Reasons we find to not buy some firearms, not to include brand

Nothing that in the back of my head says don't buy it (they will laugh when you call them for parts or warranty.)
Zamac or similar materials (aluminums frames or OK). I've overcome my phobia to polymers handguns frames after years of therapy. However, a slide mix of plastic and steel ala G44 I don't fore see one in my hands.
All the roll marks and safety lines are impossible to avoid, so I live with them as the route's banners.
Colorful firearms, sure are cool for ladies and kids, but they lethal and deserve attention and care.
Bull pup rifles with chambers under my eyes.
 
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I was all hot to buy the Springfield Hellion as my first bullpup rifle. I have a S&W M&P12, which is a great bullpup shotgun but have never owned a bullpup rifle. So I read all of the reviews, watched all of the YT videos
and by all accounts, it's a fine rifle. Springfield doesn't sell a California neutered version though so I had to wait for a local dealer to finally offer some "California-ized" version. I didn't get a chance to shoot it but I did get to handle it.

1. Bullpups generally don't do anything much better or even as well as an AR, other than give you a full length barrel in a shorter OAL
2. The rifle was fairly heavy
3. The trigger kind of sucks and nobody, yet, is offering a third party trigger that's better and even if they do, a bullpup trigger will always still kind of suck compared to an AR trigger because of the extension trigger linkage.
4. The LOP was pretty long. Like stupidly long.
5. Changing out the mags was super awkward.
6. It was EXPENSIVE! $2,099 in California.

Oh, yeah, in California, the minimum OAL for a shotgun is only 26" but for some stupid, illogical California reason, all rifles must be 30" minimum OAL so the Hellion, they have to extend the length, just like the Tavor to make OAL. So why buy a bullpup where short OAL is one of the
biggest differentiators?

It's a cool rifle, proven in combat, it looks cool too. But too many little niggling issues and having to pay that much for them, it was easy to talk myself out of buying one. Maybe if I ever move to America where it would cost $400 less and I could have it at 27" OAL.
 
For me, the most persnickety reason I have for not buying a gun is magazine-gun fit. Some manufacturers have a magazine that is considerably (let’s say in inch or more) longer than the mag well. So they have some kind of sleeve over the mag where it sticks out. And. They. Wiggle.

This is a Golden Age of guns.
 
Milsurps. May have started my dislike early in life. I was maybe 11-12 or so and my uncle had a .30-40 Krag. Big, clunky. Metal butt plate IIRC. Kicked like a mule.

I’m into accuracy and good looking firearms. Milsurps are typically neither. If you love them, knock yourself out. Just not for me.
 
Spats McGee said:
For me, the most persnickety reason I have for not buying a gun is magazine-gun fit. Some manufacturers have a magazine that is considerably (let’s say in inch or more) longer than the mag well. So they have some kind of sleeve over the mag where it sticks out. And. They. Wiggle.

This is a Golden Age of guns.
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That explains my Charles Daly 1911. It came with an 8-round magazine that sticks out, looks awkward, and has a lot of wiggle. The 7-round Ed Brown magazine I bought does not wiggle, nor does the no-name 7-round magazine I got off ebay.
 
It's silly I know, but I will not consider anything in 6.5 CM.
My reasoning is because of the hype and how many vow it is the end all be all of rifle cartridges.
Is is a fine round that is nicely suited for whitetails? Of course it is. But I can't stand all the hype and attention it's getting and I wouldn't take one if it was given to me. Well, maybe long enough to sell it and buy something else.


Also, I'm not a fan of DA only handguns whether they be autos or wheel guns.
 
Odd Job:

At least you can still buy a Lee-Enfield rifle in the UK, or other centerfire rifles, as long as the bolt operates in a manner where the bolt/action Must be charged/cocked (—-ie modified Mini-14—) for Each shot.

I probably didn’t use the correct phraseology for this.
Standing by—-
 
Yep, bolt is all good around these parts.
It's a shame the lever-release guns were banned. I managed to try two of those at our club before that happened. They were expensive though! They were both 9mm AR-15 pattern Southern Gun Company guns, one had Glock mags and the other had IMI Uzi mags.

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I was tempted to buy one because I wanted to do forensic testing with pig bones and 9mm rounds but that project got shelved because I couldn't get the required storage for the gel blocks (and also X-raying those blocks was going to be harder than I thought, on site at the club)
 
No such thing as a gun that is too nice to shoot. My expensive guns get shot frequently. I don't mind spending thousands on a gun. No such thing as a safe queen.

If I buy a gun with a muzzle break it gets cut off before I shoot it. Muzzle breaks suck!

I won't buy a gun with any form of picatinny rail.

I own a Glock and I like it. All of the striker fired polymer guns are the same so I don't need any more.

I won't buy anything if it is in any way associated with the word "tactical".

I am not pretending to be an "operator". My mom actually was an "operator back in the days when you could change the TV channel with pliers. If you are under 30 years old you have no idea what I am talking about.

