S&W M&P's new single stack?

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Smith should produce two versions of the Shield like the do with the other M&Ps, one with a safety and one without.
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I am fully expecting them to...but if they don't, I'm just going to have to try the M&P Shield and get used to leaving it in Condition Zero :what: ..... kinda like how I already carry my M&P :cool:
 
Why cant people just accept that instead trying to force their beliefs on everyone else?
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I don't think accepting "Different strokes" is the issue. What they're complaining about here is that the gun comes with a safety - its not an optional feature. If it came in two versions nobody would care if people who wanted one bought one with it, but people who don't want it are having the reverse belief (that a safety is required) for upon them.

I think S&W's approach with the other M&P's worked well - it's available both with and without the safety - buy whichever version you prefer.

Personally for me it's a relative question. If it's a gun that will be carried IWB or in a pocket then I want EITHER a safety or a 6+ lbs trigger pull. I don't need both. If it's a gun that will be used for competition and other range use (ie, used exclusively either without a holster or with a kydex OWB holster) then I prefer to not have the safety - no matter how light the trigger.
 
They're making a CA compliant version also! They didn't forget about us, one of the largest gun markets in the country :)

Since its CA compliant, that means it will be "safer" than other guns out there ;)
 
So they thinned and shortened the gun, improved the trigger, and added a safety, and shaved almost $300 off the price compared to the M&P9c?
 
So they thinned and shortened the gun, improved the trigger, and added a safety, and shaved almost $300 off the price compared to the M&P9c?
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M&P 9c's go for around $500 around here. I have never seen them go for near $700...

Here is a link for one for $476
 
I am fully expecting them to...but if they don't, I'm just going to have to try the M&P Shield and get used to leaving it in Condition Zero ..... oh wait, that sounds like how I already carry my M&P
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Problem there is that it's a switch on the outside of the gun - a switch that unlike a trigger is rarely covered up and protected by the holster. In that lies a danger that the safety can be engaged unknowingly. Having a gun with a safety that you just don't apply could lead to disastrous results if Murphy strikes. Either get one without it, or train yourself to always flick it off - even if you don't normally apply it.
 
problem there is that it's a switch on the outside of the gun - a switch that unlike a trigger is rarely covered up and protected by the holster. In that lies a danger that the safety can be engaged unknowingly. Having a gun with a safety that you just don't apply could lead to disastrous results if murphy strikes. Either get one without it, or train yourself to always flick it off - even if you don't normally apply it.
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b-i-n-g-o!
 
Problem there is that it's a switch on the outside of the gun - a switch that unlike a trigger is rarely covered up and protected by the holster. In that lies a danger that the safety can be engaged unknowingly. Having a gun with a safety that you just don't apply could lead to disastrous results if Murphy strikes. Either get one without it, or train yourself to always flick it off - even if you don't normally apply it.
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Sorry, that was sarcasm (rarely does it come out like I mean it on the computer :banghead:) on my part. I will not carry an M&P shield if it has a manual safety. My problem is that I am used to the feel of my M&P and not having to worry about the safety, and having another gun with near the same feel with a manual safety is counter-intuitive (as is the same thought of many others here, including yourself, mgmorden :)).
 
Dang! i just bought my m&p9c too.. Don't get me wrong, I love it but this is pretty cool too. Sweet pricetag too. Maybe the 9c will have a little brother soon :)
 
This looks suspiciously similar in size to a CS9...

May have to check it out. Wish it was a DAO though. Partial-cock striker systems are my least favorite system.
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but I just looked at the manual for the Shield and some models will have a loaded chamber indicator similar to that of the Ruger SR series (but slightly smaller and less obtrusive)...
 
