Please help! Good guy arrested in Ohio

[dadman]

Ian,
Thanks for posting the info.
I know of a person who crossed into Oh, Canada! from the USofA with a firearm. Person remembered item was in vehicle after driving around Windsor, Ontario awhile.
Don't know if this was Mr. Jordan's situation, but can see how it could happen.

 

[cordex]

Wild even the left leaning mayor of Anchorage has a permit Alaska

Not hard to find left-leaning politicians who want to carry weapons themselves (see: Feinstein et all). The hard - but not impossible - part is finding left-leaning politicians who want their electorate to carry weapons. Not that all right-leaning politicians are pro-carry either ...

 

[Kim]

Well MrAlaskaguy made my claws dig deep and give 100.00 to an excellent cause. Good Luck Hunter from a new FRIEND.

 

[jimpeel]

Kim

Welcome to THR!

Well MrAlaskaguy made my claws dig deep ...

He has that effect on people.

I recently had the honor of making his ignore list. My only regret is that I was number three.

There are, as of this posting and courtesy of me, 1767 big ol' blank spots in the threads he sees -- or is that "doesn't see" -- and I no longer have to put up with him. I wish there were a reverse ignore list that would allow you to put yourself on someone else's ignore list, so you could dispense with their nonsense sooner, without having to wait for them to place you on it.

 

[JohnBT]

Yeah, like anybody cares. :banghead:

___________

I just kicked in half a C-note.

I hope he puts his brain in gear first next time before he drives armed.

John

 

[Russ]

This guy is either stupid or does not have access to the Internet. If one goes to a number of sites on the Internet, it is fairly easy to determine what the rules are. He can twist in the wind as far as I'm concerned. One site I know is www.KC3.com

I go through Ohio now and again as I live in a neighhoring state. I take it upon myself to know the rules. Agree or not, until the laws are changed (which will be a cold day in Hell) you have to obey them or face the consequences. What is the old saying " ignorance of the law is no excuse". I wouldn't give this guy 5 cents. Too many others vying for my money. Stupid people need not apply.

 

[ojibweindian]

Russ

So we should all be good little boys and girls and do what our MASTER tells us?

I'll opt out, thank you very much, and you can continue to be a slave.

Where can I cough up some dough to help out the good guy?

 

[Ian]

ojibweindian - right here. Thanks!

 

[ojibweindian]

Check is in the mail.

 

[Russ]

Ogibweindian,

That unfortunately is the way the world works. It won't change in my lifetime so keep tilting at windmills. someone has to do it. Had you ever been arrested and run through the system for anything, I bet your views would change in a heart beat. Be my guest and break the existing laws. See where it gets you. Hope you have a boat load of money of your own to fight with. Don't come begging for my money when you have to pay the price.

 

[ojibweindian]

I don't take money from yes-men and cowards.

 

[Bill St. Clair]

I have never been arrested and run through the system, yet I am already a big-time foe of bad laws. Had I been arrested for a crock like Ohio's law about carrying firearms in motor vehicles, I would be even more strongly opposed to this garbage and more likely to support others who were wrongly arrested.

We all have, from birth, a concealed carry permit that is valid in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It requires no background check, no fingerprints, no safety training, no fee, and no wait. It is part of our right to life. It is guaranteed by the second amendment to the United States Constitution.

 

[Russ]

Ojibweindian,

Oh please. You really need to get a clue. Perhaps you could buy one.

 

[ojibweindian]

Perhaps. Do they sell clues at Wal-Mart? Are they on sale? Oh, how I wish I had a clue...

 

[cordex]

Perhaps. Do they sell clues at Wal-Mart? Are they on sale? Oh, how I wish I had a clue...

Board games. By the toy department.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Keep the discussion civil, please!

 

[Don Gwinn]

We don't call each other cowards here. Knock it off.

On another note, much has been made of who has read his state's laws and who has not. Just a reminder to everyone--don't just read the law, carry it! The average police officer you speak to will NOT know the law. Most of them have never seen the actual code. In some circumstances, you have more recourse under the law if you make a good-faith effort to show the officer the law and he arrests you illegally anyway.

 

[jimpeel]

In some circumstances, you have more recourse under the law if you make a good-faith effort to show the officer the law and he arrests you illegally anyway.

Which brings us to suijurisfreeman's Constructive Notice.

 

[Ian]

I realize this is awfully short notice, but I just got it. Hunter's finally getting his vehicle back and returning to NH (to return to OH next month for arraignment). So:

For those within driving distance of north central Ohio, please join us for breakfast with Jeff Jordan, Liberty Round Tables' The Hunter. Jeff was recently charged with carrying a concealed weapon by the Ohio State Highway Patrol. Jeff is coming back to Ohio to get his vehicle and belongings back from the OHP. You can show your support for RKBA and Jeff by showing up tomorrow. Please dress respectful, business causal would be good. Everyone who values freedom is welcome to attend.

