Reversing Barry's Executuive Order Banning Surplus Imports

[RunningOnEmpty]

Hello, new here. I thought I was a membe,r but evidently have just lurked for years. I've been active on and off at GlockTalk and SigForum since 2005....not that it matters here.

Anyway. I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the plausibility of reversing the 2013 Executive Order that stopped the surplus imports (at least I think I have it straight, correct me if I'm wrong). Is it on any group or organization's dossier to address? I copied what I think covers it below.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...eet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence

I realize there's no endless supply of Nagant's or Mausers, but the supply seems pretty dried up, and quite expensive.

 

[22-rimfire]

If I were Trump, I'd write an executive order which nullifies all Obama orders since he was in office. Then review what was done and if something was good, replace it with a new order.

 

[GRIZ22]

If I were Trump, I'd write an executive order which nullifies all Obama orders since he was in office. Then review what was done and if something was good, replace it with a new order.

I heard on Fox News Trump is prepared to do away with about 75% of Obamanocchio's EOs within hours of taking office.

 

[denton]

I heard on Fox News Trump is prepared to do away with about 75% of Obamanocchio's EOs within hours of taking office.

May it be so.

 

[GRIZ22]

There are a lot of things Trump needs to do during his first 100 days in office. This has usually been a criteria new Presidents are judged on. I expect many 2A issues will turn around in those first 100 days but not all of them. There are many more serious issues that need to be dealt with before he gets to surplus imports.

 

[adcoch1]

Welcome to the forum! Yeah this first 100 days will be crazy, but i bet Trump's legal team has a plan of what can and can't be done by executive order all mapped out. Remember, this guy is a master negotiator, and overall is VERY good at accomplishing his goals, so a lot is gonna get done. But there are a lot of important things ahead of import procedures, so it might take a while before importation of firearms starts back up. I bet it does though, and I'm trying to get some free money in case it does. Never ended up with the Soviet bloc weapons i wanted when they were cheap, so I'm hoping for a second chance...

 

[GRIZ22]

Welcome to the forum! Yeah this first 100 days will be crazy, but i bet Trump's legal team has a plan of what can and can't be done by executive order all mapped out. Remember, this guy is a master negotiator, and overall is VERY good at accomplishing his goals, so a lot is gonna get done. But there are a lot of important things ahead of import procedures, so it might take a while before importation of firearms starts back up. I bet it does though, and I'm trying to get some free money in case it does. Never ended up with the Soviet bloc weapons i wanted when they were cheap, so I'm hoping for a second chance...

Trump's problem is he has to undo 8 years of the screwing this country has gotten from Obamanocchio's administration.

I am confident he can do it. Keep in mind guns are one way more jobs can be created. Buy American is one reason SIG, Glock, Beretta, FN, and other foreign companies opened plants here.

I'm not sure if it's applicable to firearms but a rule of thumb on most imported goods is the retail price is a 100% markup over what it costs when it's on the dock here. That means half the selling price is going to importers, distributors, and dealers.

 

[Ryanxia]

Would be nice. Mosins, Saigas, M1 Garands/Carbines. I don't think there are any Mausers being stopped from importation though. The russian stuff is based on sanctions for their actions in the Ukraine and the US made stuff needs permission from the government to come back in but Mausers and firearms from other countries shouldn't be affected. Of course you have the "assault weapon" criteria to comply with (922r) but that's another can of worms.

 

[RunningOnEmpty]

There are a lot of things Trump needs to do during his first 100 days in office. This has usually been a criteria new Presidents are judged on. I expect many 2A issues will turn around in those first 100 days but not all of them. There are many more serious issues that need to be dealt with before he gets to surplus imports.

I would agree 100%. Don't believe I implied otherwise, just asked about plausibility.

 

[GRIZ22]

Would be nice. Mosins, Saigas, M1 Garands/Carbines. I don't think there are any Mausers being stopped from importation though. The russian stuff is based on sanctions for their actions in the Ukraine and the US made stuff needs permission from the government to come back in but Mausers and firearms from other countries shouldn't be affected. Of course you have the "assault weapon" criteria to comply with (922r) but that's another can of worms.

