Pistol caliber carbine poll / semi-autos only

Which currently made semi-auto pistol caliber carbine would you want?

  • AR Type / Just Right Carbine / Aero Survival / etc.

    Votes: 78 21.6%

  • Beretta CX4 Storm

    Votes: 46 12.7%

  • CZ Skorpion EVO 3 S1

    Votes: 52 14.4%

  • Kel-Tec Sub 2000

    Votes: 30 8.3%

  • Kriss Vector CRB

    Votes: 15 4.2%

  • Ruger PC Carbine

    Votes: 142 39.3%

  • Sig MPX Carbine

    Votes: 32 8.9%

  • Tavor X95

    Votes: 13 3.6%

  • Uzi style rifle (such as RMUZ 09)

    Votes: 7 1.9%

  • Wilkinson Arms Linda

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Zenith Z-5 (H&K 5 derived carbine)

    Votes: 14 3.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 26 7.2%

  • Hi-Point

    Votes: 34 9.4%

  • Auto Ordnance Thompson

    Votes: 25 6.9%
  • Total voters
    361
  • Poll closed .
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kBob said:
I got to say that stock does look Kewl and admit that the only reason I never bought a Hi Point was I could not find a reliable source of ATI's deformed clone of that stock for el cheapo carbine.
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You can buy them right from ATI. I got mine on there New Years sale for like $53 shipped. Came in a week.

https://www.atioutdoors.com/hi-point-stock
 
someguy2800 said:
You can buy them right from ATI. I got mine on there New Years sale for like $53 shipped. Came in a week.
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From their site

Does not fit the new Hi-Point 995TS due to manufacturer's new retaining clips and new receiver shroud.
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If someone made a nicer looking stock for under 100 bucks I would have purchased a Hi-Point already. The people who have them say they're accurate and reliable. But unfortunately, if I were to buy one new - besides the ugliness, I'm stuck with a really odd sight arrangement.
 
I have read you can put the 995ts in the ATI stock with some minor modifications. I've never looked into it since mine is the original.
 
chicharrones... congrats on your CX4. I also added to my PCC herd yesterday, I picked up a Sub2000 M&P 9mm. I have wanted a Sub2000 forever, and got a good deal on mine. Its the last gun on my bucket list, and Im looking forward to warmer weather so I can make some noise with it.
 
FWIW.... you could put a riser under the Red Dot... BUT with it mounted down on the rail you can use the sights through it if the battery dies or you need it fast and forgot to turn the sight on. Co-witness on the sights is a nice bonus. Since the dot sights are not parallax critical I find that I can cheek hard to use the factory sights/check the co-witness but in general use, cheek the gun more gently and float the dot for fast and fun shooting.
 
kBob said:
Chich,

Here I thought you liked good old 'Merican cooking and you done went and gone all Eye-talian on us!

. . .

Sprinkle some parmigian on that thing and let us know how it shoots!

-kBob
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My Cajun wife made some homemade meatball soup this week. I guess meatballs made me think of Italian food and then the CX4 happened? :)

I'm hoping to break it in this coming week. All I've done so far is bust some snap caps in it. :D
 
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chicharrones said:
The main reason I wanted a magazine-in-the-grip carbine is because the gun can have an overall shorter length (muzzle to butt) while still having a 16" barrel. :)
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You probably meant to add "and didn't cost a kidney", because
https://iwi.us/product/tavor-x95-9mm/
P.S. Wait, it was even included in your poll. I looked at Gunbroker and people ask $1700+ for them. Good grief.
 
Yep.

I really want an X95 but the cheapest I've ever seen them is $1480~ish an they aren't coming down in price.

Maybe that is one of the side-effects of being a military contractor. You have all these units that you produce for the military and any production that goes to civilian sales is just gravy so why lower the price ?
 
zaitcev said:
You probably meant to add "and didn't cost a kidney", because
https://iwi.us/product/tavor-x95-9mm/
P.S. Wait, it was even included in your poll. I looked at Gunbroker and people ask $1700+ for them. Good grief.
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A bullpup in 9mm would be nice, but that price and the fact that gun weighs 7.9 lbs definitely kept it from my consideration.

The Beretta is over 2 lbs. lighter, although I'm sure I'll pay for that lightness in blowback felt recoil. :)
 
chicharrones said:
A bullpup in 9mm would be nice, but that price and the fact that gun weighs 7.9 lbs definitely kept it from my consideration.

