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A good fence is essential for the dogs, both to keep them running off and to limit your perimeter to something manageable. The fence does not have to be all the way out to your property line.

For weapons a carbine or rifle is the way to go, preferably with a tactical light. I know all the yammering about how the baddies will just shoot you based on where the light is, but in my experience dealing with nogoodnics in the middle of a pitch black night a tactical light is a huge advantage.
 
Wireless Fence

For rural defense, as noted above, Dogs are ideal. I've found this containment system for dogs to be ideal...

http://www.petsafe.net/

Its a wireless fence system for dogs. Your dog wears a collar, like the underground fence system, but instead of a wire buries under the ground, it recieves a signal from a transimitter in your house....or a series of transmitters about your "compound". As long as the collar recieves the signal, the dog is happy,.....as the dog approachs the boundry of the reception area, it gets a audiable warning....outside the area, it gets zapped.

Our 2 dogs learned the system in 1 day:)

The transmitter has a simple dial control that defined the area [ radius ] that the signal covers....up to 100 foot radius I believe. You can set up mutiple transmitters to cover a larger area if needed.

Works GREAT....
 
Nobody has mentioned a camera system and digital recorder.
Now that doesn't keep them out, but it will document not only a break in, it will give you early warning (if a monitor is above your TV or in your kitchen or in the corner of your computer monitor. It will also document your actions to protect your home. I know, it (the recording) could be used against you but you are only going to act within the law, right?
It will also act as your eyes, when you are not there, and as a means to check on your place from any other computer.
As for being there, all the other thing already mentions are great, a dog of any size as an EWS, an easy to use firearm that you have practiced with (and your wife has practiced with), a good fence and gate, adequate lighting, including sensor lights (so they aren't running all the time), locks on your tanks, sheds and other outbuildings, locksed doors on your truck car and house. I know many people living in the country will say, "No one out here locks there doors" that attitude is dangerous because those times are long past. My rancher friends who live miles from anyone else, always lock the place. and the vehicles.
and drill, drill, drill, drill.
 
that much gunfire coming from a house, and people know not to mess with it.

Either that or keep an eye on it and "visit" when you are not home and won't be back for a while. Don't get caught up in a false sense of security from the guns. The gun are valuable to criminals and they might just as easily target your house for that reason.

I think the answers have all been posted. Just keep in mind the harder you make it to get into your place the more curious people are to find out what is inside. So whatever type defense systems you put in, keep it low key.
 
Nobody has mentioned a camera system and digital recorder.

Several people did... But it bears repeating. A driveway alarm should be used as well. Special motion activated camera's should be used. So that you don't just burn up time filming nothing.
 
I live about 2 miles up a dirt road off of the highway about twenty miles out of the nearest town. LEO responce time is the same as yours on a good day. If something happened here no on would even know, no one is close enough to hear gun shots screams breaking windows whatever. But we are fairly secure. After the two mile drive up the dirt road There is only one way to drive onto our property. There is no way in from the back forty as it is a 800 foot bluff down to the river. The front of our property is not marked with any street address or other identification of what is up the drive way other than some very specific no trespass signs that a lawyer drew up. The state no one is permitted on the property without an invitation or a legal warrant anyone entering without either will be dealt with as a hostile intruder. As you turn onto our property there are several hidden internet cameras that take still pictures of the license plate, vehicle and occupants. Some are hidden others can be seen. The images they take are sent to a web server in California. Friends and family have the web address and password so if anything does happen those time stamped pictures can be made available to the authorities. Sensors also turn on lights and let us know someone is coming down the driveway. On either side of our 200 yard long driveway is densely forested with second growth timber and thick under brush. Our house is in a clearing of about two acres some fifty feet back from the bluff for a panoramic view of the Olympic mountains the Skokomish valley and Hoods Canal. When you get through our drive way. The clearing is to the right and front of you. There is a turn around, a parking area than our carport with a shop on the left our house on the right. In front of the shop is covered RV carport. We have automatic lights for when anyone drives onto our property other lights set up to blind anyone in our drive way if need be as well as remotely activated video cameras. Behind the shop is our turkey pen, they are free range turkeys that run loose in the day. At night they go back to their pen to be locked up safe from predators. They are highly territorial and do not let people get out of their car. They are out attack turkeys because they will attack anyone who tries. Amazing how effective they are, so much so that we have a special set up for the utility people to read the meters and for the delivery people to drop stuff off. We have no mail man or garbage pick up. We are thinking of adding goats if we can figure out how to keep them from wiping out all of the vegetation as they too are territorial plus they taste good. Boar goats go from lambs to ready for slaughter in six months. We do have three Akitas two bitches and one male ranging in size from 95 to 130 pounds. I like them because most people see them as non threatening beautiful, people friendly dogs which they are. But they too are highly territorial, and extremely family / children loyal. Originally bred to kill bears than used in combat for hundreds of years as well as guard and attack dogs. Extremely intelligent, powerful quick and agile. The two girls do bark while the male lays in wait hidden to attack anything entering the house. Inside we have guns and other weapon throughout the whole house out of sight but instantly accessible, along with rehearsed plans on what to do in every scenario we can imagine. We don't need no stinkin badges here, trespassing on our property can be fatal.
 