I spoke to Jeff this afternoon and he will be in Ohio this evening along with DLT.

When: Saturday, January 10th at 9am
Where: Bob Evans Restaurant 1304 E MAIN STREET, ASHLAND OH 44805

Just exit off I-71 at St. Route 250 and head west toward Ashland. The Bob Evan's is on your right about 2-3 miles from the Interstate. Ashland is about 80 miles north of Columbus, just off of I-71.

For a map just go to: http://www.mapquest.com and enter the address.

We'll meet in the parking lot, and then have breakfast together. Just look for a 2003 Black Ford F-150 Supercab as a rally point. Our presence will mainly serve as a respectful send off for Jeff and to provide moral support. Other details will be provided in person.

For additional info you can contact me on my cell phone at 614-313-5722 or DLT at 608-345-7731.

Regards, Matt Gaylor-

http://www.freeohio.us

 

[BogBabe]

I've asked publius to click some e-gold to Hunter's legal defense fund.

Hunter is one of the good guys, and we need to rally 'round and support him.

 

[Ian]

Situation Update:

I just heard from Don Lobo on the return of Hunter's SUV. He's had a tiring, stressful day and wasn't much in the mood for talking. A fuller picture will emerge once he's home and rested, but here's what he told me.

Getting the Pathfinder back was the usual bureaucratic c-f^*k. The trooper took his sweet time getting the paperwork, and when they got to the impound lot, although it was well within its hours of operation, it was closed. They called, and waited a while for someone to come release his SUV.

Finally, it was released -- and in total disarray. The battery was dead, and the interior looked as though a tornado had been through it. All the Christmas gifts he'd had in it for friends were opened. Nothing was visibly damaged.

These items are among the things NOT returned by the OHP:

all firearms
all ammunition
all knives on his person (Leatherman and Gerber tool)
Lord of the Rings swords, and other swords
Hunter's certificate from being made a Liberty Round Table Knight Defender
several books
International Society for Individual Liberty (ISIL) pamphlets
work laptop computer

That last item -- the computer -- was not listed on the receipt. Oddly enough, the machete, which was mentioned in the reports as being part of his "arsenal", *was* returned, as was a double-edged axe he also had in the SUV.

Lobo described the experience -- which was captured on video -- as "stomach-churning" for him. I can imagine what it must have been like for Hunter. He is driving the Pathfinder home, but may not keep it, for obvious reasons.

Carl [a friend] met up with them in Ohio, and is escorting Hunter home.

Please forward this message to anyone you know who has an interest in Hunter's story. I'll continue to keep you updated as I'm able.

I continue to receive contributions for Hunter -- thank you all so much for helping him so generously. The LRT contributions page will be updated with new information on how to contribute or help Hunter, too (we've still not heard back from KeepandBearArms on getting a credit
card donation page set up).

http://www.libertyroundtable.org/projects/freehunter/contributions.html

Thanks to you all,

Sunni

I'll post more as I hear it.

 

[OF]

I will be contributing as much as I can to this fund, as meager as that amount may be.

I am absolutely disgusted by some of the attitudes on this thread. I always knew we had some members here who were nothing more than statists with a gun fetish, but I guess I never realized how awful that position really is. How sickening it would be to see these people actively lobbying that a man should rot in prison for standing up for his personal rights. Hell, there are plenty here arguing that men do not even have rights, of even the most basic sort! - save those granted by the collective at any particular point in time (and subject to change without notice).

I may not have the balls to flagrantly oppose the gov't's unconstitutional and immoral laws in the fight for freedom, at great personal peril, as this man has done, but I sure as ???? have the balls to support those who do.

One day, people are going to have to make a choice. Someday, they are going to finally move on something you do care about. It is only a matter of time.

Who's going to help you then? And if you lose in the courts, and one of you makes a stand, will you throw him to the wolves and say "Tough break buddy! Should have known better!"?

- Gabe

 

[El Rojo]

You know it is pretty simple. How do you change laws? Through the courts? Hell that is what most of us complain about all of the time. How the people make a decision and then it gets thrown out or interpreted wrong in the courts. The place to change laws is not in the courts, it is in the legislatures and in the Congress. Here we are throwing all of our weight behind an obviously good guy that obviously broke the law. Argue how we have the right to keep and bear arms all you want, he broke the law. So now what exactly are we fighting for here? Either this thing goes all the way to the supreme court and they decide that the government has no power to keep us from carrying concealed weapons or he beats the case because the DA decides to drop the issue or he gets off on some technicality.

