. This avoids the whole problem, since it never becomes an issue, and it also means that we never get a chance to discuss whether they mind me carrying or even whether they're afraid of guns or not.

If I know they don't want people carrying in their house, I'd have a hard choice whether to carry regardless or whether to just not go. However, for the above reasons, I've never had the chance to find out

Me, I don't care if people are carrying at my place, so I don't want to know - it's their right to carry and I wouldn't presume to tell them otherwise.

 

[John Locke]

My house, My rules. I feel it'd be good manners to ask. Lets say I was terrified of..., lets say plush bunnies, and you brought a plush bunny over without asking me I would be rather upset. Just clear whatever you're bringin over with them.

You'd be upset if you ever saw it. You'd be none the wiser if you didn't know it was under their clothes, in their pants, etc.

 

[Old krow]

Modern firearms simply DO NOT GO OFF unless you're fiddling with them ... which means they're no longer concealed under your clothes.

Exactly! I'm not afraid of guns at all. People on the other hand...

Exhibit 1: Castle Laws, based on the idea that one is the ruler of their residence. We like them.

Exactly...again. If I knew you already then you didn't have to ask, I assumed that you were carrying. Point being, it's my choice to make.

 

[John Locke]

If I didn't know someone, then yes, they have to tell me. I do not automatically trust them. It's more of a situational awareness thing than a "micro management" thing. Their safety is secondary to my own or that of my family. I don't assume that someone is safe with a firearm just because they have one. The military and the range has cured me of that.

But why? If they're carrying and you don't find out about it, how is your safety jeopardized? It's no different than being outside with those same people. As long as they don't pull the gun out or handle it in an unsafe way, there is no problem, and if they do, then you can ask them to leave (and if they just pull it out without warning, and they're not friends of yours, I assume you're drawing as well).

 

[John Locke]

I think its a matter of respect or the lack thereof that causes someone to disrespect another's home whether they're gun friendly or not. If you don't have express permission to carry in their home, you shouldn't do it no matter what. IF that makes you drop friends or family I guess that that's your personal decision. But I see it as very disrespectful to not ask permission.
I don't carry around my niece and nephew (3 and 7yrs old), here or at their home. I'm down on the ground rough housing them or one or both on my lap watching TV, it's just not appropriate. I leave my roscoe in the car. Their town is a crap town in my opinion and I really won't go there without my piece and I quite clearly say that to most anyone that'll listen, butt it stays in the car at their house.

Wait, how is it not appropriate to be armed just because you're handling children? The gun is concealed, the kids never get to it - what's the big deal? It's not like it's going to go off by itself and hurt a child, and you know you're not going to do so too.

In my opinion, what guests to my house carry in their pockets is none of my business, as long as it's not illegal and that it stays there. If any of these two things is not true, then it becomes my business, at which point I have the decision whether to ask them to leave or not.

 

[John Locke]

Guys I don't even think this warrants a thread but:

Exhibit 1: Castle Laws, based on the idea that one is the ruler of their residence. We like them.

Exhibit 2: Common Courtesy, you are a guest in someones home and should recognize their rules.

Exhibit 3: If you enter my home and are armed I wonder what you are up to, I am not a scary person and do not believe one should need to be armed and feel threatened by me so you must be planning to harm me. I can secure my own home (or choose not to), and in my home I expect you to respect my policies.

Side-Note: If you inform me you are armed and CC then I would not object to you entering my home, if you enter my home and fail to disclose CC then you will see the wrong end of my shotgun barrel.

Exhibit 3: If you enter my home and are armed I wonder what you are up to, I am not a scary person and do not believe one should need to be armed and feel threatened by me so you must be planning to harm me. I can secure my own home (or choose not to), and in my home I expect you to respect my policies.

That's wrong, though. I'm not carrying to my friends' houses because I think my friends will attack me. I carry because I want to be protected on my way there and back, and also in case an armed home invasion happens while I'm there.

 

[General Geoff]

Their safety is secondary to my own or that of my family. I don't assume that someone is safe with a firearm just because they have one.

I assume someone is safe with a firearm they own until they prove otherwise, just as I assume someone who owns a car is relatively safe with it. If I didn't, I would have died of stress long ago just from driving to work and back every day.

Side-Note: If you inform me you are armed and CC then I would not object to you entering my home, if you enter my home and fail to disclose CC then you will see the wrong end of my shotgun barrel.

On the rare occasion that I carry concealed (I usually open carry), I consider it nobody else's business that I'm armed, any more than it is their business what color underwear I have on. Do you prefer that guests in your home inform you ahead of time that they're wearing polka dot undies? And if you find out later that they are, and they didn't inform you, you would aim a deadly weapon at them?


Bottom line is that I could care less if someone I invited into my home is armed or not; being armed does not make a person more likely to be a threat.

 

[psyopspec]

I've been thinking about this some more since I first posted, and I've come to the conclusion that guests in my home may assume that their individual rights are intact unless told otherwise. Since I've lived on my own, I can recall only one occasion on which I asked a guest to leave, and it involved racial comments with an intention of inciting a physical fight. Make a mockery of my home in front of me and my guests, you get asked to tone it down or leave.

As for guns, I assume everyone is armed. If they are not, so be it. If they are, then my expectations are fulfilled. Either way they're getting treated as the latter.

 

[JohnBiltz]

I think there are people I would rather not have armed in my house and people I don't care if they are armed. In either event it is still my house, my rules, my castle. If I ask you not to carry, ditch the gun or leave or my shotgun will be soon be pointing at you and the cops will arrive. I have an aunt who insists upon dragging her horrid little dog with her everywhere she goes, it isn't coming in either. If you don't want me to carry tell me and I'll leave and will not be back. If I can't for some reason say because I did not drive or something I'll take it off. Its your right to do so and I will respect it. Its your house, your rules and your castle. I won't be back but it doesn't change anything.

 

[General Geoff]

If I ask you not to carry, ditch the gun or leave or my shotgun will be soon be pointing at you and the cops will arrive. I have an aunt who insists upon dragging her horrid little dog with her everywhere she goes, it isn't coming in either. If you don't want me to carry tell me and I'll leave and will not be back. If I can't for some reason say because I did not drive or something I'll take it off. Its your right to do so and I will respect it. Its your house, your rules and your castle. I won't be back but it doesn't change anything.

I don't contest your right as owner of the property to ask anyone to leave for any reason; I question the logic behind wanting certain people to be unarmed in your home. Anyone I wouldn't trust with a gun, I wouldn't really want in my house at all.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

of those who would carry in anothers home

without or against their approval/knowledge, how many of you would get all butt hurt if they noticed and ordered you out? and didn't say please?

 

[CZguy]

I don't contest your right as owner of the property to ask anyone to leave for any reason; I question the logic behind wanting certain people to be unarmed in your home. Anyone I wouldn't trust with a gun, I wouldn't really want in my house at all.

That sounds perfectly logical to me.

 

[pockets]

Wow, there sure is a lot of preoccupation with underwear here.

If people should respect 'my home my rules', it should be reciprocal when it's 'their home their rules'. Whether or not I agree with their rules.

 

[Travis McGee]

I don't show them my underwear, my wallet or its contents or my concealed weapons.

 

[oldbanjo]

I would never have a problem with someone having a gun CC on them in my house, CWP doesn't matter to me, what does matter is the gun must stay on you and not be shown to anyone. I don't trust too many people handling guns, stupid things happen.