Is it OK to mix gun care products?

[fariagaurd]

I have put up recent posts about a 5 day salt water fog corrosion test and Eezox was the winner. RIG was not tested but was highly recommended by readers. I also put up a friction metal wear test in which Weapon Shield was the winner but I cannot find corrosion tests on it. I also learned Eezox did just about as well as Weapon Shield in the metal wear test. It seams difficult to find a single product to do it all.

Is it OK to use Eezox or RIG as a rust preventative and Weapon Shield as a lubricant. I've heard (not from an expert) that some lubes don't play well with others and cross contamination may cause a breakdown of the lube like with Frog Lube. Weapon Shiled and Eezox are both synthetic so I don't think there is a problem.

Eezox may be the best all purpose product but I now have a bottle of Weapon Shield which I love. The actions feel and sound like they are on butter coated roller bearings. Any thoughts and thanks as always!

 

[Drail]

This is precisely the reason the military came up with the concept of a single cleaner, lubricant and protectant in one bottle. All you really need is a bottle of Mil-spec CLP. It's not just more marketing drivel - it really does work for all three purposes. I have used only CLP since about 1985 and it has never failed me. Eezox is not really a lubricant (although it's better than nothing.) It is a very good protectant.

 

[MIL-DOT]

This is precisely the reason the military came up with the concept of a single cleaner, lubricant and protectant in one bottle. All you really need is a bottle of Mil-spec CLP. It's not just more marketing drivel - it really does work for all three purposes. I have used only CLP since about 1985 and it has never failed me. Eezox is not really a lubricant (although it's better than nothing.) It is a very good protectant.

I've also used CLP for many years, and I like it fine (along with at least a half-dozen other products), but just because they combined three products into one, doesn't make it the best at those jobs. CLP is hardly the best lubricant around, it's mediocre at best as a solvent/cleaner, and it's no better as a protectant than any other oil, and far worse than quite a few others.
As I'm sure you're aware, CLP was designed to be a jack-of-all-trades (so to speak) for the military, who can't be dragging around numerous gun products in the field, but we're not constrained as they are. We're able to use products that are specifically designed as solvents,lubes and protectants, products that do all 3 jobs much more effectively.

 

[Drail]

I respectfully disagree.

 

[MIL-DOT]

I respectfully disagree.

Then you would be mistaken. Every point I made has long been established and acknowledged. Look it up. There ARE numerous, better lubricants, protectants, and cleaners.
This is fact.
CLP is used by the military for economy, practicality and field expediency, not because it serves all 3 purposes, individually, better than all other products.
This is fact.
Your statement that it has "never failed" you doesn't really mean anything, because you could have used "3-in-1 oil", or "Tri-flo", or "Mobil1", and none of those would have ever "failed" you, either.

 

[Drail]

Lighten up Francis......

 

[fariagaurd]

Feedback.

Thanks for the feedback guys. A life long friend and career Army Veteran swears by the CLP. FYI Weapon Shield and Eezox are considered CLP's as well however I think there are better choices for thorough cleaning.

I agree that the military needs a do all product and from my research the Breakfree CLP is much better than most lubes and in the corrosion tests it did much better than most.

I want my toys to last a lifetime and become family heirlooms. My goal is to find the ultimate lube and rust protectant. Call me silly for purchasing more than one product but the Breakfree CLP failed in the friction or metal bearing test and galled the bearing badly at about 288lbs of pressure. The Weapon Shield went to the end of the scale at 900lbs of pressure and only a slight dimple of wear was visible.

It was hard to swallow but many of my favorites for years failed miserably in the test's I previously posted. I'm keeping an open mind to the technological advances in lubricants and protectants. For example "my fathers lube" which was the standard at the time (Hoppes, Outers and 3in1) failed miserably in these test's with the same results as cooking oil.

 

[Shootshellz]

IMHO a lot of the firearm lubricant 'tests' remind me of late night TV advertisement hokum. If you want to keep your firearms in good shape you should be more concerned with the frequency and quality of cleaning/maintenance rather than the products you use. In other words, the 'ultimate lube and rust protectant' is called 'elbow grease' and is available for free. Nothing wrong with Hoppes or Outers products if they are used religiously in a proper and thorough manner.

 

[fariagaurd]

good point

shootzshells, great point too!

 

[sl33py]

Saw an extensive test of products w/ froglube CLP a clear top contender if not winner.

*Edit* its the sticky of this subforum!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=751408

I liked the testing methodology and felt it was more "real world" than most of the "late night TV adverts" i usually see.

I wouldn't hesitate to use location specific lubes (slide glide or whatever) in conjunction with a CLP. Some things will just have higher wear resistance due to thickness, shear strength, etc.

HTH - GL!

 

[fariagaurd]

NO Frog Lube for me!

I've read through the tests from Diyguy and I agree the lubricity and corrosion tests are extensive and I learned a lot. My reason for researching this topic was to find a slippery lube that reduces friction under 'pressure' lessening metal wear or galling. This is what wears out moving metal parts.

I've attached the 10 minute video link of the Frog Lube test at the bottom of this post.

The tests you mentioned show how slippery the lube makes the metal to metal contact is and how easily the metal parts move when weight is applied to move them in a straight line. Agreed, this tests does show lubricity.

However, it does not show how well the lubes works with real moving mechanical parts under severe pressure, nor when the lube breaks down and galling starts or at what point the pressure is so great enough metal has been worn away causing the moving parts to seize up.

Frog Lube. Famous because the Navy Seals used to use it. Not sure if they still do. A vegetable oil based product which has an increase in viscosity in cold weather causing it to get sticky and can seize up -0 temps. It's not compatible with any petroleum based or synthetic lubricants. Sucky for SHTF scenarios. You never know what you will find if you have to go out and scrounge for stuff! If you use CLP (contains petroleum distillates) it is breaking down the Froglube. Bearing test show Frog Lube seized at 3lbs of pressure on the scale or 108lbs of real pressure creating a large gal in the metal bearing.

Weapon Shield went to the end of the scale at 25lbs of pressure on the scale and it never seized. That's over 900lbs PSI at 1745 RPM with a metal disk being pressed into a metal bearing that does not move! A slight dimple of wear is all that is visible on the bearing. It's also available in a needle oiler. It has what they call a cationic property meaning it not only does not attract grit, dirt and lint it repels it by keeping it on the surface of the lubricant. It does not burn off at 400 degrees.

Weapon Shield is sold as a CLP but I think the Breakfree CLP has better or about the same corrosion protection. I think there are better choices for cleaning than Weapon Shield and others have better corrosion protection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQLAE3MtTOI