Poll on position for legalizing drugs

How legal do you want drugs to be?

  • Execution or life sentence for all illegal drug users and dealers.

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • Execute or life sentence for all drug dealers.

    Votes: 22 6.5%
  • Ban alchohol and tobacco, maybe even caffeine

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep the drug laws the way they are

    Votes: 21 6.2%
  • legalize Marijuanna for medical use

    Votes: 16 4.7%
  • legalize Marijuanna/individual drugs

    Votes: 65 19.2%
  • legalize most drugs

    Votes: 72 21.3%
  • legalize all drugs

    Votes: 135 39.9%

  • Total voters
    338
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CWatson said:
Do you guys know any drug addicts who work?Did not think so.
I work for a defense contractor and we have a large number of drug addicts here. I know of many who wouldn't be able to function without their doses of caffeine or nicotine. I'm also rather certain that a good number of them use alcohol on a daily basis. On top of that I'd be willing to bet that some of them also use drugs that are currently illegal. Hey Rush had a drug problem and even our current President has admitted to using illegal drugs and his alcohol problem is well known (including at least one DUI arrest).
CWatson said:
If adults offer kids "legalized" drugs the taboo is gone.
I'll tackle the adult portion next but first I must mention that it's good for the taboo to be gone. Many kids will try anything that's taboo simply because it's mysterious and forbidden, that's human nature and anyone with kids should know this.
CWatson said:
One adult in the position of trust and authority could is so inclined could do damage to many families.
So what's to prevent an adult from doing the same thing today with alcohol? Laws do currentyl exist to punish one for supplying minors and they would appl equally to newly legalized drugs, so what's the difference?
CWatson said:
Druggies like to me surounded whith other druggies,makes it feel legit.
One could say the same thing about shooters too.
CWatson said:
Cannibal,what propaganda route is wrong,that drugs are bad for you and society?That is not propaganda it is true.
It's true that drugs can have harmful effects when abused, but the majority can be safely used. Mr. Mackey's "drugs are bad" statement is a running joke because so many people rely on it to steer kids away from drugs because they have no idea what the effects of drugs really are. Look at the propaganda films like "Reefer Madness". It painted weed as a horrible substance that could turn one into a pyscopath before finishing a joint. When kids realized that this was all a lie, how much did they trust the rest of what they were told?
CWatson said:
he barrel of a 45 has conviced more the one to try to move their wares somewhere else.
A gun being pointed at someone has convinced a lot of people to do a lot of things, that doesn't make it any more right.
CWatson said:
I have know several people who have been "drug" down by substance abuse and the ones who have managed to end their addictions their lives are still worse of than it could have, should have been.
I know people who have had substance abuse problems with legal drugs and others who use illegal drugs recreationally without a problem at all. The people you reference simply didn't have the discipline to be casual users. Some people can't be trusted with firearms, should we make all firearms illegal just because some can't be trusted with them?
CWatson said:
Most of them were introduced at a young age and the ones who have kicked at have stronger views on punishment than me.
In other words they've biased their opinions based on bad parenting and their own lack of discipline. That sounds a lot like people who oppose CCW laws because they don't trust themselves to carry a weapon.
CWatson said:
For those who think if legilized it could be regulate properly,when has the government regulated anything properly?
Very rarely (if ever), but they'd do a better job of regulating than they've been doing with prohibition.
 
why me,

I am not paroniod,the druggies are,my head is not in the sand but yours sounds like it is somewere else if you think most addicts work and support themselves,most are not as highly functional as you seem to believe.From the time I posted this am and returned home I have crossed paths with over a dozen(I live in Los Angeles)none of them worked and have not in years.Pull your head out and smell the "smoke".

Pot smokers you say?I know of no druggies who limit themselves to only one and stay there.

If you make drugs legal what about those on welfare?Spend more tax money, which us functional non addicts pay,to pay for their habit?No you say? That would be discrimination.

I do not have do be a parent to have these views,had them 33 yrs before I became a parent.

CW
 
Something that has struck me in this thread is the use of the term 'druggie'. I got some news for you folks who are so opposed to legalization.

You drink alchohol? You smoke tobbaco? Guess what. You're DRUGGIES as well. You use recreational drugs, only YOURS happen to be legal at this point in time.

Want to live in a nation free of drug use and abuse? Fine. Lets return to prohibition of grain alcohol, ban the sale, possesion and use of tobacco.
 
Unfortunately I have seen (second hand thank you) too much to believe this. The ultimate cost in both human suffering and financial resources would probably dwarf anything we have seen yet.

Unfortunately that's the best excuse the Drug Warriors can come up with anymore to try and justify this huge waste of money, excuse to destroy the Bill of Rights and excuse to expand federal and local government.

In their minds they're more enlightened than everyone else and "have seen the horrors of what it does, blah blah blah," ad nauseum. Trying to make an inanimate object animate. Just like gun banners try with guns.

People have the right to do whatever they please unless it infringes on the rights of others. Government should protect people's rights instead of wasting its time and resources TRYING to protect people from themselves.

