Okay, it's time to fess up on YOUR ND or AD

[jad0110]

No ND's or ADs; I am considered by my family to essentailly be the safety nazi.

Same here. Whenever someone asks to see a particular gun, I first check to make sure it is unloaded. 2nd, I check to make sure it's unloaded. Third, I check to make sure it's unloaded. I may do this half a dozen times. Then I walk around the room holding the gun, action open (finger off trigger and muzzle pointing in safe direction) asking them to verify that it is empty . Yeah, they think I'm a bit paranoid, but my mother in particular tells me that she appreciates it.

I've never had an ND/AD, but witnessed one first hand. I was completing the target shooting portion of a concealed carry course when the ND occurred. I was standing at the far left of the line, second from the end. An older lady was standing to my left at the end of the line. The gun she was firing was a .22 semiautomatic, a Ruger Mark II I believe. Mere moments before the ND occurred, my instincts told me that something crappy was about to happen. When I looked to my left, I saw her holding the pistol in her left hand only, pointing directly at the ground in front of her feet. Her index finger was inside the trigger guard at this point and her grip on the pistol did not seem to be firm. A fraction of a second before the ND, the pistol appeared to slip from her grasp. When it did, the full weight of the gun fell towards her left index finger, which was inside the trigger guard. This momentum was apparently enough to compress the trigger. I cannot be 100% certain that she did not squeeze the trigger as the gun fell from her grasp as a reflex action. Regardless, the gun fired.

The first thing I did was look down at my feet, thinking to myself "boy, my wife hates guns as it is ... this is going to go over like a ton of bricks if I've been hit". Yeah, that's really what I was thinking. Then I heard her say, with noticeable anger in her voice, "Ugh, I shot myself in the foot!" Sure enough, there was a tiny .22" hole in her right shoe, with a small red stain expanding from the center.

Her right foot was not more than 20 - 30" away from my left foot. So that was a little close . Later, we learned from her that the embarassment she felt was many times worse than any physical pain that she felt. Actually, she said it didn't start to hurt until about 2 hours later. The bullet struck her foot in the webbing between the big toe and the one next to it. I heard from one individual that the bullet when clean through, another story that it didn't penetrate the bone.

Even if one of the four rules is violated, most of the time no one will get hurt. Not that I advocate be casual with them, far from it. But when multiple rules get violated, that's when bad stuff can happen.

 

[hobgob]

i was witness to a ND with a not so happy outcome. i was hangin out at a friends place, it was a big old house and 8 guys lived there at the time, crazy place. one of the guys there was showin off his new 20 gauge. i left the room for a bit to go talk to someone and as soon as i turnd to go back into the room with the shotgun i heard it go off. the guy had been drinkin (yup its stupid) and forgot to check his gun before he started showin it off, blew his friends big toe off. I went into the room and unloaded the shotgun( the guy put it down to help his friend who now had a bloody mess of a shoe and foot) then helped the guy out to the car so they could take him to the hospital. lots of things wrong with the situation, i know. but thats my end of the story. glad it wasnt me and glad the situation was not worse than it already was. there were a lot of people in the house so someone easily could have been offed.

 

[george29]

This is going to sound like BS but I swear it's true. I was at the time a young LEO and the only two guns in my home was my Beretta 1934 .380 9 CORTO and my S&W M-60. The Beretta was always kept in condition 3 - always!
At the time, I was renting a house with a history, a very active history that manifested itself in unnerving ways like swinging chandeliers, clocks going crazy, knocks from interior walls, footsteps and waking me up everynight at 2am. My only witnesses were my two dogs (long in doggy heaven) who growled and bared fangs at nothing I could see.
My one and only AD happened in this house.
It was a terrible thunderstorm outside, vicious winds howling so my house and everyone elses was closed up tight as a drum. My alarm clock rang at it's regular time and as usual I reached over to whack it shut (usually around 4:30am). This particular morning my whack is answered by a KaBoom!!! I am not awake yet but my ears are ringing and I am in shock as I finally realize that my weapon just discharged into the wall opposite my bed putting a lovely hole in the cement filled cinderblock.
I was cringingly waiting to hear the sirens when I realized the outside storm covered up the discharge noise. I lost my grin when I realized the gun could just have easily been pointed at me.
I never , ever, ever have carried a semi-auto pistol at anything other than condition 3, even today. What possessed me (or something else) to rack in a round in the middle of the night still has me wondering, but I have no doubt it was linked to whatever lurked in that house. I vacated at the end of the lease of course.

