Pistoleer vs Martial arts expert..any stories?

[FerFAL]

Not that it is actually germane, but I have been shot twice. First time was a .357 in the back which narrowly missed my spine. I wasn't even in that fight. Stray bullet came down the street and I thought someone had hit me in the back with a baseball bat. My friend noted, "Dude! You're bleeding!" I walked into the emergency room, and here I am today. Second time was also .357, but I was wearing a vest that time. I did finish that fight.

How many times have YOU been shot?

No, I’ve never been shot, thank God.
I wasn’t kidding when I asked, please do tell. Did you shoot back after the vest stopped the 357?, or did you kill you attacker with your bare hands when you reached him?
I’m sorry, but no matter how many “thousands of hours of training and research” you have, the “*when* I reach you, if you don't have anything other than the gun, then I am going to murder you.” part isn’t realistic.

FerFAL

 

[blitzer0101]

Visited Glock Talk and posted the same question?

 

[sacp81170a]

How many times have YOU been shot?

I've been shot, twice. Once in the right thigh, which brought on a very unexpected face plant when that leg quit working for some strange reason. It was kind of an electric buzz and I didn't realize what had happened. I was by no means out of the fight, but I sure wasn't up to sparring around. The second time was in the left shin, and I was thinking "Uh oh, I know this feeling..." as I was going down the second time. I went down pretty much on purpose that time, since that made me a smaller target.

Neither time was I up to chasing someone down and murdering them with my bare hands, but I could definitely still pull a trigger...

Getting back to the subject at hand, CQC is should be short, brutal and decisive. A gun gives you an advantage that, if you know how to use it properly, can't be overcome by empty hand technique, either by blocking or deflecting the projectile. That's why police departments, the military and security forces the world over carry them. That's also what makes them such an effective tool for self defense.

 

[unrealtrip]

I'm sure someone in the 6 pages of this thread already mentioned that within 20ft you can get on top of just about anyone (other than those quick draw cats) before they even have a chance to unholster their guns let alone aim and pull the trigger.

 

[MK11]

You need both. A pistoleer who can't fight his way into position to pull his gun is as clueless and useless as the martial artist who thinks they can defeat weapons with empty hands.