Unfortunately so many do not realize that is exactly what it's all about. Making money and expanding the government. Remember, nowadays they have their secret weapon, "opinion polls", so that only have to dumb down half of us.
 
I am sorry but let's be perfectly blunt here: I don't care if they function or work. I believe with legalization comes responsibility. As I said before, do drugs and suffer the consequences on your own dime. Up to and including being allowed to die in the street, in which case we'll bore a hole and send your immediate family the bill.

I don't expect utopia out of this. But I can't see any reason to think there would be any long term increase in drug use and thus those who are going to indulge anyway I consider a fair sacrifice to protect the Rights of everyone else. They don't work? They starve? Hospital won't bother with em? Geee, the other 90% of us will shed a tear...or not.
 
...somewere else if you think most addicts work and support themselves,most are not as highly functional as you seem to believe.
statements like this lead me to believe that you don't know any recreational drug users. I know many, some of whom are regular users of hard drugs. Most of them hold down their jobs with little trouble.

Actually, I take back what i said - you yourself probably know a few functional drug users. They don't talk about their habit, and you never find out.

If you make drugs legal what about those on welfare?
Screw them.

Spend more tax money, which us functional non addicts pay,to pay for their habit?
You'll find that most serious advocates of legalization* think poorly of taxes as well.

No you say? That would be discrimination.
So? Most of us don't much care for PC either.

Another day, another sacred cow killed and eaten...

- Chris

* - I say this to exclude the "legalize-and-tax" crowd. They're halfway there, but taxing drugs will still allow the gov't social engineers to manage our behaivor, as well as keeping the underground market in place.
 
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"outlaw poison ivy"

Now there's a war! Hehhe.. Reminds me of a blurb I saw on the evening news twenty years ago. They were hauling dump truck loads of pot out of the woods all day long. The timing of this monsterous bust couldn't have been better, the narcotics task force was at risk of being cut due to a country wide recession. Huge numbers of people were jobless.

How could they ever get so lucky to stumble onto such a timely example of their justification? Because people are ignorant and too willing to believe government propaganda. They didn't recognize or care about the difference between marijuana and stinging nettles. Got to admit they do look similar but as a hunter I knew better since I had walked through that section of woods before, but only once!

I informed the meda of the situation but they swept it under the rug and allowed the wolves pull the wool over the sheeples eyes.
 
I second the motion of "Just because you don't see them doesn't mean that they aren't there".

drug abusers, just like the extreme gay rights crowd, are very visible.
many drug users, on the other hand, are going to be quiet about their use, as it is, after all, illegal.
 
I second the motion of "Just because you don't see them doesn't mean that they aren't there".

To true. Back in the 90s when I worked in Biotechnology, the company I worked for was aquired by a large multinational Science/Healthcare firm. The new owners had a corp. policy of screening all new hires, and was planning to screen all the folks in the newly aquired company. At least 1/2 of the employees were freaking over this (most of 'em in the Admin & Research staff IIRC) and a few were ready to quit right then and there. Fortunately for the organization at the time Boulder had a prohibition on drug screening current employees w/in the city of Boulder.

Which demonstrates that use does NOT equal abuse.
 
Prohibition was a real winner. Gave us the likes of Edward M. Kennedy. Legalize everything and make people responsible for what they do.
 
Chris sounds like something that came out of a cow that was not sacred(BS),the cow got away.

For those who think there are so many highly functional and we do not observe them,those who are also under the influence think they are unobservable because their actions mirror their own .These are the ones on their way down,not as far as the one running down the street because he thinks he is on fire but on their way down.

Sindaw,nope I am not that kind of "druggie" either.You legalize it and it become acceptable as tabacco.and booze,which sadly many here would like it to be.To bad the company backed down on the drug testing.All we need is a bunch of abusers working in labs were medical test are processed,anybody want to trust a crack head with their health?

Anybody want to go to the range with the guy who as only done "only" a line or two in the lane next to you?

If you want people to accept such foolish actions be ready to be thought of as a fool.

Abusers far outnumber casual users AKA abusers in the making.
CW
 
Legalize everything and make people responsible for what they do.
Ya hit the nail square on the head my friend.

CWatson: I suggest you go back and read my post AGAIN. The company had NO CHOICE in the matter. They could not test the then current employees of the organization. Backing down had nothing to do with it. The worst problem we in the manufacturing group faced were people who were as dumb as a box of hammers but could talk a good line in the interview, and one fellow who's drug of choice was spray paint. :what: The occasional pot smokers had no issues performing the demanding physical and mental tasks of the job, and far as I was aware did not smoke before duty. I came on shift one night right at the same time as a co-worker, who'd been off for a few hours and was called back in by stumped engineer to solve a problem, came in REEKING of marijuana, took a quick look at the problem system, ID'd the fault as a bad mass flow meter and fixed the issue.

True, thats an N=1 and bears no weight except as an anecdote. But based on just my own experience in life, casual users FAR out number those who have a problem.