I am sorry if I am not that enthusiastic about this fight. You have to pick and chose your battles and this isn't a very good battle. That is from my perspective from the PRK. From Hunter's perspective he has to fight it and there is no way he can give in on this, but that is his battle. He should have realized this was what he was facing when he was traveling through Ohio like that. He should have thought ahead and realized if he were to get caught breaking the law, he was going to have to take this thing on and take it all the way or he was going to end up being a felon and lose his ability to lawfully possess arms forever. He took that risk, now he has to do the best he can.

However, to fight every single one of these things all over the country and start throwing money around like that, I think that is foolish. Unless his case goes to the Supreme Court, nothing will have changed. Most likely the only way he is going to beat the charges is on a technicality or on a plea bargain. What does that do for all of our rights? Nothing, absolutely nothing. People will still get arrested in Ohio for illegally carrying a concealed weapon. You all will get fired up and spend more of your money to protect HIS right to keep and bear arms and still nothing will change.

Now what if we would have spent this money trying to lobby the Ohio State Legislature or attempting to inform the electorate why law abiding citizens should be able to carry concealed weapons? We might still face the same odds as in the Hunter case, but if we succeed there, we change the ball game for everyone.

The only way my analysis above is going to be proved wrong is if this thing makes it all the way to the Supreme Court. Anyone care to take some side bets on the odds of that happening? I think it is great that so many of you are willing to help this guy out. However, don't fault me for wanting to spend my money more efficiently on causes that have a better chance of effecting wide spread change rather than just a change for Hunter who knowingly broke the law.

 

[OF]

If you don't want to help, fine. But to say this guy deserves to get hung out to dry for making a stand on what we all know is right is crazy. That he should have known better? I'm sure he did know better! Maybe he chose to make a stand. Do I go out and wave my gun in the face of the cops where I am forbidden to have it, no. But do I always disarm wherever they tell me I'm supposed to? No. By not disarming am I risking trouble? Yes. That's as far as I'm prepared to go right now. If I get caught and a friend of mine comes on this board and asks for some help in my name, in a million years I would not have expected that I'd get turned down the way this guy has. That people here would say "Gabe knew what he was doing, packing heat into that Post Office. Screw him. He knew the law. What does he expect? We're going to spend our precious time writing a letter or sending him a 10-spot? He knows the gov't forbids exercising our rights in Post offices, yet he went and did it anyway. He deserves what he gets. We help him out and the next thing you know it's anarchy!"

Here's an RKBA activist, for crying out loud, that for whatever reason is in the position of having to fight for his life against the very unjust laws that everyone knows are illegal and immoral, that we all (most of us anyway) profess to be in active struggle against, but not only will people not lift a finger, not even keep their mouths shut (!), instead they berate him for being "stupid". People here are actively lobbying to keep others from helping him. Actually spending time typing huge posts on the internet about how he should not be helped and people who would throw in with him are wasting their time, because, after all we'd just be "spend[ing] more of your money to protect HIS right to keep and bear arms" God forbid.

Insane. Completely insane. Nobody is asking you to go to jail with the guy. If you don't want to help, the least you can do is get out of the way.

- Gabe

 

[grampster]

grd,

I have read your last couple of posts and I agree, in principal, with what you say. I have backed that up with a donation to Mr. Jordan.

You say some have called Mr. Jordan "stupid". That raised a hackle with me as I think I used the word in my earlier post, (on page 8) so I went back and re read it. The context I used was it was "stupid" to not have all his weapons out of sight so that a cursory look see into the car from the exterior would not reveal any weapons. (Probable Cause) Upon reflection, I stand by my statement but admit that "stupid" was a bad choice of words. I should have said "indiscreet", a much kinder term. I have traveled with weapons many times. Many times into states with draconian firearm laws. I have never been indiscreet in doing so. I operate on the theory of "I'd rather have you (police) catch me with it, than them (goblins) catch me without it." But discretion is always paramount. Covering ones six is a lifelong habit. A good one, I think.

My other point in my earlier post was couched in the context of..... "Whosoever is without sin, let him cast the first stone." Evidently we have a plethora of non-sinners in the room. Or in the case of the unreligious.....those with out fault or bad judgement...ever.

Mr. Jordan exhibited a lack of discretion. But as in my earlier post......The Good Samaritan did not argue nits, he merely helped. Helping is a personal decision......Being a critic, sometimes is an unwelcome intrusion into a opportunity for an act of faithful charity.

nuff said,

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