IIRC, it depends on where the rifles are coming from not what type of rifles they are. If it's Mausers coming from Russia, no good. If they're coming from Poland, Turkey, or someplace else they're okay. I think if they are Russian and have been in another country for a certain period of time (5 years).

The issue with US made weapons is whether they were loaned or sold to another country. If they were loaned, they need to be returned to DOD. Then they can be sold through CMP. No ban on bringing back those. The US still owns them.

If they were sold (like the Korean M1s) they can be banned from being imported. Obama already did that. Back in the 80s there was a bunch of Garands that came back from Korea. There was a question if some of these were sold or loaned. Korea had acquired them both ways. That was during the Reagan administration and they just let them be imported. A lot of people bad mouth these "Blue Sky" imports but I got a decent Garand, M1 Carbine, and a "Tanker" in 7.62 NATO put together by Arlington Ordnance. The Tanker was put together the right way and functions 100% and is as accurate as any M14.

All of these bs bans are just feel good actions to combat "gun violence". We all know the numbers of gang shootings done with Garands, Mausers, and Enfields.

 

[GRIZ22]

I would agree 100%. Don't believe I implied otherwise, just asked about plausibility.

I don't think you implied otherwise. Trump certainly has a lot of work to do though.

 

[Speedo66]

[QUOTE="GRIZ22, post: 10456111, member: 37850 Buy American is one reason SIG, Glock, Beretta, FN, and other foreign companies opened plants here.
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I think it would have been more to bypass possible importation restrictions, or avoid import tariffs. Those brands had no trouble selling here when they were imported.

 

[deadin]

And after he nullifies all of Obama's EO's I would like to see one more new EO that banned all future EO's.
Then I could get up in the morning and not worry about what new rule I might break today.
It would also make the Presidency seem less like a dictatorship and (hopefully) make Congress do its job.
Yes, it would slow everything down, but that might not be a bad thing. At least things would be more stable....

 

[rondog]

And after he nullifies all of Obama's EO's I would like to see one more new EO that banned all future EO's.
Then I could get up in the morning and not worry about what new rule I might break today.
It would also make the Presidency seem less like a dictatorship and (hopefully) make Congress do its job.
Yes, it would slow everything down, but that might not be a bad thing. At least things would be more stable....

Yeah. I personally think that Executive Orders should be VERY tightly regulated! And Congress/Senate should be able to say nope nope nope and veto them. The President isn't a King who can just decree into law whatever he wants.

 

[BearBrimstone]

It will never happen but it would be nice to see a glut of mil-surps again. Having a cheap mil-surp option for just about every type of gun would make it cheaper and easier for a lot of new people to get into shooting especially if cheap surplus ammo was available too.

 

[natman]

A lot of people bad mouth these "Blue Sky" imports but I got a decent Garand, M1 Carbine, and a "Tanker" in 7.62 NATO put together by Arlington Ordnance.

If you import a gun it has to be marked with the importer's name. Most importers will do this discreetly, with a tiny font lightly stamped into the bottom of the barrel. Blue Sky was one of the importers of the Korean guns and people specifically bad mouth their guns because they saw fit to blaze their name on the side of the barrel in huge ugly letters stamped deep enough to distort the bore. All the Korean return guns sold at good prices, but Blue Sky guns were discounted heavily. Nobody wanted them.

 

[GRIZ22]

[QUOTE="GRIZ22, post: 10456111, member: 37850 Buy American is one reason SIG, Glock, Beretta, FN, and other foreign companies opened plants here.

I think it would have been more to bypass possible importation restrictions, or avoid import tariffs. Those brands had no trouble selling here when they were imported.[/QUOTE]

All those things you mention are "buy American" issues.

 

[GRIZ22]

If you import a gun it has to be marked with the importer's name. Most importers will do this discreetly, with a tiny font lightly stamped into the bottom of the barrel. Blue Sky was one of the importers of the Korean guns and people specifically bad mouth their guns because they saw fit to blaze their name on the side of the barrel in huge ugly letters stamped deep enough to distort the bore. All the Korean return guns sold at good prices, but Blue Sky guns were discounted heavily. Nobody wanted them.

ATF later said new imports had to have the import mark on the receiver.

What you say about Blue Sky is true. I lucked out and the ones I have shoot fine. The Tanker was made from an early receiver. It wasn't marked. The Arlington Ordnance marking is in the same place as GI markings on the barrel.

