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I only choose the finest most modern hunting cartridges - 45-70 for the big stuff, 30-30 for the rest.
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lol..oh yeah...Have a friend that likes to hunt high rough country elk with a 30-30. Stalks like he is using a bow. He is quite good at it.
 
I have no problem with the 6.5 Creedmoor it’s a fine cartridge. I do think it’s a bit light for elk size game and up generally speaking but with the right bullet and shooter, it’ll get the job done.

I will say my ribbing on it comes from hearing that it is the answer to all things rifle for the past 6-8 years.
 
BreechFace said:
Proves my point, our societies thick skin towards some friendly banter turns into an “escort” out of the range.

Too funny…
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My thoughts exactly when I saw that reply!

I don't have any particular dislike of the 6.5 CM, just no use for one.

I have a lot of firearms, I stock ammunition in over 60 chamberings. Buy when it comes to hunting rifles, only a handful, and not interested in adding another caliber when the 6.5 does nothing my .25-06 and 7mm-08 won't do better. And I actually don't have a .30-06 hunting rifle, just an M1 Garand, M1903 and 1903A4. The next step up in game getters is an 8mm Rem Mag. Then I have a .350 rem mag with night vision for hog huntin' and a .375 RUM for dangerous game.

I really don't even need the 7mm-08 from a ballistic standpoint, either, the .25-06 will do everything it does......except be as quiet harvesting on my back acreage, as the 7-08 is integrally suppressed.

Got a bunch of 6.5 stuff, too, but they're part of my milsurp collection, 6.5x50, 6.5x52 and 6.5x55.

6.5 CM would probably be in the running for the kids' hunting rifles if I weren't already loading 7mm-08, but it makes zero sense to bring it on board when we already load for a similarly gentle round that has a slight edge for big game hunting.

Having said all that, the 6.5CM fanboyism is absolutely a real thing, and there is a serious disconnect where those tender souls can't understand why their crass push to get others on board is not well received, yet at the same time even suggesting to them that their pet cartridge underperforms in some way causes major indignation.
 
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357smallbore said:
Buddy said the 06 is on its way out.
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There are folks that think the latest and greatest is all there is and if your in the market to sell things, you keep making stuff for them to buy.

That doesn’t make the tools people use effectively, any less effective though…the 30-06 has been killing things since before he was born and will continue to do so after he is dead.
 
Still have my 30-06 and I don't even hunt any longer, but, I'm keeping it.
I really think a lot of this "hate" for the newer 6.5's anything, is it sort shoved down our throat real fast like and a LOT of hunters/shooters got a bit tired of it. I'm sure it works fine for certain applications, just don't force the issue.
 
Armored farmer said:
I share your philosophy on the classic Calibers.
My son is a AR fan and owns rifles is several "new" Calibers. I was giving him a hard time about his AR in 6.5 Creedmoor.
About two days later he made a 550yd shot with his "6.5 Manbun"View attachment 1120053
So I stopped heckling him.
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Nice shot, but a yote ain't an elk.
123 -140 gr ain't 180 -200 gr
60#, thin skinned, small bone yote vs 750#, heavy bone is not the game.

I love my .260 and would shoot an elk with it, not at 550 yards. If I was intentionally going after elk, my .30-06 would be in my hands.

Everybody has their favorite cartridge and firearm. For the most part, anything from .243 and larger will get the job done, with a proper bullet and bullet placement. All calibers are very well covered and the only reason for a new cartridge is to sell firearms.
"Everybody has a .30-06 and a .30-30", rifle sales would be way down from the record sales of the past few years.
 
Seedy Character said:
Nice shot, but a yote ain't an elk.
123 -140 gr ain't 180 -200 gr
60#, thin skinned, small bone yote vs 750#, heavy bone is not the game.

I love my .260 and would shoot an elk with it, not at 550 yards. If I was intentionally going after elk, my .30-06 would be in my hands.
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100%.

