SHTF - 2 Long Guns and an Alice Pack on foot???

[sanchezero]

I'm screwed . Too antisocial by far...

The only advice I can throw in the pot is to get a real backpack. The ALICE system is total steaming poo. I'm somewhat qualified to give my opinion as I am ex-infantry.

The only thing I can imagine happened with that thing is that someone undercut the lowest bidder at the last minute .

There are tons of 'civilian' packs that would be excellent choices. If you have to go tactical, there's some good stuff there too (most all of us replaced our issued packs ) in the aftermarket. I'd still recommend the civilian gear all around for general purpose survivally situations. Due to the nature of bureaucracy there's very little quality mil-manufactured gear.

 

[six 4 sure]

Well here's my advice FWIW. If you've made your mind up to take two long guns I'd suggest some type of quality bolt gun and a good scope, a "sniper" weapon and a .22 of some type for taking game. You should be able to carry a larger amount of ammo while keeping the weight down. This will be important if you're bugging out on foot. If you are "heading for the hills" on foot I'd also suggest making or buying a guille suite. You will go into "super paranoid" mode and staying unseen will be a good thing.

I'd also suggest purchasing a quality radio, and learning morse code. Both could come in handy.

 

[labgrade]

Well, six 4 sure, I'd bet that if you bet your life on anything firearms-related, you're sure to be a dirt-nap in a a hurry.

My best bet is to not be there at all - hunker down & live it out.

Really, my fave example, but things can happen. Do as you see fit. Personally, I choose to leave it all behind.

Worst case is an active action-thing is = The Plane can land & take us off to another pre-positioned thing-y. Frankly, I just don't want to be there, & won't be if I can help it.

Fighting is nothing I want to to do.

Bug out = bye-bye = later = see ya. I'm flying away.

Trying a "bug-out" to an already perfectly mapped Nat'l Forest campground is one of The Most Stupid Ideas I have ever heard. Nothing less than a pre-positioned candy-gram for those who'd want to eat you, just because they were there first.

& they will be.

You have nothing to offer to anyone who is already there.

If you are not already pre-positioned someplace, you will not be welcomed when the SHTF. = too late, not enough, too sad, & no way.

& so sorry. Nobody wants to "check you out" after the hammer falls.

Really, most of this has already been done.

Extras need not apply.

Only thing "extras" provide is a candy-store for what wasn't there earlier = your wife, your daughters ...... stuff in your car is merely "extra stuff" .... & will be "eaten" enough that you were never there.

Pretty bleak, I know, but whadaya expect?

It's the end of the world, no?

I'd suggest something better.

 

[six 4 sure]

I was just giving a few suggestions if he still insisted on bugging out on foot and still wanted to carry two guns.

Personally, I'd have to bug out. A rental trailer isn't exactally the structure I want to try and defend. Also, I'm a Yankee that just moved to the South. Most of them only joke about it, but in this type of suituation being different won't be a good thing.

I think I'll have the foresight to pack my truck to get to more familliar surroundings before it hits the fan. Just haven't decidedd where I'd want to go. Home to where I grew up and have family and friends, or back to where I lived in Nevada. Whatever happens I plan on wearing my Malon Labe hat in hopes the right person might see it an not shoot me. In this type of suituation you never know what might save your life.

six

 

[labgrade]

" Just haven't decidedd where I'd want to go."

Being brutal, I'd think you will be absolutelt screwed. If you don't kow where you will either stay, or go, I'd bet 100:1 that you are screwed. If you haven't already figure it out before the ahmmer falls, you're a refugee & likely toast.

Anywhere "public" you may end up will probably be aleady "taken" & simply a cast-iron bitch to do anything with. Carving out anything you'd want your family to live in would simply be unacceptable - I'd just betcha.

Pre-position & have a plan well beforehand.

& really, all paranoia aside, what's it hurt? Best case, you play-act some. Wporst-case & you .... ah, get to consider things more at leisure.

