Glockfan.45
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Honestly I have noticed that a large amount of people I see at the range or gun shop are asian. They seem to make up the 2nd largest ethnic group in the shooting community.
question to fellow Asian shooters
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Eleven Mike
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So it IS a conspiracy!!
silverlance
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nice pic of you and your son. he looks sleepy?
joab
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Pretty much sums it up for me
Can't argue with that approach, but I'm more of a nip it in the bud type.
And when someone threatens to shoot people for displaying racism (that has not even happened) while using racist terms I consider that intolerable.
You don't even realize it but you are making my case.
Years ago White Trash was an insult issued to whites of low standing by more upper class whites now it has turned into a word that is used to describe whites by non-whites so it's intent and usage is changing-get it?
The side of my wife's family that does not approve of our marriage refers to me only as "white trash" I don't think they even know my name. It is also the name that they have given to whites in general.
My ex-wife is Puerto Rican her brothers refer to whites as "white trash" no matter what their social standing is.
White trash has replaced the word Redneck because too many whites know what the word really means and are not offended by it
It was a male faction of my wifes family that used the word Haoli which, judging from the broken nose and stitches. was obviously meant with negative intent.
I guess the Hawaiian Supreme Court didn't hear about that.
aerod1
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I really don't understand what the persons race has to do with anything. I was at the range with my best friend (who happaens to be an American of Asian heritage) and some other people from my church. So what? It was just a normal range day, as it should be.
I am a white guy and most people in the USA who comit mass murders look more like me. I don't want anyone looking at me strange, just because I am white and happen to like guns.
I really thought most gun enthusiasts were beyond all that nonsense.
I am a white guy and most people in the USA who comit mass murders look more like me. I don't want anyone looking at me strange, just because I am white and happen to like guns.
I really thought most gun enthusiasts were beyond all that nonsense.
River Wraith
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I really think we are. Gun owners are part of a fraternity in a way, it's like we are all brothers bound by that one common interest.
Sorry to add to the "white trash" sideline, but I suspect if someone were to say "black trash", "brown trash", or "yellow trash" to describe a neighborhood, I think strong offense would be taken by some folks who'd otherwise have no problem if it was "white trash" instead.
Eleven Mike
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I agree. History and current social realities make a big difference, don't they?
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Eleven Mike
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Let me see if I get it. Your position is that, because a nonsense word like "******" is defined by common usage, then a term composed of two pre-existing words is also so defined? Two words that are, in this context, nearly univocal? That doesn't follow.
Furthermore, I submit that "white trash" is still much more commonly used in the way that RyanM used it and as he defined it:
You seem to know a lot of people that, according to you, use "white trash," as a racial slur against whites. They seem to be in the minority, so their usage can't redefine the term. So, "white trash" means what RyanM said it means, both by its plain, literal meaning and by common usage.
Further and furthermore, RyanM didn't say he was going to shoot people for being racists, as you seem to think.
When people on this board speak of shooting people, I usually assume they are talking about violent criminals that represent an immediate, physical threat. I did the same when I read that passage. On the other hand, if I let anti-white violence cause me to be suspicious of non-whites, I might read more into that statement than is really there. But that would be racist, wouldn't it?
I think there have been a lot of posting about "nomenclature" and it really is not making the original topic any better.
Getting back on topic: I think it was a rapidly delivered set of information regarding the background and psychological malfunction of this idiot which shifted the race issue completely.
Granted, the media machine completely lacks all kinds of ethics and moral guidelines by pumping and injection images of this nut 24/7. Information age, real-time connectivity to news, and all those excuses aside, moments like this really color a developing story.
NBC really took an all-time "journalistic" low by pumping out its "exclusive" video and pictures. Images are way too powerful, and they are worth more than a thousand words. When the images of an angry, young Asian male with guns pointing at the screen, and a hammer lifted upwards for delivering a blow are shown on a screen every 15 seconds, it just aggravates the emotions of viewers. I felt more anger towards NBC and CNN at that point, than the idiot himself for making the video and performing the cowardly sin. Images like that are valid concerns for the Asian community, because every young Asian male with a shaved haircut, glasses, and a baseball cap will be identified with this image that was pounded into the viewers for over 48 hours.