 

[rfwobbly]

To me, allowing only surplus American-made guns to be repatriated makes much more sense. I'm specifically thinking of the M1 Garrands that were given to friendly nations by the millions after WWII.

A wide-open repeal would allow the Chinese to dump millions of junk SKS copies on the market. This would not be helpful to anyone that's a legitimate gun owner and would give the anties more than enough reason to scream.

Limiting import to the Garrand helps legit gun owners, helps the CMP, supports new American gun manufacture (by not flooding the market with under-priced junk), and gives the anties zero basis for complaint. This since the M1 only holds 8 rounds, isn't colored black, has no pistol grip, and can only hold 8 rounds. They would be forced to change their own rules in order to complain !!
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[.455_Hunter]

ATF later said new imports had to have the import mark on the receiver.

Is that "new production" or just new to the US. I had a 1907 or so Westley Richards Lee Sporter brought out of Switzerland last year and the import house in Maryland just marked the underside of the muzzle.

 

[Acera]

Limiting import to the Garrand helps legit gun owners, helps the CMP

How does it help the CMP? The CMP does not import those guns, nor would they be part of selling those guns, what benefit would they get from it?

A wide-open repeal would allow the Chinese to dump millions of junk SKS copies on the market.
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Don't be a snob, they have not flooded the Canadian market with junk. IIRC Chinese guns are popular there. I think getting SKSs for what they used to sell for is a good thing.



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[Sam1911]

A wide-open repeal would allow the Chinese to dump millions of junk SKS copies on the market. This would not be helpful to anyone that's a legitimate gun owner and would give the anties more than enough reason to scream.

I can't come up with a suitably forceful enough, and yet polite, way of expressing how much I disagree with this.


The SKS is a fine carbine and serves hundreds of thousands of owners perfectly well. Chinese examples have been completely acceptable and better made than some other surplus arms.

The idea that we'd not only accept, but WANT a federal ban on which firearms we and our fellow gun owners are allowed to choose to buy is so anathema to nearly every aspect of my beliefs as an RKBA supporter that I struggle to see where we'd find common ground from which to cooperate.

Literally, you've said "oh, dear government, protect us from having to resist the temptation of choosing, of our own volition, whether to purchase from a flood of inexpensive, durable, firearms. And especially protect the young and the poor who would most benefit from having such an option within their budgets."

Limiting import to the Garrand helps legit gun owners

What in heaven's name is a "legit" gun owner in your opinion? I'd hate to think you just raised a particularly unfriendly finger to all the thousands of us who quite happily have bought SKS carbines, and Chinese ones at that, over the decades. Are we not "legit" in your eyes?

Difficult to swallow.

 

[illinoisburt]

To me, allowing only surplus American-made guns to be repatriated makes much more sense.
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A wide-open repeal would allow the Chinese to dump millions of junk SKS copies on the market.
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This is one of the reasons the China gun bans were signed in the first place -- protecting the US market from cheaper imports - along with other stuff China was doing. I know this is a shocker, but people actually like them and will buy millions given the opportunity to buy new (not old surplus) rifles and handguns at low prices.

Good, bad or otherwise would make lots of common folks happy to see $150 SKS back in stores, not to mention all the knock off M1 and other models. Would put a whole bunch of US manufacturers in serious competition for sales.

BTW the China ban e.o.'s have been in place since mid 1990's. So reversing a recent Obama e.o. won't impact it.

 

[GRIZ22]

Is that "new production" or just new to the US. I had a 1907 or so Westley Richards Lee Sporter brought out of Switzerland last year and the import house in Maryland just marked the underside of the muzzle.

Not sure.

CMP is not affected by any import bans. They get loaners returned to DOD. They can't ask for more, just get them when DOD gives them.

Import bans only affect commercial importations.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

A wide-open repeal would allow the Chinese to dump millions of junk SKS copies on the market. This would not be helpful to anyone that's a legitimate gun owner and would give the anties more than enough reason to scream.

Good. Maybe I'll buy a couple of them then.
I'm darn sure not paying $500 for an SKS. Get them around the $200 mark again and I'll pick up more than one.

And I'm pretty sure I'm a "legit" gun owner.