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Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by DIY_guy, May 5, 2014.

  1. seed

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    Tagged. Btw, I admit I rushed through this thread, but I was wondering if you did and or plan to do any tests on how these products stand up to heat in repeated firing...i.e. their resistance to flashing off the metal surfaces to which they are applied. Thanks!
     
  2. Derry 1946

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    I'm way late to this party, but, wow! This is the most comprehensive DIY (no pun intended) product comparison I have ever seen. I'm very impressed. My hat is off to you, DIY_guy! Thanks very much for studying man's most persistent and pressing question -- how to keep his stuff from rusting and wearing out!
     
  3. smokey262

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    Re: Board #3

    How is board #3 doing? Have you decorated it for the season with a string of Christmas lights? Is Mrs. DIY_Guy still pleased to have it in the dining room?

    I did buy a can of WD Specialist after this test to use as a general purpose rust inhibitor. A little harder to find this stuff locally, and no issues to report so far. I am using it on guns, and tools kept outside of a climate controlled environment
     
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    Just wanted to bump this for all those "which lube do I use" threads.
     
  5. RainDodger

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    I read your study in detail and based on your findings I bought a can of Hornady "One Shot"... wow... that stuff is truly amazing.

    The first thing I noticed was when I sprayed a shot of it on the ram in one of my big single stage presses. The handle fell to its down position all by itself..... that stuff is slick!

    Thanks for the great information!
     
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  6. samweller

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    You did some fine work there, DIY. We owe you some real thanks.
     
  7. Seabeeken

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    Great work!
    I wonder how they would do for lube and gumming up is very cold temps.
    I've heard that frog lube gums up in cold temps. I've had good results so far with weapon shield in cold weather but the odor is terrible. Reminds me of transformer oil

    Ken
     
  8. Chunky

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    Bit of an addition to the above poster, Froglube released an 'extreme' variant that is tested down to -44f
     
  9. Garrett54

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    Good job. I need to buy some.
     
  10. Azheat113

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    Here's my test.

    After trying every new gee-whiz bang product on the market for the past 35 years, here is what I keep going back to, as it.just.works.

    Break Free CLP (currently experimenting with Ballistol, and its neck and neck) for a pre clean soak.
    Shooters Choice solvent. Break Free Foaming Bore Cleaner if I'm lazy and/or using a Bore Snake.
    Non-chlorinated carb or brake cleaner for gas guns and valves/pistons (AL391).
    Gunslick/Outers Gun Oil in the bore
    Shooters Choice FP-10 for actions.


    Everything else has failed to clean, lubricate or protect on some level over the years. The latest failure is MPro-7 on a carbon and lead fouled .22 bbl. However I am going to apply Ballistol first on the next one, and then clean with MPro to see if there is any improvement.

    My 2 cents. I have yet to ruin a barrel, etch, pit or otherwise render one useless. I have yet to see any type of fouling accumulate using this approach to where I have lost any accuracy. I have been able to restore accuracy in older worn firearms by giving a thorough cleaning using this method. It just works.
     
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  12. Vernon1

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    All you need is mineral oil and some Hoppes. Maybe a cloth with silicone. These people are making a small fortune off all this stuff.
    "A fool and his money are soon parted."
     
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  13. Sav .250

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    Lots of time, research and final analysis involved .......... A project of commitment .

    my choice of "stuff" has served me well. I`m good.
     
  14. swizzleshoot

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    Great article! I stumbled onto from a recommendation on another site and have printed out your results/rankings for future reference and passing on to the sons. Thank you very much.
     
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    +1
     
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    If odor is a problem with a product, a lure scent or a cover scent, you might want to try an odor eliminator. I've used products from this seller chemicalguys.com and they have been very effective at getting all manner of odors out of fabric and upholstery.
     
  17. Down Range

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    1 quart acetone
    1 quart mineral spirits
    1 quart automatic transmission fluid
    1 quart kerosene
    Makes a gallon. Gas can works great for storage. I've been using this recipe for years. Cleans, lubricants and protects.
     
