Poll on position for legalizing drugs

How legal do you want drugs to be?

  • Execution or life sentence for all illegal drug users and dealers.

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • Execute or life sentence for all drug dealers.

    Votes: 22 6.5%
  • Ban alchohol and tobacco, maybe even caffeine

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep the drug laws the way they are

    Votes: 21 6.2%
  • legalize Marijuanna for medical use

    Votes: 16 4.7%
  • legalize Marijuanna/individual drugs

    Votes: 65 19.2%
  • legalize most drugs

    Votes: 72 21.3%
  • legalize all drugs

    Votes: 135 39.9%

  • Total voters
    338
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why_me,

Antibiotcs treat a illness,the ones we are discussing "ARE" the illness.

How to deal with them if they come my way,anyway I want.If they have the right to mainstream,I have the right to make it less so around me and mine.Equal rights heh?

Weak,how weak? As weak as coming up with the oppressed black youth crop analogy,"Why me?It's whities falt".That is not a reason it is an "EXCUSE".When foolish arguments make no sense come up with a even more foolish one and add bit of racism for a little spice,weak and shows how foolish this thread has become.

CW
 
Almost every watershed anti drug law was rooted in racism. Sorry if you cant handle the truth. Although your sig line is telling.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm
According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.

Can you read this? Will you?
The next great wave of anti-drug legislation began in the late 19th century, and continues to the present day. The United States have been the driving force in the present war on drugs.

The first law outright prohibiting the use of a specific drug was a San Francisco, California ordinance which banned the smoking of opium in opium dens in 1875. The inspiration was "many women and young girls, as well as young men of respectable family, were being induced to visit the Chinese opium-smoking dens, where they were ruined morally and otherwise." The primary cause of the movement for the law was a moral panic based on a fear of Chinese immigrants and other railroad workers seducing white women with the drug. This was followed by other laws throughout the country, and federal laws which barred Chinese people from trafficking in opium. Though the laws affected the use and distribution of opium by Chinese immigrants, no action was taken against the producers of such products as laudanum, a mixture of opium and alcohol, commonly taken as a panacea by white Americans. The dividing line was usually the manner in which the drug was ingested. Chinese immigrants smoked it, while it was included in various kinds of (generally liquid) medicines for white people. The laws were aimed at smoking opium, but not otherwise ingesting it. 1 (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu6.htm) As a result of this discrepancy, modern commentators believe that these laws were racist in origin and intent.

Cocaine was prohibited in the first part of the 20th century. Newspapers used terms like "Negro Cocaine Fiends" and "Cocainized *******" to drive up sales, causing a nationwide panic about the rape of white women by black men, high on cocaine. Many police forces changed from a .32 caliber to a .38 caliber pistol because the smaller gun was supposedly unable to kill black men when they were high on cocaine.

This was followed by the Harrison Act, which required sellers of opiates and cocaine to get a license (which were usually only distributed to white people). The supporters of the Harrison Act did not support blanket prohibition of the drugs involved 1 (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu8.html). This is also true of the later Marijuana Tax Act in 1937. Soon, however, the people who were allowed to issue the licenses did not do so, effectively banning the drugs.

The American judicial system did not initially accept drug prohibition. Prosecutors argued that possessing drugs was a tax violation, as no legal licenses to sell drugs were in existence; hence, a person possessing drugs must have purchased them from an unlicensed source. After some wrangling, this was accepted as federal jurisdiction under the interstate commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.

The prohibition of alcohol commenced in the United States and Finland in 1919. Because alcohol was the most popular recreational drug in these countries, reactions to its prohibition were very different to those of other drugs, which were commonly perceived to be associated with racial and ethnic minorities. Public pressure led to the repealing of alcohol prohibition in 1933 in the United States, 1932 in Finland. Residents of many provinces of Canada also experienced alcohol prohibition for similar periods of time in the first half of the 20th century.

1937 saw the passage of the Marijuana Tax Act. Harry J. Anslinger (Bureau of Narcotics Commissioner) testified in hearings on the subject that the hemp plant needed to be banned because it had a violent "effect on the degenerate races". This specifically referred to Mexican immigrants who had entered the country, seeking jobs during the Great Depression. The law passed quickly and with little debate. The American Medical Association (AMA) protested the law soon after, both on the grounds of actual disagreement with the law and the supporters' lies on the subject; Anslinger and others had claimed the AMA had vocalized support when, in fact, the opposite was true.

In response to rising drug use amongst young people and the counter-culture in particular, efforts to enforce prohibition were strengthened in many countries from the late 1960s onwards. In 1972 United States president Richard Nixon announced the commencement of the so-called War on Drugs. Later, President Reagan added the position of drug czar to the President's Executive Office.
 
How to deal with them if they come my way,anyway I want.If they have the right to mainstream,I have the right to make it less so around me and mine.Equal rights heh?
Shooting smokers is your "right"...? :rolleyes: Ok... So you think you have the "right" to shoot people because you do not like their behavior. Do people that do not like your point of view being mainstream have the right to shoot you then? :scrutiny: I made that comment to point out the flaw in your logic, not to advocate any violence.
 
