Time for me to inject something,,,uh, dumb. What about a scout handgun? Some of the attributes Cooper and you guys advocate for are fulfilled by a good hunting handgun. Say a Ruger Super Blackhawk, scoped, with a 7.5" barrel. Am I way out of line for bringing this up? It's light, portable, accurate at some pretty impressive distances. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion. Or what about an Encore?
Please explain the "Scout Rifle"
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Sergeant Sabre
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I don't know what a scoped single-action six-shooter would bring to the table that the M-4 with an Aimpoint does not.
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What's wrong with romantic notions espoused by gentlemen? I ask you, what could be wrong with that?
Any firearm can be pushed into an attempt at performing a role it isn't particularly suited for. The Scout rifle concept isn't appropriate to modern small unit tactics. Of course not. It isn't intended to be. Accept that and drive on, or don't.
Sure, the COL's ideas about what a scout should be are based on WWII and earlier infantry tactics - he was a WWII Marine officer! Why is it surprising that he wasn't as versed in, or convinced of the efficacy of, modern tactics, as he was in the ones he used in the Pacific island campaign?
No need to denigrate him, or the idea. It isn't a modern military arm. It's probably a really useful hunting/field/only rifle. A general purpose rifle. As, by his descriptions in his various writings, it was intended to be.
I think they're odd-looking, personally, and the balance feels odd, too, on the ones I've handled. The aiming procedure would take some getting used to. I don't have one, and am not likely to in the foreseeable future. I'll be sticking with conventional rifle setups for my hunting arms, and AR15 carbines for my combat rifle fantasies.
Any firearm can be pushed into an attempt at performing a role it isn't particularly suited for. The Scout rifle concept isn't appropriate to modern small unit tactics. Of course not. It isn't intended to be. Accept that and drive on, or don't.
Sure, the COL's ideas about what a scout should be are based on WWII and earlier infantry tactics - he was a WWII Marine officer! Why is it surprising that he wasn't as versed in, or convinced of the efficacy of, modern tactics, as he was in the ones he used in the Pacific island campaign?
No need to denigrate him, or the idea. It isn't a modern military arm. It's probably a really useful hunting/field/only rifle. A general purpose rifle. As, by his descriptions in his various writings, it was intended to be.
I think they're odd-looking, personally, and the balance feels odd, too, on the ones I've handled. The aiming procedure would take some getting used to. I don't have one, and am not likely to in the foreseeable future. I'll be sticking with conventional rifle setups for my hunting arms, and AR15 carbines for my combat rifle fantasies.
Don357
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In a 'self defence' role, nothing. But in a short range hunting role, lots. Manueverability, (especially in a tree stand), heavier bullet weight, and your hands are free while you hike to your stand. And there are other beneficial qualities as well, such as being able to use only one hand and shoot behind you without turning completely around.
Sergeant Sabre
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Yes, I do like handgun-hunting.
I have a Savage Scout in 7mm-08 and a Burris 2-7x scope. I am very happy with it, although I think I would like to replace the scope with a Leupold Scout Scope. It is light and short, very handy to carry in thick woods and get in and out of the pickup. Much flatter shooter than 30-30. Box magazines are pretty fast to reload. Forward mounted scope enables not just stripper clips, which would require a clip guide (no particular gunsmithing challenge there), but also clearing jams and field expedient maintenance, like clearing junk out of action. Haven't needed that yet. 7mm-08 is a bit light for elk, but pretty good for anything smaller. Inexpensive, reliable, accurate, durable, easy maintenance, and capable all-around rifle. Good complement for 45-70 Marlin pickup gun for heavier game, .264 Magnum 30" barrel to reach out a ways, and .375 wildcat for long range BIG game. I don't plan on engaging in any military action any time soon.
P.S. Balance, ergonomics, safety and trigger, magazine release, sight acquisition, sight picture, situational awareness, rapid handling, shootability, and general all-around handiness are excellent. Really hard to beat. Love it.
P.S. Balance, ergonomics, safety and trigger, magazine release, sight acquisition, sight picture, situational awareness, rapid handling, shootability, and general all-around handiness are excellent. Really hard to beat. Love it.
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I built one from a short barreled Swedish Mauser. I liked the concept but disliked the optics. I removed the forward mounted scope and substituted a good set of aperture sights. For me, it accomplished the intention of the Scout concept. Lightweight, accurate and usable.
