pulled over with my gun condition 1 omg!!!

[rbernie]

So what's the problem? What do you want me to do?"

How did you answer this?

 

[tat2edangel]

I told him I guess I didn't expect anything more then what I got. A bad attitude. That's when he said he thought I was making more out of this then he felt it was but he would look over the dash cam recording and get back to me. Then he went out into the outer office were I heard him talking to another officer saying "its just some jerk pissed he got a ticket now he's trying to start trouble"
After hearing that I just thank you for your time and got up and left. I think I will call a few attorneys tomorrow. With Thanksgiving this week I don't expect anything to really come of it, if at all. I tell you this town is totaly interconnected. I WON'T say corrupt because I know a few good men but I will say the good ol' boy club is in full force here!

 

[RoosterCT]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but are you talking to a lawyer merely because a cop kept asking "why?" Dumb question for him to ask, but he just sounds uneducated...whats the purpose of lawyer?

 

[dcal]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but are you talking to a lawyer merely because a cop kept asking "why?" Dumb question for him to ask, but he just sounds uneducated...whats the purpose of lawyer?

Rooster I think the lawyer is getting involved because of the following. Emphasis added by me.

SD concealed carry laws say i have to tell the officer that i am armed. He kind of got big chested grabbed my arm spun me around and over the hood of the car then asked me where it was. I keep my hands on the hood told him it was on my hip and in condition one. He took the gun from the holster and that is when he started to bug out about it being cocked and locked. 7 in the mag 1 in the pipe and 7 more in the mag in my watch pocket 15 rounds total of 230gr. Fedral Hydro-Shok. The first words out of his mouth were "what the hell are you doing carring this gun like this and with all this ammo on you" then he looked at the ammo and asked why hollowpoints. I wasnt about to get into no kind of confrontation with him so i just keep replying that i was legaly able to carry the firearm and that condition one is the proper way to do so!!

 

[2ndAmendmentDemocrat]

It seems cop reactions to armed folks are pretty varied. My bro's a cop in Charlotte, NC, and his training tells him to ask if he can hang on to the gun during the traffic stop or pedestrian stop, and either leave it in the person's trunk or give it back to him unloaded and ask him to wait until he leaves to reload it.

 

[DigitalWarrior]

I was stopped by a police officer once, I kept my hands on the dash and informed him that "I have a Pistol Permit and am currently armed". He said something like "Thanks for telling me, now I don't have to worry about it."

To be honest, I never expected that to happen in real life. That officer in my town deserves a big thanks.

He didn't even write a ticket.

DW

 

[ZO6Vettever]

First off, I'm telling the LEO I'm legally armed and where it is from the get go. They are trained to spot a concealed weapon and I would much rather rat myself out than be made. Then we can proceed however he wants. Granted a lot of the LEO's look like snot nose kids to us old ba$***** but they have been trained to do a job most of us don't want. It don't cost nothing to be nice and make their job a little less stressful and it my get you off with a warning.

 

[rhweb32]

As an LEO, I don't care if you have a gun, as long as I don't see it. In montana, everyone has them anyways. Z06vettever, it's the agressive people with something to hide that get the snot nosed treatment..... I'm 23 so I can dish it out with the best of them!

 

[Treo]

First off, I'm telling the LEO I'm legally armed and where it is from the get go(SNIP) It don't cost nothing to be nice and make their job a little less stressful and it my get you off with a warning.

Or it may get you slammed face first into the hood of you car while the cop is handcuffing you and calling for back up.

Problem is, you have no way of knowing until you open your mouth.

 

[tat2edangel]

Just got off phone with the same shifty from yesterday. He said after reviewing the dash recording he thought that "maybe the patrol man could have handled the situation better but that he was still with in policy. Secure the weapon, Secure the seen is first and most important at that moment."

 

[David904]

Don't let it go, dude. I guarantee that this guy is going to play it off as you making a mountain out of a molehill to the LEO you are complaining about. The fact is, he betrayed a public trust.

Talk to an attorney. The supervisor's actions from the first meeting are indicative of this negative attitude being institutionalized - all the way up to the leadership cadre. We need good cops who can occasionally have bad days. We do not need bad cops. You are unfortunately saddled with the latter.

Just because the supervisor says that the patrolman was still within policy doesn't make it true. A reputable attorney will be better able to ascertain the veracity of that statement. Quite honestly, I believe that the mere fact that he admitted that things could have been done better indicates that the patrolman screwed up and this is potentially actionable. The supervisor is doing damage control. Lawyer up.

 

[N003k]

I gotta agree with David, the cop definatly overreacted and I would think was well out of bounds, its not like you resisted and he was forced to do this for his own safety. Contacting an attorney should definatly be your next move.

 

[tat2edangel]

I will not be a victom and I will not let my family and friends be victoms with out puting up a fight!!!
Now I will fight with a lawyer bad policy creates victoms of a differ kind but still victoms.
Treo said it best when he asked "give them a break to do it to somebody else?" no I will not give THEM a break!