Laser sights are for kitty cats.

An AR-15 with 10 pounds of aftermarket clutter and 8 batteries is pretty silly.

I will laugh at you if I see you at the shooting range wearing a bullet proof vest and lots of nylon straps.
 
Arkansas Paul said:
It's silly I know, but I will not consider anything in 6.5 CM.
My reasoning is because of the hype and how many vow it is the end all be all of rifle cartridges.
Is is a fine round that is nicely suited for whitetails? Of course it is. But I can't stand all the hype and attention it's getting and I wouldn't take one if it was given to me. Well, maybe long enough to sell it and buy something else.


Also, I'm not a fan of DA only handguns whether they be autos or wheel guns.
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That's why I got a 6.5 PRC! it's a magnumized Creedmoor, well actually it's technically darn near the same as a WSM case but yeah I am not a fan of the creed line as they don't do anything better than 260 Rem or 243 Winchester can do. And even with a muzzle brake on my PRC it still has a bit of a thump to it so it satisfies my Tim Allen like lust for More Power!
 
Spats McGee said:
Man, do I get this. A big part of my 30-odd year distaste for Glocks was really a function of the fanboyism and hype.
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For a long time when they first came out, I was the same with AR’s. Now I have three

Seemed like everyone was a wannabe operator

Went to a display/shoot earlier this summer. Watching hundred pound overweight “operators” with their 5.11 cargo pants, fifty yards of nylon webbing, and low rise tacticool holsters was amusing
 
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I don't want anything made in modern-day Germany because I despise what they've allowed to happen in recent decades to their country politically, and what they've helped facilitate in Western Europe and elsewhere. So, while they may offer some nice guns that might otherwise be appealing, such as Anschutz, Sig, Korth, and the like (I would not put HK in that group because most of their guns don't appeal to me at all), the fact that they represent Germany means a hard pass for me. There are plenty of other preferable options for me. (And all this applies to cars as well.) I also have no interest in Chinese or Russian guns.

On the flip side of "reasons not to buy," there's a "reasons to buy" example for me. I admire what the Czech Republic has done over the past many years trying to maintain freedoms amid so much happening in that area of the world, so that is an added reason to buy CZ (and the older BRNO) guns. (This could also apply to Zastava and other Czech companies, but I don't happen to own any of those.) This national respect is additional to the fact that I REALLY like a LOT of the CZ and BRNO guns, and therefore own more of them than all other makes combined.
 
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270OKIE said:
Ohhh, I see. Interesting, I've only ever seen ventilated ribs so I didn't know.
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I've had a few shotguns without a rib, several with ventilated ribs, plus some with solid ribs. I have no interest in a shotgun without a rib, but I recognize that it is mostly a matter of preference. I just don't like the way the barrel appears kind of banana-shaped to me when looking down the barrel of a rib-less shotgun, and after decades of shooting mostly ribbed barrels, just looks like something is missing. From a functional standpoint, I especially like the way the flat plane of the rib helps me to more easily and quickly confirm that my eye is aligned with the bore of the gun. I also like the aesthetics of the ribbed barrel. My aesthetic preference on the older guns is the solid rib instead of ventilated
 
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Any rifle or handgun I can't afford, Any rifle/handgun OUT OF STOCK, and rifle or handgun my wife said "NO" to, or any rifle or handgun that raised their prices more than 20% in the last 18 months, any rifle or handgun I can't find ammo or reloading supplies for . Any rifle or handgun I can't buy a new magazine for because the old one is lost somewhere in my workshop, any rifle or handgun that hires customer support people that are clueless of the product the company sells. I include these reasons with all the reasons mentioned on this thread...Of course I reserve the right to change my mind at any time I want!
 
Mogas said:
any rifle or handgun I can't find ammo or reloading supplies for .
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Yeppers, me too. I've been wanting a Bond Arms derringer chambered for 45 Colt and .410 shotgun for a while now, but I won't buy one until .410 shotgun ammo becomes available again. I can (and will) build the 45 Colt ammo myself, but I've never loaded shotgun ammo of any flavor, and really don't want to get into it if I can avoid it.
I am getting kind of worried about the situation though. We have a .410 shotgun for pests in the garden sitting by the back door, and I'm becoming concerned about how much longer I can feed it. :thumbdown:
 
Arkansas Paul said:
It's silly I know, but I will not consider anything in 6.5 CM.
My reasoning is because of the hype and how many vow it is the end all be all of rifle cartridges.
Is is a fine round that is nicely suited for whitetails? Of course it is. But I can't stand all the hype and attention it's getting and I wouldn't take one if it was given to me. Well, maybe long enough to sell it and buy something else.
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I feel the same way about "short" and "super-short" magnum rifle cartridges. However, it seems like most of the hype about those things faded away faster than it has about the 6.5 CM. Nevertheless, I consider both "short" and "super-short" magnum rifle cartridges, as well as the 6.5 CM, nothing more than hyped up answers to problems that never existed in the first place. ;)
 
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