"PAPERS PLEASE!" Or, an encounter with a California Sherrif's Deputy.

[R.H. Lee]

FW, I don't know the last time you lived in California, but your assessment is unnecessarily pessimistic. California is a huge state, with 2 (3, if you count Sacramento) big urban lefty areas. The majority of this state is rural with a gunowning population. I'd be willing to bet there are more gunowners here than in any other state in the Union.

 

[Werewolf]

RileyMC postulated that:

I'd be willing to bet there are more gunowners here than in any other state in the Union.

Yeah - you're probably right but considering who controls the legislature I'd have to ask, "BUT for how long? Once the legislature takes them all away there won't be any legal gunowners at all"!

 

[EghtySx]

I'd be willing to bet there are more gunowners here than in any other state in the Union.

More than in Texas?

 

[R.H. Lee]

Well, the total Texas population is around 22 million. California population is around 35 million. So, yeah, more gunowners here than in Texas.

 

[50 Shooter]

Even the anti's in Kali have guns.

Just goes to show how screwed up they are.

 

[JPL]

He wrote the serial number down?

Congratulations, your gun has just been registered.

 

[secamp32]

You people in Kal should not be allowed to own .50 cal

According to what I've heard on the news thoses things can miss their target in Kal and hit a poor, innocent bystander here in NY. No one should be allowed to own such a powerful killing machine.

 

[Logistics]

maybe some LEO's here could give advice.....

Maybe some LEOs here could give insight into what non compliance about the "may I see the serial # on your gun" issue might bring. Do you have a choice? Is there any way to say no politely while not going to jail? I am not familiar with what range this happened at nor am I familiar with California law. However it seems that no laws were broken so I am curious if anyone has any thoughts on this.....

thanks

~L

 

[Shalako]

Whats killing us here in California is the moderates. Thanks, but we don't need their help. The ones I am talking about are those that favor gun ownership but try to sound reasonable by saying no one needs a .50. I'd rather they just kept their pie-hole shut than caving half-way-in to the anti's demands.

Case in point, conservative talk show hosts Armstrong and Getty last week were discussing the San Fran Ban and saying how lame it was. They agreed that it would only create a victim rich environment. But then, to sound moderate and reasonable, because they don't want to come off as "psycho gun nuts", they opine that no one needs a .50 caliber rifle. "You'd have to be a nutcase to want one." Also, one said that no one needs a "15 round clip".

That is the moderate, caving-in, BS "reasonableness" that will do us in. You all know that no one can decide better than you what you need to defend yourself or your family. Who better than you to decide if 15 rounds is enough, 12 rounds, or if only 10 is all you need. Why let some doofuss anti draw the line for my safety. Also, what is the fundamental difference between a .50 bmg and a .338 win mag? 250 grain bullets are OK but 750grain is bad? Why draw the line at 750gr? Maybe 300grain is all you need to be "reasonable"???

Ok, I vereed off topic again. Sorry, but this really gets me steamed.

 

[R.H. Lee]

And you're exactly right, Shalako. "Moderates" are those people too cowardly to take a position and stick with it. They're uncommitted to any principles whatsoever.

 

[armoredman]

If there are more gun owners in Cali than any other state, why are their laws and legislators so anti, and crazy? Why does little Vermont, and wide open empty Alaska get it right, with so few people, ergo, much fewer gun owners?
Hmmmm, Californians, please wake up now.

 

[Shalako]

I think we have more "Do-Gooders". These are the people that think they are better because they are actively trying to progress our society into Utopia.

Conversely, the rest of us just want them to leave us the heck alone and keep their intentions to themselves.

 

[jlwatts3]

I live in the Bay area, and at 23 I am just starting to get really interested in shooting, firearms, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good way to participate in the preservation of RKBA around here? I am pretty much broke so I can't send $ but I would like to do my part.

PM me with any ideas please.

Thanks in advance.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Buys guns and join the NRA, CRPA, GOA and JPFO.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I'm sure I'll always miss the temperate climate and beaches.

 

[jefnvk]

Mixlesplick its not registration its a saftey check

Then why does it say right on the back: 'A check for operational or mechanical defects has not been made of this pistol'

And why do you need to have it at all times when using the pistol?

 

[Jack T.]

Mixlesplick its not registration its a saftey check. The clerk has to remind me of that every single time. I have to remind her not to cover me with the muzzle.

Whatever the heck it is, I have been here 4 months, and because of this law, I am already seeking employment back in a free state.

 

[Sean85746]

I apologize!

