Over oil a gun?

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Warp said:
That video is pretty dumb, all things considered.

A lot of people who don't want more lube say it is because of dust dirt debris etc...well if you just throw lube on and then shoot it, once, in what is effectively a perfectly clean environment (for the gun), that isn't going to happen. As an example.
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I agree. They missed a perfect opportunity to load it up with dirt and sand after drenching it with oil. InRangeTV did a mud test on several firearms, wet, sloppy, gritty Arizona mud. Those were some more informative, albeit informal, tests than the Vickers video.

The only time my AR has failed on me is when I changed lubrication methods and materials, and turned it into a single shot, manual straight pull bolt action that would stovepipe every other round.

Lubrication isn't rocket surgery, there are right and wrong ways to do it.
 
I think if you have a Glock it doesn't matter much

I've fired them dry, wet, and gooped up on gop, and they haven't failed.

I think lubrication is probably less critical for Glocks than Glock owners would like to believe. I have heard that the number one reason Glocks go back to Glock is because they are over-lubricated. It may be an Internet rumor - I have no idea...

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USAF_Vet said:
I agree. They missed a perfect opportunity to load it up with dirt and sand after drenching it with oil. InRangeTV did a mud test on several firearms, wet, sloppy, gritty Arizona mud. Those were some more informative, albeit informal, tests than the Vickers video.
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why?.....how often are you wallowing around in the mud with your firearms?
 
frog lube isnt an oil.....its paste like consistency makes it behave more like a grease than anything....
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FL comes in both paste and liquid form. The liquid is pretty much an oil consistency.


C0untZer0,

You fixin to bake that Glock or what? :D
 
It does depend on the gun. I have a 1919A4 Browning and when we take it out for a day's shooting we literally pour oil into the workings until it runs out the bottom, and then add more oil as the day goes on. That gun works best when it's dripping wet. I had a Ma Deuce years ago, and it liked oil the same way. Of course there's no wooden stock on either gun so.....
 
The cold weather (Montana and Alaska) is the reason that I leave all of my firearms dry, lube and wipe. I have had misfires and crappy trigger pulls due to gelling of the oils.

In southern climates I don't have experience, but can picture dust, burned powder, and general contamination being a problem. In general, the oil itself is not the problem.
 
At my last requalification training the armorer took possession of my gun "for cleaning and inspection" :rolleyes: It was returned to me practically dripping wet for the practice course of fire. That kind of annoyed me. I went on to experience three malfunctions. Three, during fifty rounds.

The malfunctions were "stovepipes" to be exact. Once I saw a shell protruding vertically through the top of the slide I thought "oh so that's why they call it a stovepipe". I had only heard of it. Never before had I experienced a single malfunction in the thousands of rounds that I fired through that gun.

If the intent of this apparent over-zealous lubrication was to induce malfunctions for training purposes, it worked :D I got home, cleaned the filth, and lubricated it in the usual manner I had been doing for five years - according to its instructions. It returned to the reliable firearm I've been used to, and has been so ever since.

The lesson here is that there is a proper way to lubricate a gun. Anything else is improper.
 
Also, if you over oil the bore, I hope you have a good AD&D insurance policy.
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I was surprised nobody else mentioned this. A bunch of oil laying in the bore is called a "barrel obstruction".

I have an SKS that still had a tiny bit of packing grease inside the bolt on the firing pin. Never caused a problem until I took it out in winter and it turned into an auto.
 
TimSr said:
I was surprised nobody else mentioned this. A bunch of oil laying in the bore is called a "barrel obstruction".

I have an SKS that still had a tiny bit of packing grease inside the bolt on the firing pin. Never caused a problem until I took it out in winter and it turned into an auto.
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LMAO! That happened to me with my first SKS. Ever since I make sure I can here the FP rattle and only load 2 rounds first time out trying one.:rolleyes:
 
stchman said:
So the guns ran fine after being literally submerged in oil.
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Two points:
1. I don't know what type of oil was used in this test. It looked rather thin to me; not what I use on my guns.