  18. Jeb Stuart

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    Thanks for the interesting test. I have used a number of them over the years and always come back to Ballistol. The bottom line for me, is my guns are in great shape no rust and all run fine. That said, I do not leave them outside other than a day of shooting or hunting without at least wiping them down or cleaning. I guess if they were out for 168hrs or one week at a time with out wiping off, I would choose a different product. I also use Ballistol in a Sonic Cleaner and it does a great job of lubricating without leaving any “resinification.”. Just a nice light lube for all parts like triggers etc. It works.
     
  19. GBExpat

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    A fascinating study, Thanks! :)

    I was happy to see that the products that I use are "good enough" for my firearms-related purposes and also find a couple of "new" items for use on other tools that are not stored in a climate-controlled environment.
     
  20. The_Next_Generation

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    Yeah, and a great way to clean your silencer is by soaking it in a mix of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide. Effective? Yes. Toxic and will probably give you cancer eventually? 100%.

    “Mommy, how did grandpa get so sick?” Lmao

    Also, this thread is from 2014. Probably time to lock and make it a sticky so it can stop getting resurrected..otherwise I’ll have to come back in another 5 years to straighten folks up...
     
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  21. JohnPlayerSpecial

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    It's nice to see this evaluation is still posted. It also looks like this evaluation has been ripped off and copied to more than one astroturf website shilling for at least two of the manufacturers mentioned here. Someone else seems to have built an entire blog site around it. DIY_guy, you can get a cease-and-desist letter from rocketlawyer pretty cheap.

    Since I do all my cleaning in an unventilated basement, I was looking for something a little less toxic. I've been using FrogLube since this evaluation came out. A little does go a long way, since it's only now time to buy a refill. I was in for an interesting surprise when I went to buy more.

    Lo and behold, today FrogLube claims that CLP is not the way to go; we should all be using separate cleaner and lube [1]. It's "MANDATORY." Using both is "not OPTIONAL." Why the sudden change of tune? They back their claim with some clips from Glock and Army manuals [3].

    Hmmm, the the Glock link they provide is broken; the current Glock manual has no such prohibition on CLP [4], nor does the Glock preventative maintenance guide [5]. I can't find the "two care products are required at a minimum" excerpt they cite. (EDIT: I also checked my printed Glock manual from 1994. No such two-products commandment there, either.) The Army manual they cite [6], although outdated, clearly allows for CLP in all but arctic conditions, as does the current one.

    FrogLube is beginning to smell less minty and more fishy. So I went fishing.

    To make a long story short, the formula was never theirs to begin with, and after ousting the inventor and ending their partnership, they never quite replicated the formula [2] and quit using his trademarks. It's quite a soap opera.

    Tracing the company history, it looks like the original formula is now copied by (or back home with) Seal1 [7] along with the CLP Plus trademarks [8]. FrogLube has quit making the original formula, possibly as a result of settling all the lawsuits [2]. Also, you can clean and lubricate roller coaster tracks with the stuff.

    The Seal1 bottles are much bigger than the original FrogLube bottle, so maybe I'll post here again in eight years.

    --JPS

    [1] https://www.froglube.com/what-is-froglube
    [2] https://granitestateguns.wordpress.com/2016/02/16/froglube-and-seal-1/#more-226
    [3] https://dac4068f-eaff-4da8-bcda-175...d/aee514_656fd10e3e294d458a32c905e183b7d3.pdf
    [4] https://us.glock.com/-/media/global...ction_for_use_g17-g48_en_112019-(1).pdf?la=en
    [5] https://us.glock.com/-/media/global...-materials/preventative_maintenance.pdf?la=en
    [6] http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MILITARY/Army M16A2 and M4 manual.pdf
    [7] https://vuurwapenblog.com/general-o...lube-tracklube-and-seal1-laboratory-analysis/
    [8] https://seal1.net/
     
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  22. daniel craig

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    And slowly kills you.
     
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