Abusers far outnumber casual users AKA abusers in the making.
Tell me, does this include folks who enjoy a beer after work, or a glass of wine with a meal?
 
CWatson said:
Chris sounds like...
Poor form, CWatson.

CWatson said:
For those who think there are so many highly functional and we do not observe them,those who are also under the influence think they are unobservable because their actions mirror their own .These are the ones on their way down,not as far as the one running down the street because he thinks he is on fire but on their way down.

And every person who takes a drink of alchohol, a couple of drinks a week, is eventually going to end up in the hospital with tremors and cirrhosis of the liver. Oh, wait, they don't? Then what about the tobacco users, I mean, they spiral down, have to have a smoke every hour, work goes to hell, you know what I mean. Oh, wait, tobacco users can still operate in corporate america? Serious health effects? Then why is Tobacco still legal?

You've swallowed the drug propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

Sindaw,nope I am not that kind of "druggie" either.You legalize it and it become acceptable as tabacco.and booze,which sadly many here would like it to be.To bad the company backed down on the drug testing.All we need is a bunch of abusers working in labs were medical test are processed,anybody want to trust a crack head with their health?
I doubt they were 'crack heads'. Medical Industry- More likely Marijuanna or Heroin. Besides, safeguards should be in place, and any slippage of work should be noticed. Heck, I'd almost rather have a drug user the work than a guy who's in the middle of a messy divorce...

Anybody want to go to the range with the guy who as only done "only" a line or two in the lane next to you?
Do you want the guy who's only drunk a beer or two in the lane next to you? We've already said that usage during driving should carry stiff penalties. Going to the range high, down, drunk, stoned, etc should all be "invitations to leave and not come back".
 
Come out Come out

Come on Cwatson time to come out of that dream world you live in. They are here and they work with you. They are your neighbors people you go to church with and people you meet in the grocery store.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0880105.html
An estimated 17.4% of unemployed adults aged 18 or older were current illicit drug users in 2002 compared with 8.2% of those employed full time and 10.5% of those employed part time. However, most drug users were employed. Of the 16.6 million illicit drug users aged 18 or older in 2002, 12.4 million (74.6%) were employed either full or part time.

Any questions?


To achieve a one percent reduction in U.S. cocaine consumption, the United States could spend an additional $34 million on drug treatment programs, or 23 times as much -- $783 million -- on efforts to eradicate the supply at the source.

Source: Rydell & Everingham, Controlling Cocaine (Santa Monica, CA: The RAND Corporation, 1994).
 
What Bruce H. and DocZinn said.

I don't want the government specifying, much less examining, what I have in my pocket, be it a joint or a .357. As my old grandaddy would say: "Ain't none of their business whatsoever."

And I don't want to pay into that tax supported charity we call welfare either.

Also, please remember that old saw: "Teddy Kennedy [and his tendency to keep his snot locker full of scotch] has killed more people with his car than I have with my whole damn gun collection."
 
If you make drugs legal what about those on welfare?Spend more tax money, which us functional non addicts pay,to pay for their habit?No you say? That would be discrimination.
People on welfare already do drugs. I think the WODs costs more money (not to mention lives) than any possible welfare increase. The failure of welfare should not be used to keep objects illegal. Fighting the war on drugs to keep drug prices high has got to be the worst bandaid fix to other problems imaginable.
 
I'm not sure the part of the argument for legalization relating to the LE abuse of power due to the WOD is legit anymore.

I don't think it's a strong point given the current situation in the US.

The WOT has made the intrusiveness/abuse or power issue non-applicable. Under the new and developing rules for guiding the WOT, the government is empowered to muck about in the personal and private lives on law abiding American citizens in ways they could never have dreamed of during the WOD.

They may have "tinkered" with us during the WOD, they may have casued outrages, shot the wrong people, seized assets and so forth.

The relationship has changes much more to that of "owner" and "owned" due to the WOT. And we don't even have a mature program yet! So where is the outrage guys. If you are going to be consistant what will you have legalized to stop the uncontrolled damage to our freedoms due to the abuses and overreaching coming from the WOT. It will make the WOD look like a pup in the end.

IMHO

S-
 
Well Selfdfenz, *I* for one am NOT happy with this so called WOT. I bugs me to no end the Jose Padilla still sits in a prison cell. No charges filed, no legal council, etc... Outrage? Yea, got ya covered there.

Of course, when I talk reasonably to my friends about this, I'm greeted with accusations of being a loony or stares of resigned acceptance.

I think I'll go reread my copy of The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress now.
 