Latest Club drug and it is legal

Should we ban this?
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the unstable radical Hydroxide, the components of which are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
For more detailed information, including precautions, disposal procedures and storage requirements, refer to the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and saccharine), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.

Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he conducted would not be necessary.


A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.

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why_me, Antibiotcs treat a illness,the ones we are discussing "ARE" the illness.

How to deal with them if they come my way,anyway I want.If they have the right to mainstream,I have the right to make it less so around me and mine.Equal rights heh?

K. Show me the pure cultured strain of the causative organism of the illness of 'addiction'. Oh, and dude, the term is MAINLINE, not mainstream. Mainstream is the word used to describe putting "special education" and "handicaped" students into the general population of our public schools.

Yes, you do have the right to associate with those of your choosing. Of course, if you chose to not associate with other by means of lethal action with out just cause, don't be too surprised if the rest of us get together and teach you to dance on the breeze at the end of rope.

Your right of free associating in PUBLIC spaces end when you attempt to impose your views on your fellow citizens in PUBLIC spaces. Exclude me from your home, No Problem. Ostracize me from your church, No Problem. Teach your kids that I'm a BAD man, No Problem. Attempt to tell me that I may not wear my sidearm/smoke a spliff in a PUBLIC venue, and threaten leathal force?

YOU have a problem.

Well, as the Bard once said, "..Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war..."
 
Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide and you will make a criminal out of me!

David

(Who enjoys chortling quietly to himself about the funny trick he's played on you all by voting for such an outlandishly silly idea.)
 
On the original topic:

I'd not oppose the decriminalization of recreational drugs IF every tax funded program that supports addicts were eliminated first. I have no problem with people abusing themselves with pharmaceuticals. I have a problem with being taxed to treat, feed and clothe them so they can keep doing it. Get rid of welfare, Medicaid, WICs, foodstamps, etc. and all programs aimed at addicts, and then I’ll demand decriminalization.

If I house, feed, clothe and generally support someone, I don’t feel bad telling them what they can and can’t do. If you can take care of yourself, I don’t care what drugs you do.


David
 
only1asterisk said:
I'd not oppose the decriminalization of recreational drugs IF every tax funded program that supports addicts were eliminated first. I have no problem with people abusing themselves with pharmaceuticals. I have a problem with being taxed to treat, feed and clothe them so they can keep doing it. Get rid of welfare, Medicaid, WICs, foodstamps, etc. and all programs aimed at addicts, and then I’ll demand decriminalization.

(checks list). Yup, eliminating welfare is part of the list. However, How is WIC and medicaid aimed at addicts? WIC is to help ensure that new mothers have the proper nutrition for their babies. My parents don't use drugs, and they were on WIC when I was born (air force didn't pay much even back then...).

If you really want, insist on monthly/random drug checks for the programs... I bet it'd save alot of money.
 
The now illegal drugs will probably be legalized as soon as some politician can think of a way to tax them. At least it was that way with booze. I think it is tough to legislate peoples morals. As long as there is demand there will be a supply.
 
Firethorn,

No, neither the WIC or Medicaid programs are aimed at drug abuser. I listed several programs that have "worthy" causes. My contention is that the .gov has no business doing any of these things, regardless of how many people they help. They would all have to be done away with before I could support decriminalization. Zero tax funded shelter, food, medical care, money, etc., Not just for addicts, but everyone. No low income housing, free school lunches, .gov day care programs, social security, the works.

It isn't the government's purpose to prop poor people up.
Cold hearted? You might think so, but then you don't know where my money or spare time goes.


David
 
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Why_Me: It might interest you to know that in its pure form, the US Navy has consigned DHMO to its Hazardous Material lockers aboard ship.

In its most common impure form it has led directly to the deaths of thousands and thousands of sailors. :eek:
 
I hope you all dont look down on me

But i have abused DMHO. I use it often and find it has no ill affects on me.
That was my main interest in this poll. I dont want to be a criminal just becuase of a little vice. My using DMHO doesnt hurt anyone else.
 
Sindawe,

Druggies are trying to put drug use in the cultural MAINSTREAM even though most prefer to mainline.It hids the weakness if the can convince others it is "normal".

You have the problem,most likely chemical because drug if you can not see addicates are trying to legalize drugs AKA harmful substances abused by the weak,so they can put them in public spaces near me and mine imposing their harmful views on me.

So who belongs at the end of a rope?How many druggies does it take to tie one? Would that be called a "tweak knot"?

Lay of the stuff and clear your mind you may shoot yourself in the foot or hurt someone else.

CW
 
A few random thoughts.

