red dot for 9mm

[scythefwd]

Got a guy coming over to get some mentorship on Saturday. My Lyman doesn't have and red dot data for FMV 115 great 9mm.

Handlers has some ranging between 4.1 and 4.5 great, but if y'all could search your manuals and post if you have something applicable with the source as well I'd be thankful.

 

[jcwit]

We all know the manual put out by Richard Lee titled Modern Reloading is loads compiled by others, but after saying that it does have loads using Red Dot. Actually a very handy & helpful manual.

For the 115 FMJ start load 4.3 grains, max. 4.5 grains.

I'm using Red Dot in 9mm and 3 weights of plated bullets for plinking. 3.5 grains in all 3, 100 gr., 115 gr., and 124 gr. Operates the action and doesn't beat me or the gun up.

 

[scythefwd]

Thanks.. My mod. Rel 2nd is out on loan....

These are plarted berries, so well start at 4.1 and see...

 

[GaryL]

I'm using Red Dot in 9mm and 3 weights of plated bullets for plinking. 3.5 grains in all 3, 100 gr., 115 gr., and 124 gr. Operates the action and doesn't beat me or the gun up.

Many moons ago I loaded up a few hundred 115gr JHP in 9mm with 3.5gr Red Dot. It doesn't cycle anything I own. Still working on using it up. Goes kind of slow pulling the slide every time. :banghead:

 

[jcwit]

Many moons ago I loaded up a few hundred 115gr JHP in 9mm with 3.5gr Red Dot. It doesn't cycle anything I own. Still working on using it up. Goes kind of slow pulling the slide every time.

Not a problem at all in my little SCCY. Makes a nice little practice/plinking round.

 

[rcmodel]

2002 Alliant data shows 4.5 grains Red Dot MAX with a 115 FMJ.
Seated 1.120".

Reduce 10% for the 4.0 Starting load and work up as always.

3.5 is below the suggested starting load, and will not cycle the slide.

rc

 

[jcwit]

Sorry to disagree with you RC, but it cycles my action/slide just fine, and that's with the factory recoil spring.

So in my case it works. Even with the 100gr. Bullets.

 

[rcmodel]

O.K.
I was wrong.

But don't be surprised if it doesn't.

GaryL in post #4 wouldn't be I betcha!

rc

 

[jcwit]

RC, I have the utmost respect for you & your knowledge & I wish I knew half of what you have forgot. But the fact is, 3.5grs. Of red dot cycles the action of the SCCY pistol just fine, even when using the 100 gr. Berry plated bullets.

I have more than a few hundred rounds thru it using that very load. Now in a different pistol"????????
I've yet to try it.

 

[32_d3gr33s]

Red dot with a 115 winchester fmj and federal small MAGNUM pistol primer (bought lots and lots of them when standard pistol primers couldnt be found) shoots awesome out of my m&p 9c. 1.125 OAL

 

[scythefwd]

RC, thanks a lot. I didnt see any 9mm load data for red dot on their site.. I'll have to go and double check.

 

[rcmodel]

Its not on their site anymore.

You have to time travel to before they got sucked up by ATK or whoever it is.

Try this, page 35.
http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/RM/Alliant/Alliant_2002.pdf

ALL LOADS listed are MAX.
REDUCE 10% for Starting loads.

rc

 

[scythefwd]

Yeah.. I'm familiar with how they write their recipies.. same format as the book I had floating around (no clue what happened to that.. never loaned that one out) that I used for my unique recipe.

Much appreciated.

 

[mstreddy]

scythefwd, do a search here on Promo loads. BDS had a very informative thread on loading it in 9 as well as other calibers. Promo is loaded using Red Dot data. He had posted images of the older manual pages that had the Red Dot data. I have it at home and can post them this evening if you don't have any luck finding them here.