41 Mag
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While I initially read about it and considered the "scout" idea, I actually purchased a Ruger Compact chambered in .308 to work in this role for me. Like a lot of other comments, I simply could not get my head around the extended mounting of the scope, and I also don't like the idea of the detachable mag on my hunting rifles, which this was purchased for.
Over the past dozen or so years this little package has far exceeded my expectations for it's abilities. It was purchased to allow me to still hunt and stalk through some VERY thick river bottom areas, where rifles with barrels of 20 - 22" are almost prohibitive to use due to the vines and such. I also needed to have a scope in order to be able to pick a shot through this same brush and such with clarity. I chose a Burris 1.5x6 with the Electo dot feature. This has enabled me to make shots on black hogs up to the very last bit of light. It also features a duplex reticle in which the outer portions are very heavy and the inner are very fine. This allows for VERY fast acquisition when getting onto a moving target, but also precise placement on longer rang shots. With the whole package coming in at 6.5 pounds fully loaded with 5 rounds and a sling, it is a pleasure to carry, and with the barrel only being 16.5 long it lays in the crook of my arm and slips through the brush and vines with ease.
To date I, my grandson, and several friends have used it to take out a huge number of feral hogs at ranges measuring in feet to out past 400yds. To top it all off, it shoots the plain ol cheap factory Remington CL's into groups as good or better than my best handloads have been able to produce. If I were to use it as a defensive rifle, I have also customized two 10rnd clips based up on direction found a couple of years back. I have tried them for fit and function and while they work just fine, I would probably go with something else should I actually need a SHTF firearm.
Over the past dozen or so years this little package has far exceeded my expectations for it's abilities. It was purchased to allow me to still hunt and stalk through some VERY thick river bottom areas, where rifles with barrels of 20 - 22" are almost prohibitive to use due to the vines and such. I also needed to have a scope in order to be able to pick a shot through this same brush and such with clarity. I chose a Burris 1.5x6 with the Electo dot feature. This has enabled me to make shots on black hogs up to the very last bit of light. It also features a duplex reticle in which the outer portions are very heavy and the inner are very fine. This allows for VERY fast acquisition when getting onto a moving target, but also precise placement on longer rang shots. With the whole package coming in at 6.5 pounds fully loaded with 5 rounds and a sling, it is a pleasure to carry, and with the barrel only being 16.5 long it lays in the crook of my arm and slips through the brush and vines with ease.
To date I, my grandson, and several friends have used it to take out a huge number of feral hogs at ranges measuring in feet to out past 400yds. To top it all off, it shoots the plain ol cheap factory Remington CL's into groups as good or better than my best handloads have been able to produce. If I were to use it as a defensive rifle, I have also customized two 10rnd clips based up on direction found a couple of years back. I have tried them for fit and function and while they work just fine, I would probably go with something else should I actually need a SHTF firearm.
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My scout rifle is a Winchester Model 94 Trapper 44 Magnum carbine fitted with a Williams peep sight. Light, quick, fast target acquisition, and hard hitting. Mounts great on the front of a four wheeler or over the shoulder. Just my two cents.
35 Whelen
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You might note that everything in the first three paragraphs of the Col's. article was past tense describing what a scout, in a military sense, was.
Again, it appears you're injecting information to further some agenda or idea of your own. You continually go on and on with your ideas and beliefs that the Scout rifle
is not suited for the military, yet no one here is arguing that fact with you. And please explain to me where the need to be able to handle a 400 lb. + animal has military application. (Second time I've asked you)
O.K. we all get it. You don't have to say it again. No one's arguing the Scout concept in terms of military merit (other than you).
The fantasy must have merit since three manufacturers are now producing factory Scout rifles. And, I don't think the idea is any more of a fantasy than the Mall Ninja idea that one man with an M4, AR, AK, etc. and a handful of 30 round magazines is going to hold off a force of bad guys by himself.
And by the way, thanks for your service.
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Since seventy years back I've been a brush-bunny or woods-rat when out in the boonies. I've never had any indication that any other hunter ever saw me before I saw them. I've had people tell me that they hear other folks walk around in hunt camp, but they never hear me move.