 

[Arthur_500]

Similar thing happened to me last summer. I was accused of speeding and not slowing down for a stop sign. Not even close to being true so I said, "Look I'm not going to argue with you, if that's what you think then write me the ticket and we'll be on our way." He copped an attitude and then asked if I had any firearms.
No one has ever asked me that before. My truck had powder, targets, bullets and cartridges in the back seat and on the floor in the front. I thought about what I had at the Range and what I had purchased at the store and said, "as a matter of fact, I do."
I was taken out of the car and screamed at for not informing the officer. He asked if I had any other weapons and I replied that I had a swiss army knife. Backup was called and he began searching my truck. One of the other officers asked why I did not inform the officer when I was pulled over and I told him I wasn't carrying a firearm so I didn't even think about it. He happened to be an instructor and realized I was correct. I told him I had never been informed it was necessary to tell an officer I was wearing a swiss army knife either. Then he asked if I had given permission to search my vehicle. I replied that I had not. He instructed the officers to step away from the vehicle.
In short this turned out to be quite a circus. Eventually the 'arresting' officer said I wasn't speeding but claimed I did not come to a complete stop and issued a ticket. Boy was he pissed off when I retrieved my gun, put the holster on and reloaded the firearm in front of him - cocked and locked - before driving off. He was correct, I told him, I should not have been transporting the firearm in the back, I should have been wearing it.

 

[Treo]

Nuke 'em till they glow

 

[deanf]

I always stick both hands out the driver's window up to my elbows and clearly show both hands empty as soon as I get the car stopped.

Are you kidding me? That's what gang members do 'cause they believe the myth that cops are predisposed to open fire on gang members.

It makes you look like a gang member and someone who is distrustful of police. Be distrustful of police all you want - that's a good thing - but don't be a drama queen about it.

 

[RoosterCT]

Getting the attorney will be pointless, and a waste of money.

 

[David904]

And why would that be, Rooster?

ETA
One can always get a free preliminary consult with an attorney. If you are planning on suing, an attorney will use this session to determine whether or not this kind of case is winnable. Just make sure you engage the services of a REPUTABLE attorney. Be careful you don't hop into the same boat as an ambulance chaser.

 

[ruger_dude]

"There are a lot of kids out there in Law Enforcement that carry a Glock because that's what the Chief likes, and may never have seen anything else."
The onlly reason my wife carries a glock on duty is because she can't get her Sig Sauer P229 .357 sig authorized, and yes it is embarrasing when you come from a family of cops and your wife ends up as the officer in house.

 

[RoosterCT]

And why would that be, Rooster?

ETA
One can always get a free preliminary consult with an attorney. If you are planning on suing, an attorney will use this session to determine whether or not this kind of case is winnable. Just make sure you engage the services of a REPUTABLE attorney. Be careful you don't hop into the same boat as an ambulance chaser.

Sue for what? Excessive force? That won't pass the laugh test.

Anything beyond a letter to the head of the police department seems like going overboard here.

 

[Ron-Bon]

I feel like not chambering a round all but defeats the purpose of carrying a hand-gun. In my experience, would-be criminals do not step back and allow would-be victims a few seconds to pull the slide back

 

[Macmac]

Just all know after the grilling he gave me my ticket handed me my gun and just asked that I wait till he was gone to return it to its rightful and proper condition cocked and locked.

This bothers me... The officer didn't understand the 1911, yet somehow he managed to pull the magazine, and in one form or another ejected a round, where the safety must have been set to FIRE to pull the slide back.

How was this accomplished?

I am just curious because I carry 1 of 3 guns I own like this every day.

Also once I was stopped in buck skins like Davey Crocket, and the officer went bonkers on a flintlock pistol unloaded (thank god) and in plain site, while I was passing from a event in Pa, thru Mass (the soviet republic) to home in NH.

I was torn from my vehical, as I pulled out from a private restraunt parking lot for no more than the clothing I was in. The officer told me I was a suspious looking character. LOL I might have been, but I would like to know when the last time a guy in full blown skins commited a crime.

I don't think the eattery called the cops on me because they seemed pleased to fill my horses bucket with water twice from a hose outside. Also I ate in my truck cab.

Now the officer had no bee's wax doing what he did, and had less messing with a flintlock. Once he discovered he couldn't open the breech he held the piece to his EYE looking right down the bore like you do with a telescope.

Nothing I could say ment a thing to this officer, and after he did that I was in shock. At that point I demanded to be let go, or be arrested and have the horse placed in some form of care SPCA was mentioned.

But I never expected officers would not understand the 1911 frame..

 

[Deanimator]

Sue for what? Excessive force? That won't pass the laugh test.

Precisely, assault and battery to be precise. There was no reason for him to do what he did. I can see asking the driver to disarm. Manhandling him and forcing him onto the hood of the car was completely unwarranted and gratuitous.

If those things happen routinely where you live, it's probably because people tolerate it the way you do.

I'd make that officer my "project" and I guarantee you he wouldn't like it. Of course there'd be nothing he could do about it.

 

[RoosterCT]

Precisely, assault and battery to be precise. There was no reason for him to do what he did. I can see asking the driver to disarm. Manhandling him and forcing him onto the hood of the car was completely unwarranted and gratuitous.

If those things happen routinely where you live, it's probably because people tolerate it the way you do.

I'd make that officer my "project" and I guarantee you he wouldn't like it. Of course there'd be nothing he could do about it.

I don't tolerate it, yea it wasn't necessary but that doesn't mean it was unreasonable from a legal standpoint. You'd be laughed at, and so will this guy. NOTHING will happen to the cop besides maybe a "verbal warning."

 

[BCC]

I always try to understand the other guys point of view. A cop pulling me over has no clue what kind of threat I do or do not pose. I would never assume an officer wouldn't be concerned about me carrying a cocked and locked gun.

Heck, he doesn't know me. If the officer is concerned, for whatever reason, I would stay off my high horse, comply with his instructions and cut him some slack.