Easy fix:

1) Go to junk yard and get old car.

2) Take car to gun range

3) Shoot several hundred rounds through it, mostly from the front and drivers side

4) Move it to about half way up your drive and put it along the side of the drive.

5) Put caution sign on the back of it reading "This was the last guy that tried to get in."

:D
 
So far, thanks!

You guys have some great suggestions! I'll have to make a list.

Attack turkeys, that's a great one, too... :)
 
Attack turkeys, that's a great one, too...

Guinea hens work even better, if you can stand the screeching. They also lay eggs that you can eat. They're a little smaller than chicken eggs, but they're richer in flavor. I remember getting the living daylights scared out of me as a kid when we walked over to a new neighbor's house. They had a flock of guineas and their screeching was fit to raise the dead when my brother and I walked up on them. We beat a hasty, disorganized retreat (he was 7, I was 8) until we saw our new neighbor waving from his porch while trying to keep from doubling over with laughter. ;) ('Course, guineas aren't as tasty as turkeys. Geese and ducks are also good alarm systems. I understand the Romans used 'em.)
 
Pay attention to Springmoms advice on the lights. I too live in a rural area. My lack of lights is part of my security. At night I am invisible from the highway. I have security lights, but they are switched at the house and remain off until I activate them. If you do not know my home is back here, I'm not advertizing my presence. Another good idea is a driveway alarm that rings in your home to alert you to incoming vehicles.
 
uinea hens work even better, if you can stand the screeching. They also lay eggs that you can eat. They're a little smaller than chicken eggs, but they're richer in flavor. I remember getting the living daylights scared out of me as a kid when we walked over to a new neighbor's house. They had a flock of guineas and their screeching was fit to raise the dead when my brother and I walked up on them. We beat a hasty, disorganized retreat (he was 7, I was 8) until we saw our new neighbor waving from his porch while trying to keep from doubling over with laughter. ('Course, guineas aren't as tasty as turkeys. Geese and ducks are also good alarm systems. I understand the Romans used 'em.)

The Turkeys are not alarms they are 25 pound feathered pit bulls they attack and bite. Freaks people out more than the 130 pound dogs do. It's funny to watch folks get out of their car and these 25 pound birds come running across the yard or diving out of trees at them in full on attack. The people are diving back into their car. Big ol burly biker dudes screaming what the @#$ are those things !?! from inside their car. The utility and delivery guys won't get out of their truck around em. So we have a drive up meter and drop spot under the carport for deliveries They lay eggs to that are huge and tasty. Geese are vicious too almost lost a thumb to one :eek: when I was a teen while trying to snap its neck. Seemed it could not take a joke. He was tasty too and I really enjoyed eating him
 
i would say your best bet is dogs for a warning and to keep people at bay, motion sensor flood lights strategically placed, a security camera wouldnt be a bad idea either. other than that some firepower :D
 
+1 on Guinea Hens. Those suckers are LOUD and will screech at anything. Honestly, they have proven themselves many times more reliable than the average dog. When I hear 'em screech I grab the AR and do a quick perimeter patrol.
 
You've been given some excellent ideas here. Guinea hens DO make a great alarm system (and as a bonus they are absolute murder on ticks).

Another thought is a lockable gun cache secured/hidden somewhere away from the house in case you ever have one of those situations where you come home from wandering your property or whatever to find something already wrong -in- your house.

Just a random thought that popped into my head.
 
Another thought is a lockable gun cache secured/hidden somewhere away from the house in case you ever have one of those situations where you come home from wandering your property or whatever to find something already wrong -in- you house.

I read a story once about a trapper in Montana that built a cabin in a grove of trees. He had two exact copies of the latest repeating rifle of the time, and he hung one muzzle down inside a hollow tree a little ways from the cabin.

Sure enough, one day a small party of Indians confronted him at the cabin and stole his guns and furs, but let him walk off and live.

A couple minutes later there were five dead Indians and he had recovered his property ;)
 
Yeah that sort of thing.
In my particular case I was remembering growing up on the farm when a wandering black bear got between me (in the barn) and the house (where all the guns were). However dad sometimes kept a beat-to-death old .30-30 in the grain storage locker in the barn and thank God it was there along with a box of shells.

In the end I didn't have to shoot, Mr. bear just wandered back off into the woods, but it sure was reassuring to have access to a firearm when cut off from the house!
 
great posts.