They dont have enough evidence to convict him

and they cant torture him. What they can do is transport him to a country that will torture him. Then we will either know the truth or the truth he is willing to tell to make the torture stop

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15981-2004May10.html
In fact, every aspect of this new universe -- including maintenance of covert airlines to fly prisoners from place to place, interrogation rules and the legal justification for holding foreigners without due process afforded most U.S. citizens -- has been developed by military or CIA lawyers, vetted by Justice Department's office of legal counsel and, depending on the particular issue, approved by White House general counsel's office or the president himself.
http://www.house.gov/markey/Issues/iss_human_rights_ltr040720.pdf
Amnesty International opposes the practice of “extraordinary renditions†in which the United States
transfers individuals for interrogation to countries with a record of using torture. The U.S. Government is
reported to have sent or been complicit in sending individuals to countries such as Jordan, Morocco,
Syria, and Egypt – all countries the U.S. has criticized for practicing torture. The U.S. Government has not
offered a public definition of “extraordinary renditions†nor has it provided public disclosure about this
practice. The practice of “extraordinary renditions†is cloaked in secrecy, making it difficult to know how
many individuals are affected. Detainees have been denied legal recourse to challenge their detention or
prevent their transfer to a country where they may be tortured. There has been little accountability to
ensure compliance with U.S. law and protection of basic human rights. We applaud your leadership in
addressing this human rights issue and recognize that H.R. 4647 is an important effort to stop this abuse.


There are a lot of other links but I dont htink you would accept them
Here you can pick and choose your own
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=extraordinary''+renditions
 
Firethorn,
It was given in the same form as received,good or bad.You can compair booze and smokes all you like,but I need no compairison I have seen what all of the above have done to people with my own eye and hard drugs destroy a person faster than the above.Heroin does more damage than Dorals.

DocZinn,
You already support them and you will even more if drugs are legalized.

Why_me,
You are the one living in a dream world,I live in a very real one and have seen what drugs do to people.


Drugs are used and abused by weak people.To make themselves feel less weak,to convince themselves and others they are not they need others to feel it is legitimate.Most drug addicts are introduced to drugs at a young age,while the are immature .Notice how so few addicts get started at a mature age?As I said make them legal but at the same time make it legal to deal with those who bring it my way.

CW
 
Most drug addicts

Started off with a beer or a cigarette. I have seen what drugs have done to people also. I have also seen what alchohol has done to people. I have also seen what the law has done to people. I have also seen what bigots have done to people. I have seen what religous intolerance have done to people. I have see what moral superiority has done to people.
The difference is what my eyes have seen doesnt justify me telling other people what to do with there lives.
Im glad you have called drug users weak.

George Bush weak? George Washington weak? Thomas Jefferson weak?
Benjamin Franklin weak? Arnold Shwartzenneger weak? Rush Limbaugh weak?