I don't know about the Shield. I do know that you can remove the thumb safety on the other regular M&P's and have it function just fine. I'd assume they'd offer it without from the factory at some point though.
 
allaroundhunter said:
Sorry, that was sarcasm (rarely does it come out like I mean it on the computer :banghead:) on my part. I will not carry an M&P shield if it has a manual safety. My problem is that I am used to the feel of my M&P and not having to worry about the safety, and having another gun with near the same feel with a manual safety is counter-intuitive (as is the same thought of many others here, including yourself, mgmorden :)).
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I'm coming from the opposite side of the thumb-safety issue, but I'm also not happy about the Shield's safety. My only pistol now is a 1911. I'm looking for another pistol that's smaller but has the same manual of arms. I liked the 1911-style safety on the other M&P pistols. I worry that a flat little switch that you can't rest your thumb on won't work as naturally. I'm going back to looking at smaller 1911s.
 
StrikeFire83 said:
Danez71, I'll answer what was specifically directed at me.



Apparently you're not too good at the readin'...because I said that DAO and striker-fired guns don't need safeties...1911s and BHPs are single action guns that were designed to be operated with a safety. Nothing wrong with that. I know a lot of people who shoot and like those pistols. Wonderful. I have a CZ-75b that I can carry cocked and locked. I get it. But Glocks, XDs, and yes...M&Ps don't need safeties. They weren't designed with safeties, and to the extent that they have safeties (the M&P and a few mostly discontinued XD models)...it is because political pressures and certain state requirements made it financially wise to include them. Obviously there is a market, great. Smith should produce two versions of the Shield like the do with the other M&Ps, one with a safety and one without.



Um, what? Is that a double or triple negative? No make-o the senso, bro.



Ha ha ha ha ha...Pot, let me introduce you to kettle.
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No need to get snarky.

Im fine with reading... and comprehension. ;)

I said
Again... back to the BHP and 1911.

Both of those had a short trigger pull of ~ the same trigger pull when bought new. Millions of BHP and 1911 owners think its a good idea and some great gun designers think its a good idea t
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~ same trigger pull length and weight = basically the same thing.

The 1911 didnt have the thumb safety in its original design. Its been hashed out numerous times. IE The M&P was deisgned the a thumb safety as much as the 1911 was. The 1911 with thumb safety has been widely accepted for what... oh, about a 100 yrs.

I think you were about the only one that didnt understand the controling all of your fingers comment I made.



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I don't think accepting "Different strokes" is the issue. What they're complaining about here is that the gun comes with a safety - its not an optional feature. If it came in two versions nobody would care if people who wanted one bought one with it, but people who don't want it are having the reverse belief (that a safety is required) for upon them.
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I get what youre saying but dissagree.

When a new pistol comes out with-out the option of a thumb safety you dont see people that want it being snarky to the people to dont.
 
Last S&W 469 I looked at in very good condition with two TWELVE round magazines had tag of $279. The size looked pretty similar and fit my medium hand quite well is this new S&W for tiny hand crowd? Oh, Glock 26 magazine holds 10 rounds.
 
Looks interesting. If the price is right, and the trigger is good, I may have to pick one up eventually. I'm gonna wait a bit and let some other people beta test it for me, though. That, and I sure don't want to end up with "SD round 2".
 
dcarch said:
Looks interesting. If the price is right, and the trigger is good, I may have to pick one up eventually. I'm gonna wait a bit and let some other people beta test it for me, though. That, and I sure don't want to end up with "SD round 2".
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I think this is sound advice, and not just from a beta-testing perspective.

With an MSRP of ~$450, actual retail will probably fall in the ~$400 range to start but will likely drop to the $325-$350 range once initial demand subsides...or even lower, if its MSRP/retail pricing ratio is consistant with the rest of the M&P lineup.

When the CM9 and CW9 hit stores they were running ~$425, but they've already dropped down below $375 at several locations, with the CW9 routinely popping up for less than $350. I predict the same will happen with the Shield.
 
Wonder if I can justify one after just getting an MP9c :)

H9XbG
 
Looking at the dimensions posted by S&W, it's really not that much smaller overall. It's .25" thinner than the 9c, but all the rest of the dimensions seem to be within ~.5" or so.
 
If the thumb safety is that low-profile and has a really positive on/off detent, then I'd just carry it safety off and not worry about it, like I would a Beretta.
 
Just bought one at lunchtime. Safety has a very positive feel, trigger feels great. Pics and range report to come...
 
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