With that in mind, then, when I first read Cooper's comments about the Scout rifle, I found it logical that a scout would be a solo individual. It seems that in the military sense, any contact with an enemy is a case of mission failure. A scout is supposed to do the sneaky-snake thing, gather information, and not be seen. If seen, a fast-acquisition shot and then practice being elsewhere ASAP.
Made sense to me.
Hunting? The .308 is good.
Weight? I've done many a dozen-mile walking hunt in rugged mountains with a 9.5-pound '06. I like my 6.5-pound 700 Ti much better, thank you.
Bolt action rifles are simple and accurate. Since it has been very rare that I ever needed a second shot in order to make a kill, the bolt-action deal has been quite sufficient for "firepower".
Personally I find the forward mounting of the scope to be a bit off-putting, but then I have many decades of conventional mounting. Old dogs and new tricks...
I'll likely never bother to buy a Scout. But I see no reason for most of the negative comments made about them...
With that in mind, then, when I first read Cooper's comments about the Scout rifle, I found it logical that a scout would be a solo individual. It seems that in the military sense, any contact with an enemy is a case of mission failure. A scout is supposed to do the sneaky-snake thing, gather information, and not be seen. If seen, a fast-acquisition shot and then practice being elsewhere ASAP.
Made sense to me.
Hunting? The .308 is good.
Weight? I've done many a dozen-mile walking hunt in rugged mountains with a 9.5-pound '06. I like my 6.5-pound 700 Ti much better, thank you.
Bolt action rifles are simple and accurate. Since it has been very rare that I ever needed a second shot in order to make a kill, the bolt-action deal has been quite sufficient for "firepower".
Personally I find the forward mounting of the scope to be a bit off-putting, but then I have many decades of conventional mounting. Old dogs and new tricks...
I'll likely never bother to buy a Scout. But I see no reason for most of the negative comments made about them...
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I think we can consider it established, in the above discussion, that the scout rifle is not a high volume suppressive fire weapon. That's a point the fans and detractors can agree on. What the scout is, is a little rifle firing a big cartridge.
Cooper, of course, was a Marine of a former era. He learned the business when a thirty caliber bolt action was standard. (The Corps did not switch from the Springfield to the Garand until after WWII was underway. At Guadalcanal, for instance, the Marines had Springfields.) We may experience a moment of cognitive dissonance when we, today, read Cooper discussing the scout as a fighting rifle. The baseline for comparison being used is not fighting rifles as we understand them, but as Cooper did. So far as I know, he never altered his habit of referring to AR-15 and M16 type rifles as "poodle shooters," though he held the M1 Garand in some esteem.
That's a point the fans and detractors can agree on. What the scout is, is a little rifle firing a big cartridge. Cooper, of course, was a Marine of a former era. He learned the business when a thirty caliber bolt action was standard. (The Corps did not switch from the Springfield to the Garand until after WWII was underway. At Guadalcanal, for instance, the Marines had Springfields.) We may experience a moment of cognitive dissonance when we, today, read Cooper discussing the scout as a fighting rifle. The baseline for comparison being used is not fighting rifles as we understand them, but as Cooper did. So far as I know, he never altered his habit of referring to AR-15 and M16 type rifles as "poodle shooters," though he held the M1 Garand in some esteem.
"As one who has used a Scout rifle for the last 20 or so years, (and I mean USED as in killing around 90% of the red meat my family consumes) I have to ask, how does a low profile 2.75X scope mounted down against the barrel get more banged up or snag more brush than one mounted nice and high on the receiver? Especially in the case of todays popular scopes that sport 50mm objectives and salt & pepper shaker size turrets? (which also tend to shift the balance up the rifle UP)"
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In reality it does nothing a conventional bolt action can't do.
"If you honestly were a fan and devotee of Cooper, you know that the forward mounted scope has one huge advantage over conventional scope mounting; it allows the shooter to maintain awareness of his surroundings while using the scope, provided of course said shooter is shooting with both eyes open as he or she should be. The other less obvious advantage is ease of loading even allowing the use of stripper clips in the case of converted military rifles."
"You know, if a person doesn't like Scout rifles, it's more than OK to just say "I don't like them." Much better than stating reasons that make no sense!"
35W
Actually stating a reason why one doesn't like something is more valid and makes more sense than simply stating that you don't like something. I think the fact that in my experience, the scout scope tends to snag and bang on stuff may make sense to those open enough to see it. People reading this thread trying to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of the scout rifle my not have thought of that. The fact that a scout scope moves the balance forward which changes the handling characteristics of the rifle might make sense to someone who hadn't used a scout scoped rifle before.