The only saving grace for the media was the escalating shift in gun control debates, access to medical histories, campus security, and a slew of coverage on the grief for the deceased victims and the survivors.
It is very encouraging to hear the overwhelming feedback that the racial portion of this idiot has not taken the forefront of our defensive-firearm community's psyche and opinions.
However, the images the media keeps showing will make it hard for the narrow-minded portion of our diverse society to forget the racial facet of this tragedy. The bad jokes about Asians with guns will be around for a while; whether openly stated or not.
Getting back on topic: I think it was a rapidly delivered set of information regarding the background and psychological malfunction of this idiot which shifted the race issue completely.
Granted, the media machine completely lacks all kinds of ethics and moral guidelines by pumping and injection images of this nut 24/7. Information age, real-time connectivity to news, and all those excuses aside, moments like this really color a developing story.
NBC really took an all-time "journalistic" low by pumping out its "exclusive" video and pictures. Images are way too powerful, and they are worth more than a thousand words. When the images of an angry, young Asian male with guns pointing at the screen, and a hammer lifted upwards for delivering a blow are shown on a screen every 15 seconds, it just aggravates the emotions of viewers. I felt more anger towards NBC and CNN at that point, than the idiot himself for making the video and performing the cowardly sin. Images like that are valid concerns for the Asian community, because every young Asian male with a shaved haircut, glasses, and a baseball cap will be identified with this image that was pounded into the viewers for over 48 hours.
The only saving grace for the media was the escalating shift in gun control debates, access to medical histories, campus security, and a slew of coverage on the grief for the deceased victims and the survivors.
It is very encouraging to hear the overwhelming feedback that the racial portion of this idiot has not taken the forefront of our defensive-firearm community's psyche and opinions.
However, the images the media keeps showing will make it hard for the narrow-minded portion of our diverse society to forget the racial facet of this tragedy. The bad jokes about Asians with guns will be around for a while; whether openly stated or not.
mordechaianiliewicz
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Wow. There are alot of Asians on THR. Far more than I imagined.
As for my experience, I went to the range to help a friend sight in a new rifle, and in the next shootin' stall over, I saw not only an Asian male (think he was Korean, actually) but also an Asian female. It seems that Asians are one of the more likely immigrant groups to quickly acquire the gun culture. My policy is the more the merrier.
Seems there aren't that many problems arising in my area in terms of Asian shooters being messed with.
As for my experience, I went to the range to help a friend sight in a new rifle, and in the next shootin' stall over, I saw not only an Asian male (think he was Korean, actually) but also an Asian female. It seems that Asians are one of the more likely immigrant groups to quickly acquire the gun culture. My policy is the more the merrier.
Seems there aren't that many problems arising in my area in terms of Asian shooters being messed with.
Eleven Mike
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Well, I know I won't mess with them anymore.
The Soup Nazi
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I'm an asian shooter and I haven't let V-tech become an impediment to me hittinng the range weekly. My "enthusiasm" for guns was known at the beginning of this year at school, but these days everyone, even my teachers, tell me that I look like Cho and that if I'm going to do anything that I should spare them (joking I would assume). Most people I've talked to about it though say that they don't have a single fear of me doing something like that since unlike Cho I'm actually pretty well socially adjusted.
Wal-Mart was a different story however. Yesterday after a range trip, I stopped by Wally World for some ammunition, and since it was a cold day, I was wearing a black polo, BDU pants, and black boots since I didn't want to get mud on my jeans. (Yes, I'm turning my man card in as I speak) So at the ammo counter, I asked for 1650 rounds of .22LR and 300 rounds of .45 ACP, and I basically got two reactions from shoppers walking by and other people at the sports counter. "Walmart sells ammunition?" and "Is this kid crazy/going to shoot up his school too?" Walking out with my dad holding a couple of double layered bags didn't help my case either.
But really, the same people who think me or other asian shooters are crazy are the same anti gun people who would rather see that none of us own firearms. At the range yesterday, it was buisness as usual.