I find it sort of interesting that it is hard to imagine what it would be like if drugs were legalized. Many people think our society would fall apart. Many people believe that individual people can't be trusted to make their own rational decisions: only the government can be trusted to make those decisions. Well, what are some other things that sort of fall into this same catagory. Living in Nevada, we have a couple things that are perfectly legal here, that are illegal most places: gaming and prostitution. In other parts of the country, police agencies spend a lot of time and money trying to stamp out these acts, yet they thrive everywhere. What if we just said yes ? What would happen ? Well, we need look no further than Nevada. We seem to have gotten along fine without making this stuff illegal.
Do some people ruin their lives in these persuits ? Sure they do, just like they do in every other part of the country. Are people drawn in against their will and forced to act irresponsibly ? No. Are children's lives ruined forever because they see this stuff ? I don't think so. Are children allowed to take part in legal gaming and prostitution ? No. Are these laws against minors taking part enforced effectively ? Absolutely.
Probably the most significant part of it is that these pursuits are much safer than they are in areas where they are illegal. Think about gambling: first of all, if you choose to gamble, you can do so without fear of arrest. Second, you can be about as confident as is possible that the game is on the up and up. It is not rigged. You will not be cheated. Why ? Because these businesses are licenced and monitored by the gaming control board. They ensure that everything is on the level. If it isn't, they lose their gaming license. The setting is beautiful, and clean and it is an all around enjoyable persuit for those that find things like this enjoyable. Miillions of people per year come here to spend their vacation. Yet, elsewhere, this is illegal ? The people who enforce these laws in other parts of the country come here on their vacation and don't seem to see anything wrong with it.
What about prostitution ? First of all I think we all need to admit that prostitution takes place in every town and city in the world. They don't call it the oldest profession for nothing. A lot of the same things apply here as they did with gambing. If you decide to take part, it is done in a clean and safe environment. Not in some alley in some seedy part of town. You don't have to worry about getting rolled. You don't have to worry about getting beat up by a pimp. The girls don't have to fear for their lives or safety from the johns. But the most important thing is sexually transmitted disease. Nevada legal prostitutes are required to undergo testing for sexually transmitted disease prior to beginning their work cycle. Once they enter the brothel, they are not allowed to leave without being retested Every client is required by law to protect themselves and the prostitute by using a condom. Think about that for a moment. There is no where else in the world that you can meet a woman and be assured that they are free from disease other than a Nevada brothel. I don't care if you met the woman in church, you never really know.
 
CWatson said:
Druggies are trying to put drug use in the cultural MAINSTREAM even though most prefer to mainline.It hids the weakness if the can convince others it is "normal".

You have the problem,most likely chemical because drug if you can not see addicates are trying to legalize drugs AKA harmful substances abused by the weak,so they can put them in public spaces near me and mine imposing their harmful views on me.

So who belongs at the end of a rope?How many druggies does it take to tie one? Would that be called a "tweak knot"?

Lay of the stuff and clear your mind you may shoot yourself in the foot or hurt someone else.

CW
You know, I'm trying hard to figure out what you have just said there, CW. I can't. Especially in that second paragraph. I must be too sober.

I can sort of go along with "drug abuse is for the weak" thing, but even if we take that as a given, I just can't see how that's a reason to stop the said weak from doing it. Wouldn't that be some kind of natural selection and therefore good for the gene pool?
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Hey Cwatson

I use DMHO frequently. I find no bad effects from it and it is not illegal as yet .
If a substance is legal is that allright for your morality for me to take it? Do feel you have a right to make my DMHO habit prohibitive? Would you shoot me if i was to tell the truth about DMHO to your kids and offer them some?
Jesse Ventura said
"drugs are gods way of killing the stupid"
btw he is for legalising drugs and prostitution
 
You know, I'm trying hard to figure out what you have just said there, CW. I can't. Especially in that second paragraph. I must be too sober.
I too have difficulty parsing what CW has said here. Perhaps if he took more care in crafting his postings his meaning and intent would be clear.

So you guys are DHMO abusers as well? <Heavy sigh of relief> I thought I was the only one here. I'm HORRIBLY addicted to the stuff and need a fix many times a day. I must use close to 4 kilograms a day. Maybe we should start a DHMO anonymous group?
 
You know, 100% of drug addicts and criminals use Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Coincidence?

I think not. This dangerous substance should be banned immediately, for the chillllllldruuuuun.
 
I think the worst part of DHMO addiction is the withdrawal symptoms. They ended up giving me my dose via IV. They said I would've died if they hadn't.
 
Here in Montana, there is a particularly dangerous form of DHMO, it is so clear you can hardly see it, so you can step in over your head. We call that mainstreaming it. I never endulge in it myself, they say fish **** in it, though I do have friends who dilute good whiskey with it. Many towns and cities add toxins to it such as fluoride, and many health advisors even say you ought to hammer down 1/2 gallon a day.
 
Horshradish,

Sorry you do not understand what I have stated,most of that post was a response to on of Sindaw's earlier post.

Sindaw,

The terms and compairisions are simple enough,even for the impaired to understand.

How many druggies/users/abusers does it take to convince the sober drugs are good for society or at least cause no harm?

None,the more who come out simply show how bad the problem is.



CW
 
Arguably, the more that come out do show that it does no harm, as the more people that are revealed to be currently using drugs and not causing problems, the more well-supported the argument that responsible drug use does not cause problems.
 
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