 

[MudPuppy]

No ghosts related to mine, I was at the non-haunted gun range and--with muzzle downrange--charged my AK and it fired upon entering (I hope) battery.

The hammer retaining pin had backed out, so the hammer didn't engage the sear and followed the bolt forward. Scary, but sort of relieved when I saw what had happened and proper application of the shepherd's hook made it all better. My brother still wouldn't shoot it after that. And he kept an eye on me till we left the range.

 

[orvpark]

I was at a range firing an old Iver Johnson revolver. I thought it was empty ... for reasons I will never figure out, I pulled the trigger, and it fired one more round. I was still pointing it down range, so no harm ... no foul.
Now ... how is that embarrasing???????


It was only a 5 shot revolver .......
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I did the same...............with the same gun :banghead:

Also when I was about 10, I was deer hunting sitting up against a tree. At the time I saw hunting as a good time to catch a nap. I heard something coming my way and cocked the trigger of the old single shot and sat back with the gun across my lap and my finger on the trigger guard. I wait and wait with the deer never getting close enough for a shot......................An hour or so later I doze off, only to wake up to a smoking barrel. I forgot to let the hammer down!

My pop shows up about 10 min later excited I may have shot something................being scared I'd be in trouble I lied and we looked for blood for half an hour

 

[Mark K. C.]

Years ago I was sighting in a 30.06 and I had a spotting scope right next to me set up on the target. I put three shots down range and chambered another round then I leaned over to peek through the scope. Guess where my finger was? Yep- on the trigger. This went unnoticed by the few other people at the range but it was a lesson that I will never forget. The gun was on sandbags and never moved, but still in all....well you get the point.

 

[marksman13]

My pop shows up about 10 min later excited I may have shot something................being scared I'd be in trouble I lied and we looked for blood for half an hour

Hahahahahahahahahahaha......I'm still in the floor, because I did the exact same thing when I was about 11 years old. I think my dad was more upset that I had "missed" then he would have been about an ND.

I won't tell any thing else on myself, but the worst ND I have ever seen occured when I was in Iraq. Some knucklehead from 2/11 ACR managed to accidently/negligently fire the main gun of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle inside the F.O.B. That was a sight.

 

[U.S.SFC_RET]

My brothers and I were standing in a circle in '84 when I was holding a model 94 30-30 pointed in the middle and down in the dirt. I was pulling back the hammer and sqeezing the trigger while catching the hammer and repeating when the gun went off. Boom in the middle of that circle.
I never had a negligent discharge again. It can happen but that lesson taught me. I was a fool and fools mixed up with a gun can cause disastrous results.
Uncle killed himself with an "empty" 38 special in the neck. Showing his wife that it was unloaded after his wife asked him to not let his son play with that gun.
In law killed himself by trying to tease his twin brother who was talking on the phone. He cycled the 45, stood that round on the table and then ejected the magazine and thought the gun was unloaded. Tapped his brother on the shoulder and while his brother turned put that gun to his head and shot himself.
Treat every gun as if it is loaded

 

[abrink]

Well...It wasn't really my fault but here

 

[GlowinPontiac]

Had one when i was out hunting with my father at age 14. I was carrying my mossberg 20ga with the safety on and tripped over a fallen branch. i let go of the gun and used my hands to brace my fall and when the gun hit the ground it fired. luckily my father was slightly ahead and off to my right and the shot missed him by about 10 feet. not sure why it discharged as nothing hit the trigger and the safety was on. maybe it landed on a rock and the impact was enough to jar something loose inside.