I hunted for a couple years with a Burris scout scope mounted on my Marlin lever action in 375 Win. Worked ok but I didn't like the balance or banging the scope on stuff. Went back to a conventional mounted 1.5-4.5x variable and had no issued with being aware of my surroundings. In fact I liked the low power for short range and heavy brush and the higher power for longer ranges and scanning the treeline.
I borrowed a Steyr scout for deer hunting one year. Cool little rifle but I don't need the foo-foo. I prefer my 25 year old 20" bbl Win Model 70 308 w/ 2-7X Leopold on it. I've killed whitetails and black bear in Michigan, antelope and mule deer in Wyoming, and caribou in Alaska with it.
Stripper clips, detachable mags, integral bi-pods on a hunting rifle? Yeah, whatever.
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In reality it does nothing a conventional bolt action can't do.
"If you honestly were a fan and devotee of Cooper, you know that the forward mounted scope has one huge advantage over conventional scope mounting; it allows the shooter to maintain awareness of his surroundings while using the scope, provided of course said shooter is shooting with both eyes open as he or she should be. The other less obvious advantage is ease of loading even allowing the use of stripper clips in the case of converted military rifles."
"You know, if a person doesn't like Scout rifles, it's more than OK to just say "I don't like them." Much better than stating reasons that make no sense!"
35W
Actually stating a reason why one doesn't like something is more valid and makes more sense than simply stating that you don't like something. I think the fact that in my experience, the scout scope tends to snag and bang on stuff may make sense to those open enough to see it. People reading this thread trying to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of the scout rifle my not have thought of that. The fact that a scout scope moves the balance forward which changes the handling characteristics of the rifle might make sense to someone who hadn't used a scout scoped rifle before.
I hunted for a couple years with a Burris scout scope mounted on my Marlin lever action in 375 Win. Worked ok but I didn't like the balance or banging the scope on stuff. Went back to a conventional mounted 1.5-4.5x variable and had no issued with being aware of my surroundings. In fact I liked the low power for short range and heavy brush and the higher power for longer ranges and scanning the treeline.
I borrowed a Steyr scout for deer hunting one year. Cool little rifle but I don't need the foo-foo. I prefer my 25 year old 20" bbl Win Model 70 308 w/ 2-7X Leopold on it. I've killed whitetails and black bear in Michigan, antelope and mule deer in Wyoming, and caribou in Alaska with it.
Stripper clips, detachable mags, integral bi-pods on a hunting rifle? Yeah, whatever.
my 'scout' rifle is a youth model .243 remington model 7 with a 1.5x-4x scope with a circle crosshair reticle. It is light, short, easy to maneuver, fast to point, quick to acquire a sight picture and likes to kill deer.
While the forward mounting of a scope may be desirable, I think the bigger factor for the scout concept is to have a low magnification if a scope is used.
While the forward mounting of a scope may be desirable, I think the bigger factor for the scout concept is to have a low magnification if a scope is used.
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The scout rifle today is little more than a somewhat more powerful and accurate than your average carbine that splits a dual hunting defense role a bit more evenly than our grandpa's 30/30 did.
Its a rifle you can crawl through a thicket with and yet still make 300yd plus shots.
In the case of the ruger drop on a rock and bust your scope into little pieces and still not totally be out of action.
It loads and unloads with great ease in a fraction of the time it takes a levergun or hinged floorplate bolt.
In other words when you set aside all the romance, tradition and preconceived notions of what a hunting rifle is its what we'd all be using......or at least those of us not using a variation of the AR pattern to fill the same role
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Its a rifle you can crawl through a thicket with and yet still make 300yd plus shots.
In the case of the ruger drop on a rock and bust your scope into little pieces and still not totally be out of action.
It loads and unloads with great ease in a fraction of the time it takes a levergun or hinged floorplate bolt.