famous weed smokers
Art Garfunkel , singer, Simon and Garfunkel.
Abbie Hoffman, Activist.
Al and Tipper Gore Politicians
Aleister Crowley, Author and Famous Satanist.
Alexander Dumas, Author - "The Three Musketeers"
Ali Campbell, Singer with UB40
Alice B. Toklas. Famous Cook - Wrote recipe for Hash Fudge Filmed as. 'I Love You Alice B. Toklas'
Allen Ginsberg, Poet.
Andrea Corr, musician, "The Corrs".
Anjelica Huston, Actress.
Arnold Schwarzenegger. Actor. ``I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.''
Art Garfunkel. Singer of, "Simon and Garfunkel" fame.
Arthur Rimbaud.
Balzac.
Beatles.
Benjamin Franklin, Many claims but little proof.
Bill "...but I didn't inhale." Clinton, Politician.
Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in his Playboy interview.
Bill Murray Arrested for possession.
Bing Crosby. Famous crooner of "I'm dreaming of a White Christmas". Now the Film "High Society" makes sense!
Bix Beiderbecke Jazz musician.
Black Crowes, musicians
Bob Denver, Star of "Gilligan's Island".
Bob Dylan, musician.
Bob Marley, musician
Burt Reynolds, actor. He left his first wife because of her drug use. But he has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
Bruce Lee.
Cab Calloway, Jazz musician. Claimed he only used it once.
Carl Sagan, Scientist - SiFi writer - film "Contact" More info here.
Carlos Santana musician.
Carrie Fischer, Actress
Charlie Sheen, actor.
Charles Beaudelaire, Author.
Cheech Marin, Actor, Don Johnson's sidekick in the TV detective series "Nash Bridges."
Chris Conrad, Author and expert on Cannabis Hemp
Chris Farley. Comedian.
Chrissie Hynde, musician.
Chris Rock, Actor, Comedian, Producer, Screenwriter.
Chubby Checker, Musician. Sang; "Lets Twist Again".
Cilla Black, Musician and presenter. Tried it in the '60's but didn't like it.
Claire Rayner, Agony Aunt.
Conan O'Brian TV Host
Count Basie, Jazz Ban Leader. He was on an DEA file of marajuana users.
Dame Margot Fonteyn, Prima ballerina. Also see entries for Rudolf Nureyev.
David Bailey, Photographer .
Dan Quayle . Politician.
David Hockney, Artist.
Diego Rivera Mexican Artist
Dion Fortune Welsh occultist.
Dionne Warwick, Famous singer of "Walk on by".
Dioscorides Pedanius, 1 st cent. AD. Greek physician. Wrote 'De Materia Medica', used for 1,500 years.
Dizzy Gillespie, Jazz musician He was on an DEA file of marajuana users.
Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
Dr Lester Grinspoon.
Dr R.D.Laing
Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy Re-introduced cannabis to European medicine.
Drew Barrymore, actress.
Duke Ellington, Jazz Band Leader. He was on an DEA file of marajuana users.
Elliott Gould. Actor.
Eminem, musician.
Emperor Liu Chi-nu, made medical recomendation for its use.
Emperor Shen-Nung, made first known medical recommendation for its use.
Errol Flynn, Actor
Evelyn Waugh. Author.
Francis Ford Coppella, Film Director. Mentioned in "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls" by Peter Biskind
Fats Waller, musician.
Fitz Hugh Ludlow - wrote 'The Hasheesh Eater'.
Francois Rabelais. 16 th French author. Recommended it as a food not a high.
Friedrich Nietzsche, Used it as a medicine.
Gary Johnson. Governor of New Mexico - Reformer.
Gene Krupa, Jazz musician.
George Gurdjieff , Russian Mystic.
George W Bush Politician and professional hypocrite.
George Melly, Jazz musician.
George Soros, Financier and reformer.
George Washington , grew it and there is evidence that he prepared it for smoking.
And incidentally many other US presidents use to smoke Hemp.
Thomas Jefferson.
James Madison.
James Monroe.
Andrew Jackson,
Zachary Taylor.
Franklin Pierce.
Also see entries for Bill Clinton and George Bush.
Gerard de Nerval French writer
Graham Greene, Author.
Grateful Dead musicians.
Harrison Ford, Actor. This is a claim made by Bill Maher that has not been denied.
Hasan I-Sabah (Hasan-bin-Sabah) Leader of the Assassins.
Heinrich Khunrath, Medieval Alchemist. and Philosopher.
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. Russian Theosophist.
Henri Michaux poet and painter
Howard Marks. Ex-smuggler and Raconteur.
H R H Prince Harry, Third in line to the British throne.
H R H Princess Margaret, sister to Her Majesty the Queen. Her son disputes the claim.
Howard Stern, admitted it on the radio.
Hua T'o Medical use as anaesthetic .
Hunter S. Thompson, Author
Isabel Allende, Chilean author. Mentioned in her book "Paula".
Jack Kerouac, Author
Jack Nicholson, actor.
Jackie Gleason, actor. Another whom the DEA kept on their pot files.
James Brown, musician
Janis Joplin, musician. Tried it but "... she didn't like marijuana, it gave her the jitters."
Jane Fonda, Actress.
Jennifer Aniston, actress. "I enjoy smoking cannabis and see no harm in it", Daily Mail, 11/9/01.
Jennifer Capriati, Tennis champ.
Jesse Ventura, Governor of Minnesota.
Jesus Christ. 'healed using cannabis'.
Jim Morrison, musician.
Jimmy Dorsey, Jazz musician, He was on an DEA file of marijuana users.
Jimmy Hendrix, musician
Joan of Arc, was accused of using witch herbs (another name for cannabis).
John Belushi, actor. Perhaps not a particularly good role model!
John Denver, musician. He recorded a song about it.
John F Kennedy. Politician.
John Kerry . Politician. US Senator and Presidential candidate. Also see
John Lennon. musician.
John Le Mesurier. Actor. Tried it but said it's not for him.
John Wayne, Actor, "I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me."
Jonathan Miller, Theatre Director.
Johnny Cash, musician. Sang songs for NORML album.
Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter. (UK)
Julia Roberts, Actress, "I smoked dope twice," ..." It made me too sleepy..."
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, legendary Los Angeles Lakers Basketball star
Kary Mullis, Nobel Laurate, Biology. Is on NORML Board of directors.
Ken Kesey, Author of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" (1975)
Kenneth Tynan, Playwright.
Kurt Cobain, musician.
Larry Hagman, actor, of "JR" fame.
Led Zeppelin, musicians.
Lenny Bruce, Comedian.
Lewis Carroll, Author
Lewis Wolpert, biologist.
Little Richard, musician.
Louis Armstrong, Jazz musician. The 'bust' in his own words.
Luke Perry, actor.
Louis Hebert, French Botanist
Mark Stepnoski. two-time Super Bowl champ, Dallas Cowboy.
Mick Jagger, musician
Mike Bloomberg. New York City Mayor.
Mike Tyson, Boxer.
Miles Davis, Jazz musician.
Milton Berle, Actor another one on the DEA list of smokers
Mo Mowlam, Minister recently in charge of UK drug policy.
Modigliani. Sculptor.
Montel Williams Chat show host.
Montgomery Clift, actor, mentioned in his biography.
Neil Diamond, musician.
Neil Young, Musician.
Newt Gingrich Speaker of the US Senate.
Norman Mailer, Author.
Oasis, Noel Gallagher "smoking cannabis is as normal as having a cup of tea"
Ocean Colour Scene, "the hardest smoking band in music" Q Magazine. 02/02.
Oliver Stone, Film Director.
Oscar Wilde, Author. "Bosie and I have taken to hashish,"
Pablo Picasso, Artist.
Pancho Villa, Revolutionary Leader.
Peregrine Worthstone, former editor of the Sunday Telegraph.
