Question about Mil. Weapon

[noresttill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individual_weapons_of_the_U.S._Armed_Forces

Sidearms
In active service (All branches)
M9 (Beretta 92F/FS; Pistol ('Personal Defense Weapon'), 9 x 19 mm Parabellum)
M11 (SIG Sauer P228; Pistol, 9 x 19 mm Parabellum)
In active serivce (some branches, secondary or limited roles)
Mk 23 Mod 0 (Heckler & Koch Mark 23; Pistol, .45 ACP) (special forces)
Mk 24 Mod 0 (SIG/Sauer P226; Pistol, 9 x 19 mm Parabellum) (special forces)
M9A1 (Beretta 92FS w/ accessory rail; Pistol, 9 x 19 mm Parabellum) (Limited purchase by USMC)
M1911A1 (Colt Model 1911A1; Pistol, .45 ACP) (some special forces groups and USMC Force Recon)
High Standard HD (Suppressed Pistol, .22 LR) (Navy SEALs and USMC Force Recon)

I don't really see the point. Am I missing something?

1. Its a HS.
2. Its a .22
3. Its Special Forces Recon!

 

[AmYisraelChai]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individual_weapons_of_the_U.S._Armed_Forces



I don't really see the point. Am I missing something?

1. Its a HS.
2. Its a .22
3. Its Special Forces Recon!

It is an assasination weapon. That is all.

 

[bogie]

It's also Wiki, and possibly was added by a Navy Seel...

 

[brentwal]

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are.

 

[noresttill]

So the 22lr is a sniper round?

Aren't you all saying that its sub-standard for groundhogs?

 

[outofbattery]

Suppressed .22's have been used by US special operators since WWII when the OSS used them.They even used to include one in the survival kit of the U2-as the Russians showed Gary Powers'! I've read that SEALs used silenced High Standards and MkI Rugers to shoot sentries and dogs in Vietnam;a couple quiet .22's to the skull is a pretty good way to stealthily kill someone.

 

[noresttill]

I guess you (I) learn something new everyday.
Thanks,

Jesse

 

[lawson]

one of my former co-workers was USMC Force Recon, and he mentioned a supressed .22 in one of his war stories. he was issued it for a recon mission in an area that was thick with guard dogs.

 

[jtward01]

They used to refer to them as "hush puppies" because of their frequent use to kill guard dogs. The military used to have some special sub-sonic .22LR ammo made up special. It used a full powder charge but with a heavier than normal bullet to both keep the speed down and increase the hitting power. One of those to the head from relatively close range is pretty effective against men and dogs. I think Aguila makes a similar round today.

One thing you don't see discussed much is SpecOps use of crossbows, but they have been used in the past and are still available for special purpose missions today.

 

[Jeff OTMG]

The 'hush puppy' was a can for the S&W 9mm auto. It used wipe technology and would lose effectiveness quickly. It was not the whole gun. I thought that the Hi-Stds were all retired and replaced by Rugers years ago?

 

[Onmilo]

High Standard is a dog killer.
I was under the impression that pistol is obsolete or obsolecent.
I was also under the impression that there are some Walther TPH pistols in .22.LR equipped with GemTech suppressors in inventory that are now used for the same purpose as the old High Standard.

 

[middy]

It is an assasination weapon. That is all.

Assassination? I thought it was for sentry removal...

Unless the sentry is some kind of public figure, I don't think assassination is the correct term. Are you saying the SEALs are assassins? I've never heard that before.

 

[noresttill]

Please refer to my reason number one.

It was late and I thought High Standard was High Point:banghead:

It does make sense as a dog killer, though. Small, Light, Quiet.

Could one of those take out a sentry? A human sentry. If so at what range? (Innocent question, really)

 

[middy]

Could one of those take out a sentry? A human sentry. If so at what range? (Innocent question, really)

Sure. A .22 to the cerebellum (lower brain) is as good as anything. What range? Depends on how well you shoot... I imagine the recommended range is "as close as you can sneak."

 

[runninmike]

It can be used for many different things. It is the 7" model HD(exposed hammer).
Marine recon has them, I serviced some of them at Camp Pendleton. They could use it to stop someone with a head shot to keep that "someone" from alerting the whole world that a small sneaky Marine team is in the area watching. Recon is there to snoop and gather all the info they can without being detected, carrying mostly light weapons, yet can hit hard if they have to as they sneak out of the area they were surveying. It could obviously be used to eliminate dogs, small game food for survival-or people for survival.
Best-MC
USMC/2112

 

[oneshooter]

"Back in the day" our tunnel rats were concidered very lucky if they were able to "obtain" a silenced pistol. Most had to make do with a issue .45.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

 

[MachIVshooter]

Don't know if it's true, but I have been told that the HS supressed .22's were equipped with a breechlock so that they were truly silent in single shot mode. I have heard supressed MKII's and the bolt cycling is still quite audible, so this makes sense.

 

[akodo]

i heard a warstory from someone i view as pretty reliable. Setting vietnam during the war, 'company man' grabs some GIs from the local barracks. Intercepted a guy on bicycle who was believed to be a messanger of some sort. Hid in bushes just a few yards off the path, and fired repeatedly with a supressed .22 pistol. The choice of the supressed 22 pistol was two-fold. Silent. Also, while a .22 pistol sure can kill, it often kills slow, and sure as hell doesn't kill as reliably as a 45. It increased the likelyhood that the target would either live, or at least linger at death's door long enough for a Q and A session

 

[MM]

+1 on hushpuppy, but in SE Asia ,as puppies were food, it might be more accuarately termed a "hush goosey" or "hush ducky" as these were the domesticated animals (other than a buffalo) that would often alarm when sneaking and peaking around a 'ville.
SatCong