I use my .25-06 more than anything, a go-to for pronghorn, mulies and cow elk. And would confidently take a bull elk at moderate range if I could be confident of excellent shot placement (like neck shots) with this cartridge that is in the same game class as 6.5 CM, being great for medium game and still OK for big game, at reasonable range. But if I'm specifically after a bull, I take the 8 mag, because the 200 gr. Accubond leaving the muzzle at over 3,000 FPS has a much greater margin of error on a big critter with heavy bones than the 115, 117 or 120 gr. .257 pills with a little more than half the momentum and not nearly as tough construction.

Shot placement is always key, but when the animal has rib bones as solid as your humerous, you have to consider the deflection and lighter construction of smaller caliber rounds, especially if extended range shots are possible/probable.
 
30-06 was it through two great wars, and that alone will keep it around forever. I don't really shoot out to hundreds and hundreds of yards, so - no idea if newer is better. It would be surprising that after 100 years there wasn't something better, but - from my understanding is the various utiltities you can get out of 30-06, and not sure that 6.5 is really a Moose worthy cartrdige. I'm not saying it is not, just using that as a reference for where I'm not sure newer plays on the same field or as big of a field as 30-06 can play.
 
I love my .30/06 Savage. Its not necessarily traditional in that I have it in an MDT chassis and use it for target shooting more than I hunt with it. If I want traditional I'll use my Dad's Winchester 70 in .30/06, which is indeed an awesome gun and capable of taking anything I am likely to hunt with.

I do have a couple of Savage's in .300 PRC that will definitely reach out there were I so inclined. But I'll never get rid of the .30/06s. In fact, I'll be happy to take yours off your hand if you feel so inclined. :thumbup:
 
357smallbore said:
Me and a buddy were in a somewhat heated discussion about my ole Savage 110 30-06.
Last week we finished our Elk hunt outside of Flagstaff. This year we were skunked. Saw a few possible bulls, just not what I was looking for.
3 years prior I took a beautiful 6x6 same area at 225 yrd with one hit to the spine. Used 200 grn partitions handloaded. Buddy today told me it was time to ditch my outdated 06 and get a new and better caliber rifle.
Them are fighting words to me. Been toting and shooting the ole Savage for 30 years. It's never left me wanting for more in all my hunts. I've bagged coyotes, bobcat, javalina, whitetail, mule deer, antelope, elk, one smallish black bear and a few other critters. Never needed more than one shot, and all were dropped within 250 yrds.
Buddy said the 06 is on its way out. Told me it's hay day came and went years ago. Said to get a 6.5 creed, 300 win or a 7mm-08. I told him I think I need a new hunting buddy :D
No way am I taking his flawed advice. My 06 is good as it ever was. Most important, it's reliable and it just plain works.
I'm old school.I hunt with my old Winchester 94 in 30-30 most deer seasons. My main varmint gun is an old Winchester 70 in 257 Roberts, My big game is my 06.
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Well there's only one of the three he mentioned which can outperform your 30-06.
 
hawg said:
30-06 has been working for me for over 50 years. Wusses always want softer kicking calibers. To me the 30-06 doesn't have much recoil and I use pretty hot loads and I don't use recoil pads.
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If I'm shooting at meat, I never feel recoil.
I have two .30-06, rifles, a Ruger 77MkII RDZ, and a Husqvarna 456 featherweight. Even that one fails to hurt when that freezer-filler gets in the sights.
 
I barely feel it when I'm just shooting. My custom Mauser weighs right at 7 lbs. My target rifle weighs twice that and feels like a popgun.
 
BigBlue 94 said:
Walk out there with a 50 BMG next time... Its 15 years newer! And still kickin bad guy butt after 101 years.

Im only against 6.5 CM because everyone has a hard on for it. Its stupid but thats how i am. Just gimme an old fullsize ford bronco and a 243.

Funny, ive been called a boomer online before... I was born in 88!
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I've been called a boomer, too. I was born in '41.
 
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