Peter Fonda, actor. "I don't trust anybody who didn't inhale."
Peter Sellers, actor.
Peter Tosh, Poet.
Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Former Prime Minister of Canada.
Pink. Musician. Mentioned in Playboy interview (11/02).
Pink Floyd, Musicians.
P. J. O'Rouke. Author.
Pythagoras, Mathematician.
Queen Victoria.
Ram Dass, Philosopher.
Ray Charles, musician.
Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist.
Richard Pryor, actor.
Robert Anton Wilson. Philosopher .
Robert Mitchum, Actor, was jailed in the 40s for possession of marijuana.
Rolling Stones, musicians.
Rosie Boycott, former Editor of the Daily Express and The Independent.
Ross Rebagliati, first ever snowboarding Gold Medallist, 1998 Winter Olympics.
Rudolf Nureyev, Ballet dancer. Also see entry for Margot Fonteyn.
Rudyard Kipling . Author.
Ryan Farrell, Australian Sprint Car champion.
Salvador Dali, Artist.
Samuel Beckett, Author.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Author.
Sidi-Hidi. Sacred religious figure of Morocco, believed to have brought cannabis to the Atlas.
Sinead O'Connor, musician.
Sir Paul McCartney, Musician.
Sir Mick Jagger, Musician. Of whom it was written; "Who breaks a butterfly on a wheel".
Snoop Dogg, musician.
Steve Martin , Actor.
Stephen King. Author, "Tommy Knockers".
Steve Jobs, co-creator of the Apple computer.
Steven Soderbergh, Film director.
Stephen Sondheim. Broadway composer and lyricist.
Sting / Gordon Sumners, musician.
Ted Turner, of CNN fame. This is a claim made by Bill Maher that has not been denied
Terence McKenna.
Terry Pratchett. Author of the "Diskworld" books. A bit of a cheeky claim perhaps, in that he did not object to being given a "cake".
The Who, musicians.
Thelonious Monk, Jazz musician.
Timothy Leary
Tomas Enge, Formula 3000 World Champion.
Tommy Chong. Actor with Cheech Marin in "Up in Smoke " - "Cheech & Chong".
Tommy Lee, Musician.
Tony Booth, the father-in-law of Britain's Prime Minister. Smoked it in No 10.
UB40, Band.
Victor Hugo. Author 'Les Misérables'
Walter 'Stumpy' Brennan actor.
Walter Benjamin, Philosopher.
Wesley Snipes, actor. Has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
Whitney Houston, musician.
William Butler Yeats. Famous Irish Poet and Occultist.
William S. Burroughs, Author.
William Shakespeare. Dramatist. More here.
Willie Nelson, musician.
Woody Harrelson, Actor and reformer.
Zoroaster, Persian prophet.
Isaac Abrams, artist LSD
Tim Allen, actor, comedian "Home Improvement", "The Santa Clause" cocaine
Richard Alpert (also known as Baba Ram Das), psychologist, author, guru LSD
Lewis Daniel Armstrong, musician ("Satchmo") marijuana
Allen Atwell, artist LSD
Marcus Aurelius, philosopher, emperor of Rome opium
Ginger Baker, musician amphetamines
Tallulah Bankhead, actress cocaine
Marion Barry, mayor of Washington, D.C. cocaine, alcohol
Charles Baudelaire, poet absinthe
The Beatles, musicians marijuana, LSD
John Belushi, comedian, actor marijuana, heroin, cocaine
Sarah Bernhardt, actress cocaine
Elizabeth Barrett Browning, poet opium
Lenny Bruce, comedian, free speech activist marijuana, heroin
William S. Burroughs, historian, author: "Naked Lunch", "I, Claudius" cocaine, opium
Lewis Carrol, mathematician, photographer, author: "Alice in Wonderland" mushrooms
Winston Churchill, British prime minister alcohol
Grover Cleveland, U.S. president cocaine
William Clinton, U.S. president "Well, I did smoke pot, but I didn't inhale. And I was in England, so it really doesn't count. Plus, no-one saw me. So what's the big fuss? The half million people arrested for pot last year are just sore losers." (If you got locked up for a few decades, you would be too.) marijuana
Jean Cocteau, playwrite: "Orpheus" opium
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet: "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" opium (laudanum)
Wilkie Collins, author: "The Moonstone" opium
David Crosby, Musician, founding member of "The Byrds" and "Crosby, Stills and Nash" marijuana, cocaine
Aleister Crowley, magician, author: "Magick Without Tears", "Moonchild", "The Book of Thoth", "Diary of a Drug Fiend", "Theory of Magick" EVERYTHING
Salivor Dali, painter "Everyone should eat hashish, but only once." hashish
Thomas DeQuincy, author: "Confessions of an English Opium-Eater" opium (laudanum)
Charles Dickens, author: "A Christmas Carol", "Oliver Twist" opium
Arthur Conan Doyle, logican, author: "Sherlock Holmes" (a cocaine user) opium
Isadora Duncan (revolutionized dance) cocaine
Thomas Alva Edison, inventor, industrialist cocaine, alcohol
Havelock Ellis, physician, author: "Psychology of Sex", essay: "Mezcal: A New Artificial Paradise" peyote
Carrie Fisher, Actress, screenwriter prescription drugs
Ben Franklin, inventor, publisher, scientist, American statesman opium, marijuana
Peter Fonda, actor marijuana, LSD
Sigmund Freud, physician, "Father of Psychoanalysis" cocaine
Jerry Garcia, musician (with The Grateful Dead), philospher, spiritual consultant to Jefferson Airplane, religious leader LSD, marijuana, heroin
Newt Ginrich, Speaker of the Senate "See, when I smoked pot it was illegal, but not immoral. Now, it is illegal AND immoral. The law didn't change, only the morality. That's why you get to go to jail and I don't. Any questions?" Yes, does he really believe himself? marijuana
Al Gore, U.S. vice-president "My work on the environment is so important that I can't take the time off to go to jail for something so trivial as marijuana. But its okay with me if you go." (Insensitive snot) marijuana
Ulysses S. Grant, U.S. president cocaine, alcohol
Grateful Dead, musicians marijuana
Jimi Hendrix, musician, singer, legendary guitar player LSD, heroin
Albert Hoffman, chemist, discovered LSD and became a proponant LSD
Billie Holliday, singer opium
Dennis Hopper, actor marijuana
Aldous Huxley, author: "Brave New World", "Island", "Doors of Perception" mescaline
William James, physician, philosopher nitrous oxide, ether, peyote
Jefferson Airplane/Starship, musicians maijuana
Thomas Jefferson, U.S. president, inventor, architect, marijuana farmer marijuana
Jesus the Nazerite, Carpenter, Rabbi, "Christ"
* Amanita muscaria, also known as fly agaric. Evidence available from R. Gordon Wasson, ("Soma, The Divine Mushroom of Immortality") mushroom expert and executive to J.P. Morgan. Another case was made by John M. Allegro, noted Bible scholar and linguist, who presented evidence in "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" that the story of Jesus was actually an allegory on the properties of the amanita. alcohol, mushrooms*
Steve Jobs, co-creator of the Apple computer, the NeXt computer, and former head of Apple Computers, Inc. marijuana, LSD
Janis Joplin, singer heroin, alcohol
Stacy Keach, actor (Mike Hammer) cocaine
John Keats, poet opium
Ken Kesey, author: "One Flew Over the Coo-Coo's Nest", "Once a Great Notion"
* Mr. Kesey's personal correction: I only had him down for LSD, to which he commented that someone not willing to try anything, is not a real truth-seeker, but only a dilatant. EVERYTHING*

