Well, it depends on your definition of the word "inspected". Is the distribution of priming compound around the perimeter of the case inspected in the case of every completed round, obviously not. To do so would require that each round be either disassembled or fired which is a fairly silly level of "inspection".
Remington Golden Bullet Value Pack Junk Ammo
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Well, it depends on your definition of the word "inspected". Is the distribution of priming compound around the perimeter of the case inspected in the case of every completed round, obviously not. To do so would require that each round be either disassembled or fired which is a fairly silly level of "inspection".
What is your basis for that assertion? Others have reported failure rates. You just make an assertion.
If I buy a bucket of 1,400 rounds of Remington "Golden Bullets" and experience 3 or 4 failures, does that make it "junk" in your estimation? At what failure rate does it become "junk"? You didn't bother to explain or cite your actual experiences.
CraigC
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I really wish people would leave the "junk" on the shelves where I can find it. 
hemiram
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The last of my "junk" .22LR ammo is a box of "Golden Bullet" stuff that I will only shoot out of my revolver, as the other box of it was frustrating beyond belief when a friend of mine shot it out of his M&P 22 and my Henry lever action. I don't understand how Remington can have fallen so far. I used to shoot a lot of Rem ammo, especially 9mm and .357, but the last time I got a couple of boxes of plain old 9mm FMJ, there were quite a few rounds that wouldn't even chamber and more that wouldn't allow the gun to go into battery as the cases were distorted just enough to keep the slide from closing. No other brand of ammo his caused the problems Rem has over the last couple of years.
armoredman
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Bought a few hundred of the Golden Bullets for my son to shoot through his STG44 clone, no problems. Limited sample, of course, but with tight finances, I get what I can for him. That tour video was awesome and as a caster, I drooled at the huge lead ingots, and was stunned when he said all of that would be used up by the end of the day. That pile would be half left over if I croaked at 90!
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It's available from these guys, but it's not cheap. https://www.ammofast.com/collection...2-22-long-rifle-lrn-40-gn-1255-fps-500-rd-box
Jeb Stuart
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I shoot a lot of 22 pistols and have seen this debate go on for years. I have shot thousands of rounds with Golden bullets with fantastic results. I have had a few bad batches over the years. It is a bulk ammo. In my Bersa which is a very finicky shooter, the CCI and the Goldens were on par. The CCI with just a slight edge but would cost almost twice as much. Some guns like different ammo. It is just the nature of the game.
CCI maybe the "Gold Standard"? Why, because they shoot well are can be found in most big box stores when available There are many brands out there that are even better, but of course you pay for it and have to order on line. Goldens are a HV ammo that will shoot well out of some 22.cals that require high velocity ammo like the Bersa. Or at least mine. If you particular gun does not shoot it well, move on, should not be such a big deal. If top quality is your goal, then experiment with other ammo instead of just the CCI. They may be your NEW Gold Standard.
CCI maybe the "Gold Standard"? Why, because they shoot well are can be found in most big box stores when available There are many brands out there that are even better, but of course you pay for it and have to order on line. Goldens are a HV ammo that will shoot well out of some 22.cals that require high velocity ammo like the Bersa. Or at least mine. If you particular gun does not shoot it well, move on, should not be such a big deal. If top quality is your goal, then experiment with other ammo instead of just the CCI. They may be your NEW Gold Standard.
Elkins45
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I think the 20% failure rates are from batches produced at maximum speed during the depth of the banic. That's the case with the box I experienced. I haven't had that experience with the older Golden Bullet bulk packs. Maybe they spun them for a little less time and/or dropped in a little less priming compound to stretch resources when they were running all the lines at maximum output?
MedWheeler
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Of tens of thousands of rounds of rimfire ammo I've fired, I had my first-ever misfire two days ago. The gun was a newly-acquired Heritage Rough Rider, a 3.5-inch "birdshead" model, out for its first testing. The round was a Remington GB. It fired the second time the hammer was dropped on it. This was the first time I've ever shot Remington GB ammo.
I did only fire about 24 rounds of it that day, though, as I had other guns with me to test.
I did only fire about 24 rounds of it that day, though, as I had other guns with me to test.
doubleh
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Have you considered that it might be the M&P 22 and not the ammo. They were known to be picky about what ammo they would shoot. My son-in-law has one that has sat in the closet for years as he's never found any ammo that isn't frustrating to try to shoot in it. I told him to send it back to them and get it fixed but he hasn't.
I am another that likes Golden Bullets. I will get a dud now and then but not nearly as many as with Federal and Winchester. Aguila and Fiocci fall in between those and GBs so I consider it pretty good stuff in the lower price range. It's also right there with CCI mini-mags in the accuracy department in three of my rifles. Evidently a lot of others like it as well because I haven't seen any for sale in this area for years. Someone has to be buying it.
Not everyone on Rimfire Central dislikes it either.
22-rimfire
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Been pretty much been my experience although I haven't bought any Remington Golden Bullets in a couple years. Remington went through a QA/QC review of their rimfire ammo process and most of the new stuff has been consistently pretty good versus the 5-10 year old stuff that had a failure rate of about 8-10% in the bulk packaged ammo. The problem is generally with the priming.
