Request for Scout-Type Rifle Pictures

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the advantage of having the optics forward of the action/receiver?
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Among other things:

1. The optics are not in the way of a stripper-clip reload.

2. You can keep both eyes open, which helps picking up and obtaining good rapid hits on close-to-intermediate range targets.

The main disadvantage is that you need to use a fairly low-power scope, and one that has proper eye relief. Also, as a platform, the scout rifle doesn't really shine as a really long range weapon. The barrel tends to be shorter, unbedded, and the glass tends to be lower power. However, it can still reach out there if you work at it. It is designed to be a jack-of-all-trades type thing.

Mike
 
You know, I appreciate everyone who put up their pictures. They have given me several good ideas, and would welcome people to continue to post the pictures. But what is it about a scout rifle post that makes everyone start debating their usefulness? I just said I wanted inspiration and people start debating whether their any good or not. By the way, thanks to the moderator who left the good post about the usefullness of the scout rifle concept. I think that should do for the debate.
Thanks...
 
CDNN has the Steyr Scouts in .223 for $1399 if anyone is interested. More that I have to spend, but I dig on the concept...
 
I like all kinds of rifles and have always wanted to scout type rifle

I was very stoked when Ruger came out with theirs. I have one in SS and it shoots great. It is easy to ring the 200 and 300 yard human sized gongs at the range. It is extreamly quick to the shoulder and a joy to carry. I am going to take it hunting in the Spring for some pigs. should be alot of fun.

I would post pics, but am mostly computer stupid.

Matt
 
FLtoAK05,
Sweet! Me wants - and have wanted for years!

MountainBear,
Methinks it's that people are not used to the notion of something being really good at being suitable for all uses, instead of being not particularly good at everything but really good at a few things. Make sense? The "scout rifle" is about "jack of all trades, master of none" - in a field where people passionately & rabidly seek after master tools.

Those who do get and appreciate the "scout rifle" concept are frequently ridiculed by those who, not getting the idea, say "but X will do a better job at Y than that scout thingie". Those who come back with an attempt to explain the concept, and especially if trying to explain what is or is not a "scout rifle", are often derided as "religious zealots" or some such.

The "scout rifle" is a really neat idea that is easily misunderstood. Aficionados tend to get jumpy & defensive about the idea for good reason.
 
FL-AK, I always start drooling on my keyboard when you post that image of that Wildwest modified guide gun. :rolleyes:

ECVMatt, which caliber is your Ruger Frontier? I've been drooling over one of those for a while, too. I'm going to go lever "scout" first, but something like that Ruger Frontier or Shawn Herman's truck gun based on Savage Stevens 200 will hopefully follow.
 
ctdonath said:
The "scout rifle" is about "jack of all trades, master of none" - in a field where people passionately & rabidly seek after master tools.

Those who do get and appreciate the "scout rifle" concept are frequently ridiculed by those who, not getting the idea, say "but X will do a better job at Y than that scout thingie".
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Well said.

Also, I think I like the idea so much because, well, I'm a jack of [a few] trades, and (definitely) master of none. :rolleyes:

"Scouts" (however one wishes to define that term, with much respect to the late, great Col. Cooper) just seem to work for those assorted tasks that I want to accomplish that no single gun will excel at.

YMMV, as they say.
 
ECVMatt,

Hows the trigger on that Ruger? Is it the typical "crappy" Ruger trigger, or have they wised up yet?

They do look like sweet little rifles. I've always liked the lines of the Rugers, just always hated their triggers. :)
 
Off topic but ...

I don't know where else to post it. When I upload pictures they show up as attached thumbnails, like a small number of other posters. Most uploaded pix are full size and embedded in the message. How do I arrange to do that? Thanks.

Bill
 
Nem and AK...

My Ruger is in .308. I was temped by the .243, but figured a scout type rifle should be in .308. The trigger on my Ruger is actually pretty good. I was very surprised. I am still going to change it over to a Timney though. They are just so much better.

I have not had time to shoot it for groups at the range yet though. I sighted it in out at the desert and was very happy with my groups. I sighted it in to approximate a 200 yard zero. When I finally got the proper range, I ran out of time to shoot for groups and just shot it at steel. I placed the crosshairs on the 200 yard gong and hit it. Then I figured out my holdovers for 300 yards and hit that most times too. I still have a lot of playing to do before I really feel confident with it, but I am very impressed so far.

I really like Shawn's gun too. I think he has a great idea. If you ever pick one up, let me know how it works out. I bet is will be great!
 
The "scout rifle" is about "jack of all trades, master of none"...
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I guess I'll argue against that idea. IMO, there are several areas where the Scout rifle is probably the best tool for the job, and others where it is either "as good" as the average rifle or the job is so unrealistic as to be almost pointless.