I am also in the boonies and also have these little "driveway" sensors I got for $15 at Harbor Freight Tools. Place one on the ground and it throws a beam out. the other unit can be 400 ft in your home, and it "pops off" when ever something hits the beam.

I set the things too low to begin with--rabbits were triggering them. Chest high to knee high is good.

I have firearms.

P.S.

Last "troubles" I had in calling the Sheriff, produced a Deputy 30 min later, who said "Me--walk around in the dark here? Nope. I just spit-shined my shoes. I'll make a report. See ya."

???
 
Before you post signs, consider how the sign would appear in court if you ever had to shoot someone. Would it tend to persuade a prosecutor to go after you? What would a jury think?

"NO TRESPASSING" is fine, but not "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN."
 
In the past two months, my place out in the country has been broken into a half dozen times. We've lost over $20,000 worth of off road vehicles and farm equipment. A couple of carefully placed .45" holes in the intruders' radiator finally convinced them to quit frequenting my property. Score? Bad guys: $20k, Matt: took bad guys' fancy $20k vehicle prisoner, which is now impounded.

This property has been broken into several other times over the past 20 years, but nothing approaching this last time. In the process, and mostly as a result of this recent bout, I've learned a few things about securing rural property:

1> You cannot totally secure any property. Period.

2> Equipment kept at such property should be insured. (I wasn't, and I'm still kicking myself.)

3> Even the largest, nastiest looking Master lock you can by can be easily cut with a large pair of bolt cutters. Heavy 3/8" chain can also be cut, if the bolt cutters are large enough.

4> If you chain your gate(s) the chain and lock are not the weak link. In my case, the thieves cut the 5/16" bolt on one of the gate hanger. From there, they just lifted the gate right off the hinge pin. The best you can do to prevent this, is to cut some bushings out of water pipe to cover the bolts, and when installing them, use loads of red Loctite, or come back and weld the bolts. (For that matter, you could also weld the gate hangers to the gate.)

5> If your gate it too secure, they'll just cut the barbed wire and enter there.

6> IR game cameras work pretty good, if carefully placed, say at the entrance to a dwelling or barn, are generally not detected. (Hehehehehe.)

7> A non-infrared camera with automatic flash, mounted a few feet above convenient reach will distract the intruders, allowing a person to carefully slip around from behind and either disable their vehicle (say, by cutting the tires), and/or flee as they try to destroy or steel the camera.

8> Just because you THINK the building cannot be seen from the entry point or access road doesn't mean someone won't find it. It's just a matter of time. If you can see a power line entering the property, they know SOMETHING is back there, and will investigate on foot.

9> Illuminating the building if it's in plain view will help, but you may also need to take steps to better secure your electric feed entry box, which is often very close to the front gate. If not, they're remove the small lock on the panel and turn off the main power company disconnect switch. Or, they're unscrew the front panel of the box and do the same.

Keep in mind that even if you can prevent entry at the gate or fence line, if they're desperate enough, they'll drag your stuff out to the fence and lift it right over. It's more work, but I'll be darned if I haven't had it happen.

I think the whole thing comes down to making sure your property is plain and simply harder to breach than that of your neighbors. Let's face it, this type of person is looking for an easy score, otherwise they'd have a real means of support like the rest of us.

Your mileage may vary.


-Matt
 
HANKPAC - "I know many people living in the country will say, "No one out here locks there doors" that attitude is dangerous because those times are long past."

Yep, those days passed long, long ago.

Anyone out in the rural areas who does not lock his (or her) doors and windows, should do a search for "Perry Smith" and "Richard Hickcock."

Anyone who lives in the city and does not lock his (or her) doors and windows, should do a search for "Richard Ramirez."

Kinda enlightening.

L.W.
 
An entire magazine out of a Ruger Mini 14 into the cab and bed of a truck (while the truck's occupants were in the barn trying to figure out what they wanted to do next) works wonders. They managed to drive it off. Sheriff found a little blood, but nobody hit any emergency rooms in the area.
 
Geese! They can be mean and territorial, just make sure you get their wings clipped. Dogs are always a plus, we had one that would not leave the porch or quit barking/growling until we came to the door and said it was ok. Well, that depended on who showed up-she knew good friends/relatives were safe. :)
Now depending on how long your driveway is and were it is in relation to your house; set up some rocks or signs with yardage marked on them-facing the entrance, with a sign that "range to house is:" :evil:
Lights set up to a motion detector at the entrance could also work; tie in a buzzer inside/outside the house that also goes off to alert you.
 
Leanwolf said:
HANKPAC - "I know many people living in the country will say, "No one out here locks there doors" that attitude is dangerous because those times are long past."

Yep, those days passed long, long ago.

I don't think they ever existed. People have always been stealing. The government just didn't do such a good job protected the theives then as they do now.
 
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