Pregnant couple attacked by 5 girls on bus

[cassandrasdaddy]

this

He's trying to control his GF. If she wasn't part of the problem he wouldn't have tried to block her access to the others.

made me wonder if there is history we don't know or if this young man was just very wise already about hormones. wasn't that big a deal from what i saw he did real well. got the most important good result girl and baby safe. all the chest beating is just too highschool for me. the most dangerous critter in that video is the pregnant girl

 

[SSN Vet]

for just a bit of trivial jostling.

the crazy one is swinging from the hand bar and kicking the guy in the head....

trivial jostling?

Have you ever been kicked in the head.

If she had connected well, he could have been down on the ground in a daze and I have no doubts that these sweet little darlings would not have hesitated one minute form trivially stomping his head...

 

[SSN Vet]

"Don't hit girls, but if they can dish it out they can take it"

I wish my wifes relatives would catch on to this one, as her nephew gets slapped and punched by his sister all the time.

She's sweet as sugar for daddy.... turns it on and off like flippin' a switch.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Well It's like I tell my boys, don't hit girls
if they act like proper nice girls
don't hit them

if they don't, then gender equality kicks in, and they are just as equal, as who the decide to hit, and will be dealt with as...

 

[Double Naught Spy]

trivial jostling?

Have you ever been kicked in the head.

I think we could probably find incidents from just about every state to justify kicking the head as a use of lethal force or is likely to cause serious injury and as such can be countered with lethal force.

King County Metro is in Seattle, WA. I seem to recall that they had another group beating earlier this year as well.

 

[killchain]

Not exactly. What one might "feel" to be necessary is subjective, and if that were the standard, there would effectively be no prohibition on homicide occurring in the case of any argument, scuffle, or melee. It is incumbent upon an actor who has threatened or used deadly force to present some evidence to the effect that he reasonably believed that his action had been immediately necessary.

No, those words are not contained in the text of the statute on justifiable homicide in Washington State. They are, however, contained in other parts of the legal mosaic. Relying on a lay interpretation of a single statute to justify an act that would normally be unlawful without taking into account other relevant statures and case law is usually a dangerous gambit. A better way to look at things is to realize that if you have already gotten into a dangerous situation, the use of deadly force is called for only if there is no other alternative. Of course, even then, it will be up to the actor to provide evidence that such force had been necessary, and the state may provide evidence that contradicts the actor's account of the incident.

By the way, the section of the code for which you provided the link applies to a public officer or peace officer, or someone assisting a peace officer.

It will benefit no one to discuss what the authorities might have determined had things gone a different way. The best content so far in this string has been the contribution by hso, in which he gives advise on how not to be an attractive target, and on how to get out of such a situation should things take a turn for the worse.

Here's the RCW for justifiable homicide without a peace officer present. This particular RCW is down the chain from the original one I posted, but still falls under the same RCW code. The start of the entire RCW code is here:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.010

And for the record, I didn't say I condoned him hurting anyone to protect her. I just said it was within his legal scope to do so.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.050

Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.

 

[Kleanbore]

Posted by killchain: Here's the RCW for justifiable homicide without a peace officer present.

I know exactly where it is.

See this:

In this Internet age, many people have found it is easy to search for and read the state criminal codes. A warning is in order: trying to interpret a particular law in isolation by using lay dictionary definitions can lead to erroneous conclusions. Case law—decisions rendered by high courts in the interpretation of the laws—and relationships among other pertinent laws and constitutional principles can have as much to do with the real meaning of the law as the words in a single statute.

For this reason, we strongly discourage the rote cutting and pasting into posts of state legal codes to support one’s position in a discussion here, and we advise against the reliance on same to justify the lawfulness of a particular course of action.

Such reliance is particularly dangerous when it comes to justifying the use of deadly force. The use of a weapon, and even its display by a civilian in many circumstances, is normally an unlawful act. Relying upon a layman’s interpretation of the code to justify the use of a weapon is usually not a good idea. Probably the safest philosophy is that a deadly weapon should be used only when it is immediately necessary and when there is no alternative.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=561603

And for the record, I didn't say I condoned him hurting anyone to protect her. I just said it was within his legal scope to do so.

Does that reflect qualified legal advice?

Over the years, I have seen a number of people try to justify a potential course of action though their own lay interpretation of a statute, Federal code, or regulation taken in isolation, often with supreme confidence in their conclusions--but in the event, often incorrectly. There are the matters of precedence, legal theory, and the meaning of other relevant law or regulation.

Would reasonable force (non-deadly force) have been permissible? One would certainly think so based on appearances, but we see what we think happened, and had force been used, and should this have ended up in a trial, it is conceivable that evidence would have come out indicating otherwise.

That's why we have courts.

 

[Webbj0219]

I generally wouldnt hit a girl. This would warrant getting a lil physical in my book. Im not talking about giving them a good ground and pound. Just enough to regain control of the situation. ie, one of them decides to hit my girl and unborne child shes the one thats gonna get knocked down first.

This guy probably had a foot of hight on any of those girls. If he played it right he could have gotten better control of the situation than he did. I congratulate him one stepping up there when fists started flying and breaking it up. Thats only step one though. Seems to me like he got kinda passive at that point. Id start barking out orders like a drill sargent till all the girls sat down in their seats and we could sort this out like adults. If one of the girls climbes up in the handles and tries to kick me in the head, shell just get knocked back into her seat the hard way.

Thats just the way I played out the ending in my own mind. He could have been alot more intimidating. I think He really should have grabbed the bull by the horns on this one more than he did. I think it would have ended much better. No need for a gun here, Just more control of the situation. This young man is probably as big as the assistant principle he could have handled these girls like a teacher would If he had the right mindset, he already had the toolset he needed.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

i think the young guy has more experience than most here
lets recap the important points
g/f ok? check
baby ok? check
is he facing charges? nope double check
is he having to live with the consequences of his pride or hormones over riding his brain? nope big check


one thing i noticed was that when it got interesting he was focused on his g/f and her actions young man knows things we don't g/f wasn't afraid she was gonna kick some butt. not good thinking

 

[ohioshooter]

Any woman (teenager or otherwise) who is dumb enough to stand up to a 6'1 250 solid guy and throw punches, kicks or whatever, makes me smart enough to knock them back into their mothers womb to rethink being born again.

 

[The-Reaver]

If a woman wants to slap and rough me up ( wife only ) its ok given the situation, but the woman better realize ( she does ) " if she comes at me like a man, she'll get dealt with like a man "
I'm not saying I would shoot my wife, I'm saying that in that situation I would not hesitate in the slightest to knock some teen queen off her high horse.

 

[nigmalg]

i think the young guy has more experience than most here
lets recap the important points
g/f ok? check
baby ok? check
is he facing charges? nope double check
is he having to live with the consequences of his pride or hormones over riding his brain? nope big check

The girlfriend was bleeding from her eye by the end of the battle. Determining if the baby or girlfriend was OK would be entirely inside the realm of hindsight.

I think in this case it would be premature to judge his experience based on what could be argued a "lucky" result, no?