Archibald Leach (actor Cary Grant) LSD
Timothy Leary, psychologist, Father of Transactional Analysis, software author: "Mindwheel". "Turn on, tune in, drop out." LSD, marijuana
Donovan Leich, musician LSD, marijuana
Pope Leo XIII cocaine
John Cunningham Lilly, physician, scientist (electronics, dolphin communication, sensory deprivation), philosopher, author: "Mind of the Dolphin", "Center of the Cyclone" LSD, ketamine

Bela Lugosi, actor opium, morphine
Bob Marley, musician "The Father of Reggae Music" marijuana
Judge Marquat, Arizona Supreme Court Justice, involved in Miranda ruling. marijuana
Joseph McCarthy, U.S. Senator opium
Joni Mitchell, Musician Marijuana
Wier Mitchell, physician, author: "Injuries of the Nerves and their Consequences" peyote
Mohammed, spiritual leader hashish
Marcia Moore, Sheraton Hotel heiress, author: "Hypersentience", Journeys into the Bright World" LSD marijuana, ketamine
Jim Morrison, lead singer for The Doors cocaine, alocohol, LSD, marijuana
Mothers of Invention, musicians LSD, marijuana
Willi Nelson, musician marijuana
Jack Nicholson, actor marijuana, LSD
Stevie Nicks, singer cocaine
Philippus Aureolus Paracelsus, Father of Modern Medicine opium
Pablo Picasso, painter, "The smell of opium is the least stupid smell in the world." opium
Plotinus, Roman philosopher, 205-270 AD opium
Edgar Allen Poe, poet, author: "The Raven", "The Fall of the House of Usher" opium
Jackson Pollack, painter (His work sold for up to $8,000,000 a piece.) alcohol
Cole Porter, composer cocaine
Elvis Presley, singer, actor prescription drugs
Richard Pryor, actor, comedian cocaine
Cardinal Duc de Richelieu, leading minister to king Louis XIII opium
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, U.S. president alcohol
Sir Walter Scott, poet, author opium
Shelly, poet opium
Arlene Sklar-Weinstein, artist LSD
Robert Louis Stevenson, author cocaine, morphine
The Rolling Stones (reputed to be the greatest rock-and-roll band in the world) marijuana, LSD
Desmond Taylor, film director cocaine
Clarence Thomas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice "I was smart enough to use pot without getting caught, and now I'm on the Supreme Court. If you were stupid enough to get caught, that's your problem. Your appeal is denied. This 40 year sentence just might teach you a lesson." Clearly, a hateful man. marijuana
Vincent Van Gogh, painter absinthe, camphor
Jesse Ventura, wrestler, governor of Minnesota marijuana
Jules Verne, author: "The Time Machine", "War of the Worlds", "2,000 Leagues Under the Sea" cocaine
George Washington, U.S. president, marijuana farmer marijuana (sensimilla)
Allen Watts, Zen philosopher, masters degree in religion, doctorate in divinity, author: "The Joyous Cosmology", "Zen Sticks, Zen Bones", "The Taboo against Knowing Who You Are", "The Wisdom of Insecurity". LSD, marijuana, mescaline, psilocybin, dimethyl-tryptamine (DMT), alcohol
Andrew Wiel, physician, psychopharmicologist, anthropologist, fire-walker, alternative health expert, author: "The Natural Mind", "Spontaneous Healing", "8 Weeks to Optimum Health" marijuana, peyote, yage (S. American hallucinagin)
William Wilberforce, almost singlehandedly got slavery abolished throughout the British Empire opium
 