Nothing is faster, IMO, for 50 yard "snap" shooting. No rifle is easier to carry over long distances or steep terrain. There are more accurate rifles, but that's got nothing to do with bedding or barrel length. (There's no reason a Scout can't be properly glass bedded, and the benchrest shooters put down 0.2" groups with 18-20" barrels.) Special bull barrel jobs are probably better for very long range shooting (>300 yards) but that is a very specialized arena.

I believe the Scout is eminently suitable for the "carry a lot, shoot a little" role. Bear or mountain lion country, for example.

I believe the Scout is the ideal rifle for mountain hunting.

I believe the Scout is the ideal rifle for woods hunting.

I believe the Scout is "as good" as the average rifle for the majority of big game hunting.

I believe the Scout is "as good" as the AR-15/M-14/M1 for the (faintly silly) "SHTF" rifle.

The Scout is not the ideal "beanfield/long range" rifle, but I personally question the ethics of taking big game beyond 300 yeards or so. YMMV.

I personally think it would be worthwhile to properly bed a light bench magazine action with a short "sport" contour bench barrel. Seems to me a sub 1/2" Scout rifle would give the critics something to chew on.

And as for the "limited" utility of the 2.5X sope, I honestly believe most of the critics must never have tried one. Out to 300 yards I find the 2.5 very little handicap if any. I regularly see folks toting rifles with scopes the size of salamis to the range, believing that 20X is the secret to hitting 200 yard targets. You got to try it before you make up your mind, folks.

The main argument against the Scout, IMO, is that they look like hell. I am attracted to walnut and blue steel, which is why my rifles tend to be old and British. If I were to put emotion and appearance aside, however, the logical solution to almost all my rifle "needs" begins and ends with the Scout.

Semper Fi, Jeff!
 
My main reason for liking my scout is freedom from getting scoped. I got wacked pretty hard by a .300 win mag as a kid and I'm still kinda leary of scoped rifles even now, 6 years later.
 
Thanks to Husker1911, Nematocyst870 and Legionnaire, especially the PMs from the latter two explaining the process to me. I am excerpting their comments so that others can see it as well. Should this be made a Sticky soewhere on the forum?

Nematocyst says:

Bill,

You did the first step correctly. Once you upload the image to the THR server, if you immediately click on the file name represented in the attachments dialogue box, it will take you to a url where your image is stored.

Copy that URL from your browser's URL bar.

Then, go back to your unsubmitted message, click the photo icon on the tool bar (mountain with yellow background), paste the pics URL into the dialog box that opens, and click OK.

Make sure you do that latter proceedure with your cursor at the bottom of your message (or where ever you want the image to be).

If you have a thumbnail now, just click on it to go to the page where it is. Then follow the above directions from "copy that URL from your browser's URL bar".

In general, it's best to keep the images reasonable size. I don't know if there are restrictions, but some post images that are huge, and it really slows a thread down.

Hope this helps.

Nem


And Legionnaire says:


Bill, sounds like you already have the "attachment" part working okay. If you click on the thumbnail image (attachment), it opens a new page with a direct link to the full-sized picture. Copy that link. Then edit your message and include that link in the body of the message using the "Insert Image" option.

I have a thread going in the "Testing" forum where I post my attachments. Then, using the link to those attachments, I insert images in the posts to "real" threads. That way the thumbnail doesn't show up in the real post.

Hope this helps. Sing out if you need further assistance.

Ken

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Thanks all. I'll try it soon.

Bill
 
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Two scout project rifles, one is Mauser in 7x57 with ATI stock, the other is a Carcano in 6.5x52 in a custom stock consisting of an ATI folder grafted onto a wood stock. Both shoot well. The Mauser was sold off to finance another project, the Carcano is awaiting a camo paint job but currently resided in my truck.

Scout rifles rock!:evil:
 

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Well, you know, it ain't for everybody! It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round, and it gets real borin' up heah in the wintah, so with cabin fever nipping at my brain and nothing but a Carcano in the parts pile....:neener:

Besides, it shoots good, takes a six round clip, folds up to put in the truck, and outside of being hideously ugly, makes for a pretty decent little rifle. A better paint job should go a little way towards making it less ugly, and winter's coming right up, so.......:D
 
Military Scout

If the scout is a dying fad then why are our troops using low power optics/scope on their weapons or so it seems from pictures I have seen. This being the case they are training the next generation of shooters to use this type of sighting system.

I bought a CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 with the intention of putting a scout scope on it. I have a compact Leoupold 2-7 presently, which I can shoot with both eyes open. The 7.62 is a great 200-250 yard deer round with the right ammo. It is clip fed and perfect weight/length for the woods.

But if you're into poodle shooting they have .223 also
 
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