In other words when you set aside all the romance, tradition and preconceived notions of what a hunting rifle is its what we'd all be using......or at least those of us not using a variation of the AR pattern to fill the same role
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SharpsDressedMan
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Think of what Gy/Sgt Hathcock could have done with a Scout rifle made to Cooper's specs, when assigned the job to "scout" the enemy. Longer range patrols (due to less weight carried), or faster maneuverability, and the ability to smack the enemy, one shot/one kill, with a sturdy, accurate, bolt action rifle Even today, the choices for long range patrols are the M16A2, M4, M14, etc. All heavier, or less efficient at long range. The more guys on a scouting patrol, the more chances to be observed by the enemy...not what scouts are supposed to do. That is why scout/snipers operate in two man teams. Spray and pray as you retreat is fine if your extraction is iminent, or you haven't had to use half your ammo supply before you retreat. Think how effective ANY infantryman would be if he could kill with one shot more often than he does not. An effective, accurate, fast hitting bolt action rifle might even be more effective than a semi-auto in some people's hands.
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My "Scout" rifle, somewhat loosely based on Coopers Lion Scout.
It's a custom shop Model 7 carbine in .350 Rem Mag. I chose not to go with the forward mounted scope after experiences with that idea on an earlier rifle. The forward mounted scope in 2.5 power is perfectly capable of 300 yard accuracy, but I found myself constantly banging that scope in the dense alder thickets of coastal Alaska. Alaska isn't Arizona, or I think the good Colonel might not have been so insistent on its utility. Instead, with this rifle, I went with a 1x5 Burris which is kept at 1X until higher magnification is needed.
It's got good iron sights and a Warne detachable mount.
The wood is laminated with a "Mannlicher" for-end to steady it for offhand shots.
It weighs 7 pounds, 1 ounce.
Is it a practical rifle? Hell yes! It's a delight to carry and is accurate and powerful enough to take any animal in my zip code, which has some pretty big animals.
It's a custom shop Model 7 carbine in .350 Rem Mag. I chose not to go with the forward mounted scope after experiences with that idea on an earlier rifle. The forward mounted scope in 2.5 power is perfectly capable of 300 yard accuracy, but I found myself constantly banging that scope in the dense alder thickets of coastal Alaska. Alaska isn't Arizona, or I think the good Colonel might not have been so insistent on its utility. Instead, with this rifle, I went with a 1x5 Burris which is kept at 1X until higher magnification is needed.
It's got good iron sights and a Warne detachable mount.
The wood is laminated with a "Mannlicher" for-end to steady it for offhand shots.
It weighs 7 pounds, 1 ounce.
Is it a practical rifle? Hell yes! It's a delight to carry and is accurate and powerful enough to take any animal in my zip code, which has some pretty big animals.
Ruger's Model 77 comes in many compact versions, all with a 16.5 inch barrel and weighing in at 6 lbs and a little over, depending on caliber. They don't have the forward mounting for a scope, but they fit the bill for a Scout rifle as well. Any thoughts on these guns?
henschman
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I think it's pretty clear that Cooper didn't intend the Scout rifle to be a front-line military firearm. He did intend for it to fill a fighting role, but more for use by "irregulars" than "regular" forces (which was a topic Cooper talked about on occasion). Perhaps a rifle that could serve as a hunting rifle in the hands of a citizen, but which could also fill the "2nd Amendment" role if it ever came to that. Or a rifle for the guy who is out in the woods living off the land -- it works well for putting meat on the table, and also for dealing with anyone who persists in violating his wish to be left alone.
Definitely not the rifle you'd want if you went out expecting to get in a gunfight -- but a pretty good choice if you're going to be out in the field for a while, living off just what is on your back, with weight at a premium, and not knowing what kind of situations you will be facing.
I haven't ever had a Scout, but I very much like the idea. I love a lightweight rifle, I love a stripper clip fed bolt action, and I have always been a big fan of the sling as a marksmanship aid... in fact I tinker with designing by own slings, and I have come up with one that I like a lot more than the ones Cooper promoted. At the next gun show I'll keep an eye out for a good FR-8. It seems to me that it is about the perfect rifle for such a project. 35 Whelen, I have seen yours a few times on the web and really like it.
As for a scope, I'm hearing some good things about the new(ish) Leatherwood 2-7x scout scope. It would be nice to be able to leave it at 2x for shooting, and crank up to 7x for spotting. Thoughts?
Definitely not the rifle you'd want if you went out expecting to get in a gunfight -- but a pretty good choice if you're going to be out in the field for a while, living off just what is on your back, with weight at a premium, and not knowing what kind of situations you will be facing.