 

[LiquidTension]

I've never had one. My grandfather on the other hand did have one with a .22 on the porch of the lake house. Went through the front door, through the interior wall, ricocheted off another wall and embedded in a wooden bed post.

 

[Tom Servo]

AD: Accidental discharge. Those happen through some sort of mechanical failure outside our control. I had one of those with a CZ-52 a few years back. When the slide slammed home on a chambered round, it went off. Fortunately, it just kicked up some dirt and gave me a good scare.

ND: Negligent Discharge. I've only had one, and it was minor. I'd been shooting revolvers exclusively, and a student asked me to shoot his 1911. My hands had forgotten about the short reset, and I pulled an inadvertent double-tap.

Beyond that, I've been incredibly fortunate. I know that everyone should expect to have one, and that keeps me on my toes. I've seen and heard of too many from experienced, safe shooters to think I'll always be immune.

 

[jrfoxx]

never had one, and am VERY anal and diligent to do all I can to try to ensure I never do.I REALLY hope that is one goal I accomplish, but I am all to aware that we are all human, and sometimes humans get distracted, get lazy, complacent, stupid, or just plain slip up for a split second at the wrong time, and sometimes that tiny slip for a split second can really have a bad result.

I'm not excusing or justifying ND's, or saying they are inevitable or not preventable, just pointing out how easy it can be to have one momentary slip at the wrong time, in spite of the best of knowledge, training, and intentions.

Kudos to all those that had one, and owned up to the mistake like a man, and posted here to help us all out with showing what can happen, how, and learning things me may not have thought of to help prevent them.

ETA: unless you count a wierd double tap/bump fire kinda thing at the range with a 1911. That did happen to me once, and I'm still not sure just how I did it, but nothing was found wrong with the gun, and I have not ever had ANY issues with that same gun in 5 years since, (or had anything like it happen with any other gun either)so it had to be me. It was really crazy, and surprised the heck out of me. Sure would like to know exactly what I did (or what combination of things) so I can make sure it doesnt happen again. upside is that I was at a range, firing at a target, and it happend so fast and unexpectedly, and while I was concentrating on aiming my shot, that both rounds hit the target only a couple inches apart, so as far as ND's go, thats pretty optimal from a safety standpoint, but still really scared and bugged me, since if things had been different when it happened, the results may not have been quite as much of a non-event

I guess that really would count, as I did fire a round I didnt intend to, so there goes my "no ND" record I guess....
Still, If your gonna have one to "get it out of your system", thats one of the best ways to do it!

 

[LaVere]

I had a small pocket 25 auto I don't recall the maker. but the barrel tipped up.
Anyway while in a friends car by myself I wanted to unload and clear to take the gun indoors. I removed the magazine, racked the slide to remove the one in the tube. Replaced the loaded magazine, released the slide. I then pointed at the flood board. Wait not a good idea and pointed it out through the open door at the ground. pulled the trigger Blammmmm Oh! Damn the gun has a voice.

No one even close to hurt and no one even looked my way, there was not a hole in the floor board. And last but not least. That took place 45 years ago I have never forgot that lesson and remember it every time I handle a hand gun.
double check then check again.
Never ever happened again.

 

[makarovnik]

Ive been carrying daily for over 10 years and it's never happened. Lucky, I don't think so.

 

[Fast_Ed]

Got 2.

1. Deer hunting with friends in shotgun zone. Using Savage 720, kinda like a Browning A-5. Put shell in chamber and pushed bolt release button. Bolt moves forward and gun fires. Slug puts hole in road I am standing on as it was pointed down. Turns out firing pin was broken and jammed in hole. When it went forward it hit the primer on the shell and fired it. Don't know when firing pin broke. This is a real case of mechanical failure and I would not consider it an AD or a ND.