I was a deputy for 2 years before joining the Dark Side and becoming a fed. Rest assured that we are not all jacka$$e$!

I would have politely walked up to you and said:

"Wow, now that's bitchin!"

Followed by: "How does it shoot?"

Then, I'd have shaken your hand and told my buddies what a cool rifle I saw at the range that day.

I have had the oppurtunity to shoot a pretty good variety of guns that are either exotic or obscure during my career in LE, just by being polite, and letting folks know I wasn't an "anti-gun cop". A few that jump immediately to mind are a 20's vintage Tommy Gun with a 50 rnd snail drum magazine, and a Bren Ten, ans a Schmeisser MP-40, as well as an antique full tilt Lewis gun.

Then again, I was born and raised here in Arizona, where my Grandmother did the banking for my Pap's gas stations with an ivory-stocked Colt Detective's Special in her apron pocket.

By the way...I still have that little Detective's Special...

 

[CGofMP]

I say the following not to dis anyone, but to point out someting I believe is important.

The original poster says that he has both the time and the money to fight this sort of flagrant ...dare I use the word 'abuse' by someone behind a badge. He also notes that he will not be doing so.

I DO NOT think I have the right to spend ANYONE's money for them, but I'd like to gently suggest a second look at that policy.

Having the time and the financial means to stand up to thi sort of thing but not having the will to do so is in my humble opinion unfortunate. Many of us, have neither time nor money to do so and frankly, it is those of us who do NOT have the means who will be hurt later and have no way around a bastardized system.

To those of you who have the ability but not the will to stand up and fight for YOUR rights, please remember that you are also fighting for OUR rights and that of other Californians and Americans as well.

Standing up for your own rights may well be the best community service you could offer to your neighbors.

*Soapbox Collapsing under my weight*

Charles

 

[Selfdfenz]

If this was a privately owned, commercial range I would find the owner and describe what happen and supply the officer's name and badge number if I had it.

As a businessman or woman having LEO snooping around my range recording serial numbers is something I would want to be aware of pronto. I would call this guys boss and ask him or her what that activity was all about.

This kind of thing could have a very negative impact on the number of people coming to that range if it became widely know the cops were recording serial numbers at random. I think a lawyer could stop this pretty quick especially if it was just this one range and just certain people being checked or specific types of weapons.

I do know this. The first time any range I go to knowingly let's this happen, and does nothing, is the last time I go there. Life is too short to pay for the honor of being hasseled by ill informed police officers.

S-

 

[jefnvk]

Whatever the heck it is, I have been here 4 months, and because of this law, I am already seeking employment back in a free state.

They give you problems getting the license? The ladies I have to go are always friendly and nice.

 

[artherd]

Then, I'd have shaken your hand and told my buddies what a cool rifle I saw at the range that day.

Not if you ran into me, then you'd be telling your buddies about the gun you got to SHOOT that day




Thinking back, I probally should have asked the SD if he had any probable cause to belive that a crime had been committed? (answer: no) Then why do you need to see the serial number of my gun?

Then again, he could have just read it off the thing in plain view, Barrett SNs are rather larger than say Glock SNs.

My gun was registered when I filed out the 4473, let's be honest here.

 

[beerslurpy]

Yeah FL rocks. I used to think CA was the best state until I left it and realized that there are states where you actually end up keeping most of your income and be able to afford a house AND save most of your income.

No smog testing.
No bad gun laws except the federal ones.
Shall issue CCW.
Good self defense laws.
Loads of transferrable NFA stuff.
Cheap real estate.
A yearly budget surplus with no income tax and low property tax.

Downside is horrible education and child welfare system. Dont move here if you have kids. Then again, its probably better than SoCal.

 

[Trebor]

Then why does it say right on the back: 'A check for operational or mechanical defects has not been made of this pistol'

And why do you need to have it at all times when using the pistol?

The Michigan "Safety Inspection" is a form of registration. It dates back to 1927. It was called a "safety inspection" because registration was not a popular idea with the majority at that time. The idea was to keep handguns out of the hands of blacks by forcing them to apply at the local PD or Sheriff's Dept. At this point, many police agencies have given up on the pretense and flat out hand out info or post signs on how you "register" your pistol.

Btw, there is no statuatory requirement that you need to have the green card "with you at all times when using the pistol." Many cops believe that is the case, but it is not actually written into the law.

 

[patentnonsense]

Another horror story from Kali -
but all you Californians here, have you joined your state association?
The website is http://www.crpa.org/, and it's only $18 to join.

Your politicians and media may be corrupt, but there is an active grassroots organization which needs your support.