2. Since only a few rounds were fired from each gun, the test didn't address the real problem of overlubing - which is the oil mixing with carbon, unburned powder & other firing residue & creating a thick sludge that can slow the firing pin's travel & other parts that require proper timing in an auto. Firing 10 - 20 rounds proves nothing because that's not enough firing to create that situation.

The test did show another unmentioned issue of too much lube: When you fire the gun that way, the excess lube gets sprayed into your face & eyes (which may not be protected in a defensive situation.)
 
Ever heard of oil bath air filters? Take a sopping oily wet gun to a dusty range on a windy day.
 
Too much oil or grease in the wrong spot is not good on some weapons.

On my G3, you aren't supposed to oil the rollers because that will gather carbon and fouling and could seize them up, jamming the gun.
 
jeepnik said:
Hey, if they used the same version of the M16 I did, they were telling the truth. Crappy design that took decades to improve into a barely acceptable combat arm.
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My M4 worked very well overseas. So calling it barely acceptable is a stretch by any means. Round and lubrication enhancements since Vietnam, and even since Iraq version 1 have really changed how reliable the M16/M4 platform are. Now more malfunctions are magazine related and not firearm related.

stchman said:
You can't over oil a gun. Any excess oil will drip off when you wipe it down. Oil does not embed itself into the metal causing jams. Now you can over-grease a gun, but I rarely use gun grease.
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Why bother wiping it down? If, by your opinion, you cannot over oil a firearm why bother to wipe it at all? Dunk the whole weapon, ammo and all into a tank of CLP. Try to fire it. If it even fires you will probably get some oil splash in your eyes. Snide comments aside, yes you can over lube a firearm.
 
herrwalther said:
My M4 worked very well overseas. So calling it barely acceptable is a stretch by any means. Round and lubrication enhancements since Vietnam, and even since Iraq version 1 have really changed how reliable the M16/M4 platform are. Now more malfunctions are magazine related and not firearm related.



Why bother wiping it down? If, by your opinion, you cannot over oil a firearm why bother to wipe it at all? Dunk the whole weapon, ammo and all into a tank of CLP. Try to fire it. If it even fires you will probably get some oil splash in your eyes. Snide comments aside, yes you can over lube a firearm.
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As I said, decades to improve the darned thing. A lot of folks had to put up with what to the guys who used them were unserviceable weapons before they got it almost right. And heck, some folks in the military finally decided they wanted a bigger hole and the 6.8 spc came about.

I own an AR, and I own a Scout/Squad. Guess which one I'll pick up it counts. The AR is a range gun pure and simple.
 
My Henry .22 hates to run wet, but I've always chalked that up to it being a .22 and fouling fairly quickly. My PT24/7 Pro, however, loves oil.
 
Yes, you can over oil a gun; oil in places like a gas cylinder can burn and cake, disabling the gun. But the WORST you can do to a gun is to take it all the way down when you don't know what the heck you are doing, then try to put it back together with a big hammer.

Jim
 
stchman said:
I own several striker fired pistols and none of them have had ill effects. What's so special about the XD striker?
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It's not just XDs. Too much oil in the channel can slow down the striker getting misfires. Call SA and ask about it.
 
After I put it all together, I wipe everything down and put firearm away
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I wipe everything down
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Oil it all you want, but if you wipe it down properly, you are removing any excess. And I don't mean dump a bunch of oil in the action then just wipe down the outside.

I have had gummed up firing pins, triggers, and bolts in several different guns. It was the result of too much and/or the wrong kind of lube.
 
You certainly can. Revolver chambers should not be left wet as it can lead to extremely sticky extraction.

Striker channels can be over lubed, as has been pointed out several times already.

Oil can penetrate primers rendering them inert, so excessive oiling on a breach face or blast shield may affect loaded ammo.

Excessive oil can dry out in places causing internals to stick. Case in point, my SP101 feels a tad sticky when pulling the trigger, since I haven't shot it in quite awhile. That means it's time to tear it apart and clean the old dried up oil out of the action.
 
entropy said:
Nor has he tried to fire any overoiled firearms in cold weather......:evil:
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People can use all the little devil emoticons they want.

I have been cleaning and lubing my firearms the same way for years. I have near trouble free operation, so I am going to stick with what works for me.

Yes, I have shot my guns in really cold weather and they functioned just fine.
 
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