 

[maxxhavoc]

I was looking at this too. I have seen many sources on the 'net with Red Dot 9mm loads, but I thought I would confirm, so I sent an email to ATK. Their response:

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There is no tested load data using Red Dot powder in the 9mm cartridges.
Thanks,

Shoot Straight
DuaneVB
CCI/SPEER/ALLIANT POWDER
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID
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I'm not sure why they pulled the data out of their guide, but I can confirm the Lee guide references. Since RD may be the only powder I can find for awhile, I may have to play with it anyway.

 

[LiveLife]

Disclaimer: Following post lists load data not currently published by powder manufacturer. Use them at your own risk.


maxxhavoc, yes as rcmodel posted, Alliant/ATK pulled the older 2004 load data from their servers and there is no currently published Red Dot load data for 9mm (only for 38/38Spl/45ACP/45Colt etc.) - http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Powder.aspx?powderid=4

2004 Alliant load data did list loads for 9mm lead/jacketed bullets and that pdf is available here - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182147&d=1364769070


scythefwd, as mstreddy mentioned, I did 9mm/40S&W testing of Promo using 2004 Alliant load data for Red Dot on this thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=518185

On that thread, 9mm Missouri lead 125 gr RN and Berry's plated 124 gr RN bullets were tested with 3.8/4.0/4.2 gr of Promo with good results and based on that testing, 4.0 gr of Promo/Red Dot and 124/125 gr lead RN bullet is my current reference 9mm plinking load.

2004 Alliant load data lists 4.5 gr as max charge for 115 gr FMJ at 1.120" OAL and 4.6 gr max charge for 125 gr FMJ at 1.150" OAL and 4.5 gr for 125 gr lead bullet at same OAL. I use Berry's 115/124 gr solid/HB plated RN bullets and use 1.135" OAL to feed reliably in various pistols.

For your Berry's 115 gr plated RN load, I would suggest using 1.135" OAL and 4.0 gr of Red Dot as start charge and testing 4.2/4.4 gr and see how things go. Unlike thicker plated (TP) HB bullets, my experience with Berry's regular plated solid base bullets has been that often accuracy starts to fall at higher than mid range jacketed load data.

 

[scythefwd]

ended up using 4.6 gr of unique under a FP 115gr berries hollow point seated to 1.135 depth and a cci sp primer.

Decided since we were working with waning light that I'd use the press as currently setup for my loads, and my components.

Did show him how to read a vernier caliper, how to adjust things, etc.. the process and the reason behind each step. He got about 2 hours of mentorship..

 

[Catpop]

I use 3.5 RD over a cast OT 115 LRN. It functioned fine in my LC9, BUT it is not reliable in my friends wife's LC9. But mine has been fired 5-600 times, her's less than a box. IT will not even cycle my son's SW SVE. So there you have it------ MAKE SURE IT WORKS IN YOUR GUN! CATPOP

 

[Steve C]

Chrono'd some 4.2gr Red Dot under 115gr Remington Bulk JHP's using assorted cases with Federal 200 primer. Average velocity was 1,158 fps from my Glock 19.

You are not going to have a large range of charges to use with Red Dot as its as fast Bullseye nor will you be able to maximize velocity from the 9mm with it. However a 4.2gr load functions well (in my Glock at least), is accurate, not bumping the maximum pressure and the velocity matches the typical factory standard pressure bulk ammo.

 

[CrackedBrass45]

I like xtreme 115gr with an OAL 1.14 and 4.0 grains of red dot or promo (M&P .40 with lake city 9mm barrel and 9mm magazine)

 

[GaryL]

O.K.
I was wrong.

Not really. We all know the strength/condition of the recoil spring, chamber size, and the bullet/barrel factors work together to determine the minimum that will reliably cycle an auto unloader. Not to mention any slight variances due to brass, equipment, etc. In my case I learned - the hard way - to make a few test loads before settling on any kind of minimal load for volume production. Had I been able to get on a site like this a few years earlier than I did, I could have posed the question and saved myself some trouble and made better use of those components.