Range Rules & CCW

[TexasRifleman]

I happen to chat with the owner about this she mentioned that it was due to their insurance requirements.

My gut tells me that's just a handy excuse.

Range owner: I'd like to buy some insurance for my shooting range.
Underwriter: OK, but you can't allow anyone with loaded guns into your shooting range.
Range owner: OK, I have an ice cream store next door, what about that?
Underwriter: Sure, loaded guns are no problem in there, of course.


I just don't see any reasoning behind this applying to a concealed carrier's carry weapon.

 

[Don Carter]

What do the requirements of your ccp say. Carrying in accordance with those rules in my opinion is the logical answer. My permit says I can carry in any place I can legally be......except at facilities containing elected government officials meeting in an official capacity...... and a few other specific places like dirt floor bars...... OR WHERE OTHERWISE POSTED.... like our local movie theater and my gun range.

I do have a choice of complying or not, depending on whether I am willing to break the law.

 

[GRIZ22]

Range owner: I'd like to buy some insurance for my shooting range.
Underwriter: OK, but you can't allow anyone with loaded guns into your shooting range.


That's not very realistic. They might say no loaded guns off the firing line.

 

[ornithoid]

Treo, I'm with you.

I NEVER go shooting without keeping a CCW gun on me that does not come out (or get divulged) during my entire trip. To me, it's common sense. Would you want to walk out to the parking lot and be ... divested of your guns because you had nothing with which to protect them?

It's been said, "The rules are the rules; comply or go elsewhere."

Where have I heard that before? Oh yes, that's right, it's what they tell us when gun ownership, or CCW, is banned in a given state or city. I guess we should just do what they say until our right to own or carry them at all is just obliterated everywhere.

Nuh-uh. Not me, thanks.

 

[B yond]

I keep my carry gun concealed and loaded unless it's the one I'm shooting, in which case I always have a loaded mag in reserve for it or a BUG, should I need to prevent someone from doing something stupid. That said, I don't shoot at a public range with rules forbidding my actions; I shoot in designated outdoor shooting areas where there are no rules (aside from the law).

Most ranges I've tried didn't allow the use of holsters, drawing from concealment, or rapid fire, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of practice for me. Besides, how many of us have seen someone new to shooting or just plain dumb doing something dangerous at a public range? I don't trust range-jockeys or chairborne commandos enough to be around them unarmed.

Also I would hold myself responsible for anything evil done with my weapons should they be pilfered, so I don't take them out unless I'm prepared to prevent their theft.

 

[Wolfgang2000]

I always found it easier to get forgiveness than permission. Just don't flaunt it.

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

which range is this that has that problem? it sound like either CRC or ben lomond from the large range area you describe.
Have you asked the board to be more specific on what the rules of CCW is in there club.
I know frontier in the springs allows it and so does buffalo creek at baily.
i would ask a board member or have someone show you where it say NO CCW on the range. as thats a stupid rule if it is. At frontier some aholes tried to tell folks they could not CCw and we had a club vote and it was allowed to happen by about 95% in favor of ccw on the range. and even open carry but you best not take it out as then it breaks the loaded gun on the range rule.

I would find another club and if someone here in CO talked to me like that I would turn their ass in to the board and demand they do something about that person.

If they give you some stupid thing about insurance thats BS as the nra supplys most range insurance and thats why most all clubs make sure you belong to the NRa. Heck even the wittington center allows CCW and open carry and thats run by the NRA.

Which Club is it as I know someone on about half of the boards around the state.

 

[Ready2Defend]

I don't have that dilemma at the indoors range(in town) or outdoors range (out in the boonies). Both plainly post no handeling of loaded guns except when ready to fire. I would never go to a range in the boonies without a BUG or CCW. I do this from my duty to keep my guns from falling into the wrong hands as well as my desire avoid being a victim. A range is too logical a target for a BG to obtain guns from not to keep that contingency covered.

 

[Treo]

I am a member of the Pikes Peak Gun Club. There is a range out west of town called Rampart Range. but it is a hell hole, people take their old refridgerators, T.V.s (I'm sure the ocassional unwanted dog ends up there.) and anything else they want to shoot up out there and blow the hell out of it. the place gives responsible shooters a bad name. & the have their share of self appointed range police. I haven't shot there in years and I wouldn't unless I was heavily armed. As for PPGC its a nice respectable range, I like it and I'm glad I shoot there but I still think it would be a HUGE tactical error to disarm out there.

 

[ilbob]

I used to go to a range that did not allow any holstered weapons, especialy no CCW. (This was in MD however) This rule also applied to any and all law enforcement, I have seen them kick out more than one for refusing to disarm.

The club I belong to is a cold range. No one (including LEOs) is generally allowed to have loaded firearms in the building at all, except when actually in a shooting point, with a couple of exceptions.

One exception is during matches, where under supervision of a range officer, a shooter may load in front of the points. There is also one range that has been designated to allow practice of holster shooting, and it is allowed there.

Drawing from a holster is only permitted by those who have been deemed qualified to do so, or under the direct supervision of one deemed qualified. There is a day long class that goes through some basic holster safety, and involves a fair amount of drawing and shooting. Once a person has been passed the class he is permitted to draw and shoot from a holster while in the points, or on the designated range.

Of course, this is in Illinois and we do not have CC for normal people. It is also an indoor, controlled access building in the middle of a good sized city.

 

[Navy joe]

The chances of me ever being empty on a range is nil. In the few times I've been unable to carry loaded at a range I walk around with an empty Glock in my holster locked open for the world to see. With about 4 full mags on my belt. Not ideal, but it will be loaded quickly. Too many situations of being downrange when someone shows up to take your guns. Best to have a friend guard while you post targets. In my new digs the ranges are National Forest on a dead-end dirt road in the middle of the woods. I think I'll stay hot thank you. Clarify the club rules if you can, be discreet if you cannot. Consequence of being found out is being kicked out for the day or forever. Consequence of no working gun is potentially much worse.

 

[ilbob]

Too many situations of being downrange when someone shows up to take your guns. Best to have a friend guard while you post targets.

This would seem to be more a case for locking or otherwise securing your firearms (such as having a friend wtch them) while they are not under your direct control than a case for being armed while 100 yards away.

I used to shoot at a public range north of Elgin. I never left any guns laying around when I went to change targets. They went back in the case and into the trunk of my car.

 

[ilbob]

<dupe>

 

[Havegunjoe]

I was at an indoor range the other day and I simply asked the range officer how she wanted me to handle the situation. I wanted to shoot the gun I was carrying. I had made sure I didn't have one in the chamber before entering the range. I told her I could unholster at the line facing the target, or remove the mag. before unholstering, or take it back to my truck and unload completely then re-enter. She said to simply unholster at the line was fine and thanks for asking.

As for range commandos you will always find them. I just pretend I can't understand them because of all the noise.

 

[mekender]

i like my local range

http://calibers.net/rules.php

· WHEN ENTERING CALIBERS, ALL FIREARMS TO BE SECURED IN A HOLSTER OR GUN CASE. FIREARMS DO NOT NEED TO BE UNLOADED.

· “LOAD & UNLOAD” YOUR FIREARM ONLY INSIDE THE SHOOTING STALL FACING DOWN RANGE.

no need for silly rules, these work just fine