The Beretta is over 2 lbs. lighter, although I'm sure I'll pay for that lightness in felt recoil. :)
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The recoil on mine was certainly noticeable for a PCC. The noise it generated however, is was fantastic - there was almost none.

EDIT: Just checked the price of the Cx4 online and it's $750. I can't justify a re-purchase at that price with the Ruger being $250 less or better.
 
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Havok7416 said:
The recoil on mine was certainly noticeable for a PCC. The noise it generated however, is was fantastic - there was almost none.

EDIT: Just checked the price of the Cx4 online and it's $750. I can't justify a re-purchase at that price with the Ruger being $250 less or better.
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I found mine in a local gun shop that sells on slim margins for $632.00. More than likely still more expensive than a Ruger PCC when they arrive, but the CX4 came with 2 magazines, a spare side rail, and a usable hard case that helped soften the blow. :)

Due to the reports of the Ruger's good trigger and Ruger's choice of barrel profile, I'm sure the Ruger will be one of the most accurate pistol caliber carbines out there. :cool:
 
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chicharrones said:
I found mine in a local gun shop that sells on slim margins for $632.00. More than likely still more expensive than a Ruger PCC when they arrive, but the CX4 came with 2 magazines, a spare side rail, and a usable hard case that helped soften the blow. :)

Due to the reports of the Ruger's good trigger and Ruger's choice of barrel profile, I'm sure the Ruger will be one of the most accurate pistol caliber carbines out there. :cool:
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Accuracy with the Ruger has been reported as 1/2" at 50 yards. If it's even double that I'll be thrilled. I can't remember where I saw that though.
 
chicharrones said:
A bullpup in 9mm would be nice, but that price and the fact that gun weighs 7.9 lbs definitely kept it from my consideration.

The Beretta is over 2 lbs. lighter, although I'm sure I'll pay for that lightness in blowback felt recoil. :)
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I agree. I really like the Tavor but I think it's too much gun for a 9mm. Same for the AR, although you can put together an AR that's much lighter than the Tavor.
 
Well those Tavors weren't designed around 9mm to begin with, I think the 9mm kit by itself is still a good $900. I paid way more than I should have for my 9mm AUG kit, but I also like it nearly as much as my SBR MP5 too. 9mm carbines are so much fun, you'd think it was illegal somehow.
 
Havok7416 said:
Accuracy with the Ruger has been reported as 1/2" at 50 yards. If it's even double that I'll be thrilled. I can't remember where I saw that though.
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I seem to recall that claim too. It surprised me because the sight rail is on the receiver and the gun is a takedown. The whole assembly must be very rigid, and how is it accomplished? Very curious!
 
I haven't seen that claim that it makes 1/2" groups at 50 yards. I'm assuming that is from a bench rest?

It doesn't have a floating barrel so that is going to affect accuracy, I guess maybe if you wanted to hunt squirrels with it at 100 yards this would be important ?

When HK introduced the 94 to the U.S. they had an accurized version - the HK94SG1 carbine. It was supposed to be like a 9mm "sniper" rifle. I could have purchased one but I thought it was too expensive. Man I kick myself for not buying it...

HK94SG1.jpg

This picture is from a magazine fold-out - that's why it is a little wavy toward the front - right before the front sight. :)
 
Looking at the design it makes sense to me that there could be significant camming force with the adjustable nut so that the barrel would be very rigid with the action. Still 1 moa from a 9mm seams pretty darn optimistic given the bullets available and the fact that the forend is hanging off the barrel. If it could deliver even 3 moa I would consider that pretty amazing. I have a 300 blackout AR I built in anticipation of getting a suppressor but if this ruger can truely deliver that kind of accuracy I think I will rethink that as 147gr 9mm would be a fraction of the cost to load.
 
C0untZer0

When HK introduced the 94 to the U.S. they had an accurized version - the HK94SG1 carbine. It was supposed to be like a 9mm "sniper" rifle.
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Now that's one I don't remember seeing anywhere, not even in any magazine articles. I did have a Sterling Mk.VI semi-auto with the 16" barrel that was a lot of fun to play with but wasn't very accurate beyond 50 yards.
 
I am guessing that the Ruger is easily capable of 2 MOA based upon my experience. I was shooting a variety of ammo at 50 yards, and consistently keeping it at 2 inches, with a couple of groups around 1. This was offhand using a 2 MOA red dot.

As to lockup, it is solid. I am not surprised, since this is actually an improvement on the 10/22 take down, and that rifle is rock solid.
 
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