2. Deer hunting with friends. Coming off a drive in the worst, thick, impenetrable junk I ever walked through. Carrying a Rem 700 ADL. Unloading gun to case up before getting in the cars. Gun pointed out into the hinterlands. Push safety forward to unlock bolt. Gun fires. No idea why. Trigger was still stock and had not been "fooled" with. Could not and have not been able to duplicate in subsequent 15 years of trying with that gun. Could have been Rem safety problem, my finger on the trigger, or weeds or branches stuck in trigger. Couldn't figure it out then and still have no idea why. Don't know whether to classify as AD or ND or mechanical problem.

That's it for me... so far.

Fast Ed

 

[boredelmo]

GlowinPontiac, I have heard that shotguns are not drop safe.

 

[45Guy]

Closest thing I've had to either was shooting my Grandpa's single action
.44 for the first time.

He didn't tell me it had a veeerryy light trigger. I had it rested against a 2x4 aiming at the 25yd target. Had cocked the hammer, and was bringing my finger onto the trigger when it went off! My finger hurt for most of the day from the recoil, as it went off when my finger was halfway up the trigger.

On the upside, I hit the edge of the
9-ring. That's my first and last shot to date with a .44 magnum.

 

[z9m9z]

trusting the "safety"

long ago and far away, i had 2 rather old pistols. each had a safety, a lever on the left side that I could push up for on or down for off. in separate instances long time apart, with the gun cocked, i decided to take the safety off. In the first incident, at first i thought about aiming in an unsafe direction, but decided it was stupid to take a chance even though all I was doing was taking the safety off. so instead of the unsafe direction, i pointed the pistol at the upper corner of the room i was in and pushed the safety off ... ... the BLAM that immediately occurred scared the absolute s**t out of me, as did the hole high in the wall ... i was deeply shaken that had i disobeyed the safety rules i'd been taught, someone would surely have been hurt or killed. Since then I take no chances whatsoever. Even so, after it happened again with a different pistol, I tend not to trust "safety"s.

 

[mike101]

Does ND stand for 'never did', because I never did. Knock on wood. It must be that pesky Rule #1.

 

[brigadier]

I'll spare the details but I have had a couple. No injuries.

 

[Aaryq]

I was shooting with my friend on his farm with our .22 single shots. I had a J.C. Higgins Model 103. I don't know if it's an ND or an AD because I don't know anyone else who owns a 103. Anyway, I had taken my ear plugs out and was chewing the fat with him while keeping my rifle pointed down range. Thinking I had shot already, lifted the bolt and the hammer fell on a live round. It hit the target and nothing else, but golly gee willickers, how about a scary moment...and an embrassing one since I was giving my friend a few pointers on gun handling safety.

OK AQ

 

[Zedo]

You people scare me --

 

[Quezzmo]

Witnessed a ND

My son and I were at the rifle range. Next to us came another father and son pair. They laid their rifle on the bench and were waiting for the range master to call a cease fire so they could post their targets. I was standing back watching my boy shoot when I saw the other boy, 16 or 17 years old, reach for the rifle on the bench to pick it up. He gripped it through the trigger guard and the gun went off. It was still in it's unzipped case so when it went off cotton stuffing flew every where. The only saving grace was that it was still pointed own range.

 

[crotalus01]

When I was 13 I had an old bolt action 22lr rifle that was given to me by my grandfather (it was his when he was a teen so it was OLD). I had just finished cleaning and oiling it and decided to chamber a round to make sure the action was smooth (STUPID). It chambered just fine, but the bolt stuck when I went to eject it. Being young and stupid, I pointed the barrel at the ceiling of my grandparents house, placed my left hand right at the end of the barrel, my right hand on the bolt and smacked the butt of the rifle on the floor in an attempt to force the bolt open and BLAM...got some powder burns on my left hand and the hole is still in my grandparents ceiling to this day. Thankfully noone else was home at the time. My finger was most definitely not on the trigger, and the bolt did come open, ejecting the spent round. Needless to say I never did that again, and it gave me a healthy respect for guns as I could have easily shot myself through the hand or worse in the face. My ears rang for quite a while, and it really scared the living crap out of me.