The goldens shoot pretty well consistently, but are a little dirty. When I shot it for groups, I would get about 1/2" groups at 50 yds with a flyer most every 5 round cluster. But it was still grouping about an inch (edge to edge). That is good enough for plinking, general use, and hunting in most cases. But it is not good enough for any kind of competition.
$39-$40 for a bulk pack is no bargain or maybe I'm just not paying attention to pricing of late because I don't need any. I resisted buying them even when the price was $20-$25 for a 500-ish round bulk pack. Quite simply, I don't like bulk packs unless I'm supplying ammo for a group plinking effort. I guess I have around 10 bulk packs in my rimfire cache. I tend to prefer Federal's.
Sometimes the dud rate is related to the gun you are shooting it in.
IowaWinter
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I just put a 525 round box of Golden Bullets through a Ruger Mark IV the other day and had no issues, I didn't even stop to clean the gun at any point while shooting either.
My hands were gold colored and the gun was filthy by the time it was over, but that's to be expected.
My hands were gold colored and the gun was filthy by the time it was over, but that's to be expected.
dwstone1227
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I too bought a bucket of this Remington 22 ammo. I shot it with my Ruger Mark II. Out of a 10 round magazine, it would not cycle about 7 out of every 10 rounds. I was about to give this stuff away to a relative. Then I discovered if I alternated every other round with different (i.e., better ammo. 40 grain, 1,200 fps), I could shoot a 10 round magazine with 100% reliability. I finally got through all of that Remington "stuff".
Remington ammo is now off my preferred ammunition list.
Remington ammo is now off my preferred ammunition list.
CraigC
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That's interesting because I have semi-autos that only work with Remington bulk. Federal doesn't quite have enough oomph to cycle them.
commygun
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Was surprised to get three squibs in a row from a 50-rd. box of CCI standard velocity the other day.
Jeb Stuart
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As I posted earlier, The Rems work just as well for me as CCI in my Bersa which requires a HV ammo and a lot less money. Went to range today and shot the SR22 and it churned 120 of them out without failure minus one bad primer strike and the Henry ate her fair share up as well. Love the Remington Goldens.
About three weeks ago I shot a box of Winchester in the 325 box. All were duds in the fact that they were so under powered. However a second box shot fine.
I read a article not to long ago about the fact that shipping, or bad handling can move the primer on a 22.cal. I noticed that the Remington in the plastic container like the CCI will all shoot just as well as the CCI.
My favorite standard fps which I shoot a lot of is the Federal in the blue box.
CraigC
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I think the blue box Federal is probably better than the red box. I've always had pretty good results from both. I just have some guns that it doesn't function well in and the Remington hollowpoint works better on game. The only bulk I've had real trouble with was Winchester Xpert, which I just chalked up to the preferences of individual guns.
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I bought 2 boxes of golden bullets a bit over 5 years ago at Walmart. They were 225 round bulk packs at $9.98 a box. On the box it's says they were "Improved " I recently shot 1 of the boxes through my new S&W 617 and they all fired and accuracy was decent but they left the gun really dirty compared to shooting mini mags
Jeb Stuart
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A number of years ago before the shortage, I had a Remington Golden split the case. This bothered me, not only for the fact that it was dangerous, but I loved shooting them. I contacted Remington and talked to the Rep. They had heard about this in some of their latest batches, but told me that Remington was addressing the issue and will be manufacturing a new Golden that was better in all area's in the near future.
Well it was not long after that, they announced the release of the New Golden. The box now had "The new and improved" label on the box. I have never had another problem since.
I experienced a lot of malfunctions & failure to fire issues with Remington rimfire ammo. So aggrevating that I donated all I had left, a couple thousand rounds, to a youth shooting program.
No more Remington rimfire for me, count me as a firm CCI fanboy.
I will say that the Remington stuff gave me experience in malfunction drills.
No more Remington rimfire for me, count me as a firm CCI fanboy.
I will say that the Remington stuff gave me experience in malfunction drills.
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I have lots of misfires with Remington Target. I bought a case of the stuff, it is pre Eley manufacturer, so it has to have been made by Remington. Out of a box of 50, a couple of rounds will not go off in any of my 22lr's. I am talking about rifles with good ignition systems such as M52's, M54 Anschutz, Martini BSA rifles. I have many more misfires in Ruger MkII and S&W M41 auto pistols which do not have as strong mainsprings. Remington target is not that accurate either, you just pay more than the standard version. It won't hold the ten ring on small bore prone targets, there is always a flyer.
Jeb Stuart
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Just curious, what firearm were you using?
Jeb Stuart
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Funny how the Rem goldens keep selling like crazy. Must be a lot of shooters out there that love them. I sure do. I like CCI's but when a 22.cal plinking rounds gets to 9mm bulk prices, I will pass. Just saw a sale on them for $8.99. Lol, they must be on crack.
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