pulled over with my gun condition 1 omg!!!

[tat2edangel]

I have to wonder if roosters advice comes from a true legal view or a pure pessimistic view, of with I tend to have myself to be honest. It was a bad cop on a bad day, maybe it was a good cop on a bad day but that don't make it right!!! I am going to speak to an attorney not to get my golden ticket but to find out what if any action can be taken. A letter in the officers file maybe all that happens, but IF this is a bully cop and this is a habit of his then this is what some would call a paper trail and this can be used in future actions should this be the case.

 

[David904]

Actually, IA could possibly get involved. If he has a past history of complaints of a similar nature, then he'll get popped to the rubber gun squad for a while until they sort things out. Also, if more officers in the department have similar complaints against them that have not been resolved, the leadership is going to have to answer some tough questions.

The goal is to change things for the better, not cash in. I suspect that this cop is a bully and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[tat2edangel]

BCC
,
I think I did very well by this officer. I did not put up no argument, I did as I was told, when I was told. All with yes sir and no sir on my lips. If you read though this thread you will read that I am very much the type to cut a guy a break. I fully believe these guys do a hard job and deserve my told respect. That being sai I have talk with Leo friends as well as listened to all the post here, and this officer did wrong and should be held accountable for his actions. just a I was with the ticket he gave me for running the stop sign. With by the way I have already paid. Responsibility

 

[Treo]

I have to wonder if roosters advice comes from a true legal view or a pure pessimistic view

My vote is Rooster's a cop

 

[BCC]

tatedangel,

I reread your posts as suggested. I can see why you're upset. I probably would be too. It's human nature to take things personally.

My earlier comments still reflect my general approach. FWIW, I think you made your point with the Sheriff's office.

 

[RoosterCT]

My vote is Rooster's a cop

I'm a law student. While that does not make me all-knowing, I just don't see this going anywhere. Could this guy find a lawyer to sue someone or something for what happened to him? Sure, I suppose...but if he does it, he better not pay any money, because it will almost surely be a waste.

 

[Steve Raacke]

As an LEO, I don't care if you have a gun, as long as I don't see it.

Wait, huh, what?!? What the heck kind of thinking is that?
You sound like some of those parents at the soccer field who complained about Melanie open carrying at the games. If they never see someone with a gun on then they get to keep telling themselves that there are not people who feel it is their responsibility as citizens to be armed to protect themselves.
I rarely conceal carry instead perfering to open carry as much as possible. As a non-LEO I don't care that you care. Deal with your own bigotry on your own time.

 

[Steve Raacke]

Quote:
The worst part was I had this HP that just would not get off my case about carrying condition one. "why, why, why" is all he would say.

This is an easy one: Because you're ole' lady is stalking me. . . . again

It HAD to be a fellow Louisiana resident to make me spew coke out my nose. As soon as my nasal passages are clear of carbinated cola I'm going to get to work wipeing it off my screen.
It's replys like that which made me put plastic wrap over my keyboard.

 

[mlr1m]

I do really want to give the guy a break

Please report it, it will save someone from future grief. When you stated that he grabbed your arm and spun you around over your car hood it made me wince. I am in constant fear of something like that happening to me. I have had numerous back surgeries and can guarantee that this would result in great pain and possibly more injuries to myself.

Please do everyone a favor and report this.

Michael

 

[Erik M]

NOTHING will happen to the cop besides maybe a "verbal warning."

That's the type of viewpoint that allows LEO's with poor attitudes and judgment skills to keep their jobs. I would report it to his supervising officer or chief, in writing on the letterhead of my Lawyers office. Sometimes local print media loves this sort of thing too.

 

[lloveless]

I think it is odd this has been resurrected. I think several have inflamed the situation, and if they behave in a traffic stop the way they tell the OP they will get what they deserve. The back seat of a squad car, time in a room at the Dept with their lawyer in attendance.
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[wishin]

^^^I suspect Mlr1m, being new to THR, wasn't so much interested in the date of posting as he was in the subject at hand. Like me.

 

[CoRoMo]

Posted by tat2edangel (the OP) 1 year, 2 months ago
I do really want to give the guy a break

Posted today by mlr1m
Please report it, it will save someone from future grief. When you stated...

Micheal,

The OP hasn't even logged into this site since he created this thread. Advising him to report this incident is futile.

 

[Jonah71]

I always stick both hands out the driver's window up to my elbows and clearly show both hands empty as soon as I get the car stopped. A cop's job is hard enough without having to worry about law abiding me.

Doing that usually leads to a conversation about their tough job and my support for them. Which usually leads to a warning, not a citation.

I use to do that as well when I lived in KC, Mo. (I use to have a bit of a heavy foot problem in my younger days) But in a town of 3000 where all the LEO's know me anyway I don't need to. I think I would still do that, if visiting some of the areas in KC or any other unfamiliar location.

 

[44Dave]

The OP hasn't even logged into this site since he created this thread.

Well, that sounds ominous.

 

[gossamer]

Jonah 71

I use to do that as well when I lived in KC, Mo.

I live there and I still do it any time I'm pulled over. It generally keeps me from being ticketed.

A lot of people have talked about how it's a cop's job to "get information to make a prosecution" or something similar. Speaking as someone with a familiarity with LEO training curricula I won't deny this: however, in my experience the most consistent and crucial thing modern LEO academy students are trained on as it relates to any encounter with any situation is: the officer's personal safety comes first.

For obvious reasons of liability, costs, insurance, staffing, etc. THIS one thing is drilled into the officer's head more consistently than anything else. It comes before "making a case" or aiding prosecution, gathering information, even making an arrest. I know instructors who consistently remind their classes that "if you're not alive you can't testify."

I'm not saying that LEOs are not consistently expected to aid in prosecution, but the idea that they're trained to - at all times - be gathering information to prosecute you doesn't coincide with the reality of the training curricula I'm familiar with.

Certainly, interviewing, gathering information, probing, etc. are trained and trained extensively (I worked for a company that wrote and developed training curricula on these techniques. These curricula are still used today in many academies.) But in the situation described above by the OP, it's pretty clear based on what I know if current academy training, that this officer reverted to the base-behaviors to secure their own safety.

This will always be the dept's defense in these situation. The standard line "the officer's safety and that of others is paramount. This officer did what was necessary to secure their safety. etc etc"

Personally, I can't say whether these actions were appropriate or not. I wasn't there as either an LEO or the OP. It sounds excessive to me, but I'm not living this on the side of the road in traffic. I'm reading in on the internet so it seems pretty harmless.

 

[NMGonzo]

Well today I was pulled over! I did not stop at the stop sign long enough. My bad, my fault.

The real scary part was I had my Kimber ultra carry cocked and locked on my hip. Now I have been carrying concealed for a little over three years and this is the first time I have had to talk to the law while I was armed. It kind of freaked me out.

Now I am legal/licensed but it still was just a bit odd. The worst part was I had this HP that just would not get off my case about carrying condition one. "why, why, why" is all he would say. Now my standard answer to why I carry has always been "because I will not be a victom" but until recently I have carried a snub 357 so the cocked and locked has never been and answer I had to have.

Ah ... you will get used to.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

This thread is well over a year old.