Wal-Mart was a different story however. Yesterday after a range trip, I stopped by Wally World for some ammunition, and since it was a cold day, I was wearing a black polo, BDU pants, and black boots since I didn't want to get mud on my jeans. (Yes, I'm turning my man card in as I speak) So at the ammo counter, I asked for 1650 rounds of .22LR and 300 rounds of .45 ACP, and I basically got two reactions from shoppers walking by and other people at the sports counter. "Walmart sells ammunition?" and "Is this kid crazy/going to shoot up his school too?" Walking out with my dad holding a couple of double layered bags didn't help my case either.
But really, the same people who think me or other asian shooters are crazy are the same anti gun people who would rather see that none of us own firearms. At the range yesterday, it was buisness as usual.
Guy B. Meredith
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Soup Nazi,
Ask your school mates if they'd like to go to the range to learn how to shoot back if they need to.
Actually, I hate to use self defense as a promotion for the shooting sports as it feeds the stereotype of violence. Best they just learn it is one fine way to spend a day in a very Zen activity.
Ask your school mates if they'd like to go to the range to learn how to shoot back if they need to.
Actually, I hate to use self defense as a promotion for the shooting sports as it feeds the stereotype of violence. Best they just learn it is one fine way to spend a day in a very Zen activity.
harrygunner
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On the 'net, you can't see me. You don't know me
except by my words and thoughts I express here.
If I declare myself to be Black then, Asian then, White,
perceptions of me may change as my declarations change.
The whole time I remain myself, exactly who I am.
Very little information comes with the knowledge of
one's ethnicity or race.
Skin color consciousness is on my list of reasons why
humans are just monkeys with better tools.
except by my words and thoughts I express here.
If I declare myself to be Black then, Asian then, White,
perceptions of me may change as my declarations change.
The whole time I remain myself, exactly who I am.
Very little information comes with the knowledge of
one's ethnicity or race.
Skin color consciousness is on my list of reasons why
humans are just monkeys with better tools.
lurkersince03
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How profound.
Crunker1337
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I lay low as much as possible.
I keep a lot of internet anonymity.
As an Indian American I've been called a terrorist, Jihadi, Al-Qaeda, been randomly stopped in airports every time I go into them, and many classmates fear me to some degree.
I know people, other Indian Americans, who've been arrested, busted in their homes at night with no warrant, etc, so I'm used to not trusting any extension of the government unless my trust is earned.
And, to be quite honest, I've noticed that many gun owners are quick to consider all Middle-Eastern/South Asian people terror threats. That's like me calling all gun owners racist jingoist paranoid hicks.
I keep a lot of internet anonymity.
As an Indian American I've been called a terrorist, Jihadi, Al-Qaeda, been randomly stopped in airports every time I go into them, and many classmates fear me to some degree.
I know people, other Indian Americans, who've been arrested, busted in their homes at night with no warrant, etc, so I'm used to not trusting any extension of the government unless my trust is earned.
And, to be quite honest, I've noticed that many gun owners are quick to consider all Middle-Eastern/South Asian people terror threats. That's like me calling all gun owners racist jingoist paranoid hicks.
Beetle Bailey
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Spent the afternoon shooting at the local range with three friends (two are Asian and THR members). Introduced a guy to trap shooting, busted some clays, and shot my Lithgow SMLE in honor of ANZAC Day (4-25). Went to shoot pistols and played "Horse" on the steel targets with my friends. Celebrated Earth Day by not shooting at any paper targets. Spent about five hours total at the range. Happy to report that everything went well and not once did anyone try to kill me the entire time I was there.
justashooter
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when this story broke and the first reports indicated a chinese shooter, my mind traveled back to the incident in australia in 2002 (?) which resulted in the virtual prohibition on handguns in australia. in that case, the shooter was a chinese exchange student. i spoke with many locals about the incident, and they were quite upset that a chinese would do such a thing.
fortunately, for us, the shooter was korean. chinese don't particularly like koreans. they would have preferred that he had been japanese.
fortunately, for us, the shooter was korean. chinese don't particularly like koreans. they would have preferred that he had been japanese.
Beetle Bailey
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Speak for yourself.
Actually, that is a very short-sighted attitude. Chinese American Vincent Chin was killed by two idiots who, being in the auto industry and upset that Japanese imports were competitive, were angry at Japan and Japanese people. They wanted to blame Japanese people for their own miserable lives and mistook Chin for Japanese when they killed him.