As I said make them legal but at the same time make it legal to deal with those who bring it my way.

What is bringing them your way? Does that mean if somebody is smoking a joint in your presence, or the presence of your offspring, you can pop a cap in their 'gluts?

Drugs are used and abused by weak people.

I take it then that when you take an antibiotic, an analgesic or even a shot of NyQuil, YOU are being weak? They ARE drugs afterall....
 
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What is America’s largest cash crop? Well, some might say: Wheat or corn or marijuana or something like that. However, the largest cash crop in America is Black-Americans. The growing of Black-Americans for profit is one of the great business success stories in world history.

All cash crops are designed to produce a profit by providing a consumer with a product that he will pay the grower to produce. In America, White-American-farmers have raised Black-American-growing into an art form. A well-grown Black-American is a sure criminal.

Black-American-growing is very easy as crops go. All that is required to raise Black-Americans is some land that can be turned into a rat, roach, and disease infested slum (AKA inner city.)

To help insure that Black-Americans grow quickly into a criminal crop the farmers of Black-Americans created a special type of Fertilizer called WELFARE, which gives enough nutrients and other growth aids to produce record criminal crops each year. However, the real secret to the success of Black-American-growing is a special ingredient that all Black-American-growers use: DRUGS.

Drugs, especially cocaine, heroin, crack-cocaine, and other such additives are the key to insuring that the crop will grow to its full criminal potential.

When the Black-American has developed to a certain size the final growing process is implemented to give the crop its potency: This process is a collection of crop-enhancers, such as little or no education; no jobs or dead-end jobs; and a constant reinforcement of the principle that Black-Americans are victims, as crops go.

Now, who benefits from this cash crop? It’s the entire criminal-justice system (CJS). Together this collection of police, lawyers, judges, jails, prisons, federal agencies, Democrats, Republicans, social workers, and many others who make up or support the CJS represent millions of Americans and hundreds of billions of dollars a year in income as they address America’s Black criminal problem. The monies spent to grow, arrest, prosecute, and jail Black-Americans is greater than the budget for any other governmental agency, including our combined defense budget. The profits from Black-American-growing makes the total profits from the Fortune 500 companies look like chump-change.

If Drugs were made legal tomorrow, the resulting reduction in the crime rate would throw America into a major depression as millions of people associated with Black-American inprisonment would be out of work. If you think the downsizing of our military-industrial complex took a hit when communism was no longer a major threat - just imagine what would happen should crime no longer be a problem.

As Black-Americans are essential for crime the crop will be maintained in its current format. The drugs will remain ILLEGAL. This is very important, since the drugs with Welfare are the main ingredients for a good healthy Black-American crop.

As some Black-American-growers recently commented. “You can’t just let Black-Americans grow by themselves. If left to their own devices they quickly overtake and become dominant in whatever field they are planted. Heck, just look at sports. Use to be all white, then they planted a few Black-Americans - now Black-Americans dominate most major sports. Whatever those Black-Americans try to do they always excel at and that is bad news for White Americans. So proper growing of Black-Americans is essential for a healthy, prosperous White America.â€

To help insure that Black-Americans will continue to be America’s cash crop of choice, Drug lords the world over give hundreds of millions of dollars each year to Republican and Democratic political leaders and thousands upon thousands of federal, state, and local law enforcement types to make sure that they continue to fight on behalf of the American Black-American-growers by attacking drug legalization as a threat to America, when In reality it is only a threat to the financial well-being of them and their fellow Black-American-growers and supporters of the CJS.

And finally, our government in Washington will do all it can to continue to create, fund, and promote Welfare, substandard housing, low-paying, dead-end jobs, inferior public education, the war-on-drugs, and anything else they can do to help keep the Black-American-crop growing so millions of White Americans can reap the benefits it provides for them.
 
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