A Trip from The South to Nevada might be quote the undertaking. Other than that private flight, I bet I couldn't get to where I live in NE Colordao to somewhere south - having to somehow by-pass Denver's nut-cases.

& I think you pegged the dial = get out beforehand. But who'd ever know when TSHTF for real & forever?

Stuff's dicey, huh?


(no slams, six 4 sure, please belive, just those unending questions I can't help yakkin' about ..... )

 

[J-Man]

Just one man's opinions...

Man, there are some excellent ideas here! However, I think many of them are slighly off topic to the original question. Blain, you already have your weapons of choice and being that all good firearms are expensive you aren't likely to swap them for anything else anytime soon. With that said I would pick the shotgun over the M14 if you whittled it down to one. Only because the shotgun is more versatile being you can use shot or slugs. Still limited on range with the slugs but any confrontations you might get into while on foot will most likely be within "positive identification" distances (few people will fire on somone from a long distance without provocation- too loud, wastes ammo, and most people just aren't that evil). Ammo may be heavy, but the gun isn't, and 12 guage shells are about as universally available as any ammo could be (possible "resource conservation"). Granted, superior firepower and superior skill with that firepower will win most armed confrontations but since you are on foot (alone?) you will be limited in your defensive abilities anyway.
Now for the subject of bugging-out or bugging-in there are a few things people tend to forget. One is that the modern home is hardly a castle. Hard to fortify against breaking in and if the bullets start to fly there is little in the way of residential construction that will stop them (not brick, not stone facades, maybe log cabin). That and you have to contend with fire- which WILL be a big problem. But with all these disadvantages there is a lot going for staying put in an emergency- if you can. That is what bugging-out is all about. Moving only if you have to. Then by the easiest way possible, which will be by vehicle for most of us. Then if that fails, you are on foot. Each step down gets more hazardous because your cover is reduced and your supplies are reduced.
A few other points to remember in a SHTF scenerio:
-Desperate people do desperate things. There will be "lawlessness" on a scale that we can barely imagine.
-There are over 200 million guns in this country and most of them will get used. If at all possible stay low until everybodys ammo runs out.
-Trying to join up with an unfamiliar group AFTER things go sour will most likely not work. It will be a terrible time to live in and people will be suspicious of EVERYBODY. They don't know you so they don't know your skills.

And above all, make sure you still live for today as well as tommorrow!

 

[Med 10]

In a true post apocalypse type scenario firearms would be important but not above basic food water and medical care. Asthmatics, people with diabetic problems, and heart conditions probably wont last long in the "new world"

So my advice would be to have plenty of youre prescription meds handy and have a meeting place set up with like minded individuals insted of wandering around aimlessley.

My personal medical kit contains a jumpbag with first aid supplies and B.P.cuff and stethoscope. As well as a pulse oximeter and BVM. Plus all the little stuff like Ace bandage and guaze wrap and bandages of all sizes. I also have an I.V. bag with a few liters of N.S.,R.L., and D-5W

I have a drug kit with D-50 for hypoglycemic emergencys,
Albuterol with nebulizers for Asthma, I have Phenergan for nausea, and nitro and baby aspirin for chestpain. I also have Epinephrine in a multidose vial as well as an Epi-pen for anaphylaxis and insect sting emergencys.

The hardest thing for me to trans port would be my 4 D-size O2 tanks. I have some more stuff like splints and C-collars and such but to list it all would take up too much space.

Hopefully these items would be enough to get the victim to definitive hospital care.

My group consists of myself, another medic, a mechanic, an electrician and a former U.S. Army combat engineer so I hope we would all be O.K

I just hope we never have to use all of our training one day

 

[ballistic gelatin]

Tell me again why we're buggin' out. It seems to me that the environment you know the best is the one you live in everyday.

If invaded, I could see moving your family away from the enemy. BUT I would hope to see many able bodied men running toward the enemy. Of course, you'd have to go through a background check/lie detector test/visual acuity exam/reading comprehension test/physical fitness test and oath of allegiance before you were allowed to help defend the nation.

So much for a rifle behind every blade of grass...