Also, thirty-two innocent people were killed, and many more injured by that psycho loser Cho. It's a national tragedy and if the only impact on your personal life is that you are happy he was not a member of your particular ethnic group or otherwise a fellow countryman, that's pretty sad. Yes, I did participate in this thread, but only because I felt obligated to. I think there are far more important issues at hand than whether or not someone's gonna crack inappropriate jokes at my expense. As far as facing physical violence, anyone who would do that because of Cho probably would do it regardless.
Ian Sean
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I am not asian, my wife is 1/2 Korean and my mother in law is Korean...within the day she called my wife very upset, apparently the Korean community she is a part of (her NJ area friends) was really upset about the whole deal.
I don't give a hoot about what color/race etc. a fellow shooter is, as long as they are a shooter, preferably politically active in keeping our RKBA.
My .02
I don't give a hoot about what color/race etc. a fellow shooter is, as long as they are a shooter, preferably politically active in keeping our RKBA.
My .02
justashooter
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It's a national tragedy and if the only impact on your personal life is that you are happy he was not a member of your particular ethnic group or otherwise a fellow countryman, that's pretty sad. Yes, I did participate in this thread, but only because I felt obligated to. I think there are far more important issues at hand than whether or not someone's gonna crack inappropriate jokes at my expense.
beetle, i am speaking for myself, and indicated so in my post. i am a caucasian american, whose german antecedents immigrated to US as early as 1736. i happen to live in PRC just now, and can tell you about the chinese take on this. my fiancee is chinese, some of my friends are, etc. they all realise that if the shooter had been chinese there would be words between washington and beijing. he was korean, so there are no words.
i made no joke in my post. the chinese are glad the shooter was not chinese, do not like koreans, and would have preferred that the shooter had been japanese. that's the way it is, in luoyang, henan, PRC.
beetle, i am speaking for myself, and indicated so in my post. i am a caucasian american, whose german antecedents immigrated to US as early as 1736. i happen to live in PRC just now, and can tell you about the chinese take on this. my fiancee is chinese, some of my friends are, etc. they all realise that if the shooter had been chinese there would be words between washington and beijing. he was korean, so there are no words.
i made no joke in my post. the chinese are glad the shooter was not chinese, do not like koreans, and would have preferred that the shooter had been japanese. that's the way it is, in luoyang, henan, PRC.
Noob cking in.
Just moved to FL. B4 the VT incident, I used to wear a tan 5.11 vest similar to the murderer. Because I'm new here, I decided to retire the vest for awhile.
I did not want to draw unwanted attention to me or scare any libs. Trying to adjust here without any problems. I know it's being paranoid, but better safe then sorry. My friend actually mentioned the "vest" issue right after the incident. (I was in the middle of moving and was not watching the news.)
Side note: When I was in Wally World, Home Depot, and Tarjet, people thought I worked there and asked for help!
Just moved to FL. B4 the VT incident, I used to wear a tan 5.11 vest similar to the murderer. Because I'm new here, I decided to retire the vest for awhile.
I did not want to draw unwanted attention to me or scare any libs. Trying to adjust here without any problems. I know it's being paranoid, but better safe then sorry. My friend actually mentioned the "vest" issue right after the incident. (I was in the middle of moving and was not watching the news.)
Side note: When I was in Wally World, Home Depot, and Tarjet, people thought I worked there and asked for help!
Beetle Bailey
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Sorry. I guess I constructed my post poorly. When I referred to "inappropriate jokes" I wasn't speaking directly about your post, but about the original subject of this thread. Firstly, whether or not Asians in general would be held responsible for Cho's actions and secondly, in what form that backlash would take (idiotic comments, ostracism, and/or violence).
Also, I got confused when you used the pronoun "us" and thought you were Chinese. As far as those fine folks in Luoyang, it's not that I don't believe you. It's that I don't think particularly highly of an attitude that "preferred that the shooter had been Japanese." To say the least, it is a childish and silly sentiment. It is both useless and betrays a petty spitefulness.
I guess I have to state the obvious. Cho did what he did because he was hateful, insane person. Not because he was Korean. I would hope that the leaders of any country would be smart enough to realize that.
Best wishes,
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