I haven't ever had a Scout, but I very much like the idea. I love a lightweight rifle, I love a stripper clip fed bolt action, and I have always been a big fan of the sling as a marksmanship aid... in fact I tinker with designing by own slings, and I have come up with one that I like a lot more than the ones Cooper promoted. At the next gun show I'll keep an eye out for a good FR-8. It seems to me that it is about the perfect rifle for such a project. 35 Whelen, I have seen yours a few times on the web and really like it.
As for a scope, I'm hearing some good things about the new(ish) Leatherwood 2-7x scout scope. It would be nice to be able to leave it at 2x for shooting, and crank up to 7x for spotting. Thoughts?
Gordon
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Kodiakbeer I think you carbine is perfect where you live! For where I live the .35 Remington is more than adequate.
Face it Co. Cooper's use of the rifle for humans was all about DEFENDING Citizens being accosted by enemies to freedom, a sniper rifle is not really defensive in intent. Entering nto a fight would be better served by another platform IMHO.
Face it Co. Cooper's use of the rifle for humans was all about DEFENDING Citizens being accosted by enemies to freedom, a sniper rifle is not really defensive in intent. Entering nto a fight would be better served by another platform IMHO.
Tequila jake
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I've never tried a rifle with a forward-mounted scope, but every time I clean a rifle and have to twist my hands under/around/over the scope to clean inside the receiver or, on my bolt action with a non-detachable magazine, have to load cartridges underneath the scope, I can see the value in it.
The rifles that I might have converted to "Scout" configuration:
1. A Marlin 336 in 30-30. It weights 8.1 lbs with 4x scope and sling;
2. A Howa .308 with a 20" bbl. It weighs 7.9 lbs with 3x9 scope and sling. The non-detachable magazine on this one might be a deal-breaker , however.
Both are too heavy to qualify under Col. Cooper's rules, but the recoil is almost unnoticeable. And since I do most of my hunting from a tree stand, I don't mind the extra weight. If I had to do a lot of walking with either one of them, i.e., if they were "all-purpose" rifles, that would probably change my mind.
Tequila Jake
The rifles that I might have converted to "Scout" configuration:
1. A Marlin 336 in 30-30. It weights 8.1 lbs with 4x scope and sling;
2. A Howa .308 with a 20" bbl. It weighs 7.9 lbs with 3x9 scope and sling. The non-detachable magazine on this one might be a deal-breaker , however.
Both are too heavy to qualify under Col. Cooper's rules, but the recoil is almost unnoticeable. And since I do most of my hunting from a tree stand, I don't mind the extra weight. If I had to do a lot of walking with either one of them, i.e., if they were "all-purpose" rifles, that would probably change my mind.
Tequila Jake
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If you want to know where the "ORIGINAL" concept behind the Cooper Scout Rifle came from look up the "K98k-ZF41 [Karabiner 98 (http://www.worldbayonets.com/Rifles/G1021/G1021-7.html)]." The other additions such as 10 rounds magazine, compact/light was probably pattern off the Enfield Jungle Carbine. (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=260259770). The decision to chamber it in a intermediate caliber (7.62x51), most likely due to Col. Cooper experience in the military, realizing as most field officers did, that the average soldier didn't need a rifle capable of ranges of 1000 yds, seeing that most engagements were under 300 yds.
The Scout Rifle (the name about the only thing originally thought of by Cooper) was probably Col. Cooper's answer for a intermediate sniping rifle for the average marksman.
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Didn't read all the posts, but I like mine since I was in need of something handy. It is a plus that mine is in 308, so I don't have to tool up to load any other rounds for it,.It uses the same components that I have for my other rifle, I know the trajectory well already too. I use it for everything that I used to use a marlin 336 in 30 30 for, but for me it works better overall. It also takes the same magazines as my main rifle. YMMV though.
That said, i do not have a forward scope on it. I thought about it, but it seems like the would go against the "slim and trim" that I like about it. I have the iron sights and a small red dot sight. It works great for hunting. It rides on the sling well and comes in and out of the car pretty easily.
That said, i do not have a forward scope on it. I thought about it, but it seems like the would go against the "slim and trim" that I like about it. I have the iron sights and a small red dot sight. It works great for hunting. It rides on the sling well and comes in and out of the car pretty easily.
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