SHTF Rifle Situations

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Scenario 1: The dead rise from the grave to feast on the flesh of the living. In this situation, I would need my automatic rifle to destroy the zombies' brains. Particularly after they have sensed your presence and begin showing up in numbers, you need the volume of fire and speed of delivery that only a high capacity automatic rifle can deliver. Although they aren't quite the same thing, plague zombies can be effectively handled in a similar fashion.

Scenario 2: Spikey-haired Mutants riding motorcycles and dune buggies invade my neighborhood with the intention of sodomizing everybody to death, then cannibalizing them. Once again, speed and volume of fire are important. Just as important, though, is the capability to effectively engage and defeat thin-skinned vehicles. Shotguns, pistol-caliber carbines, and handguns are going to come up short against an armada of dune buggies with harpoon launchers on their backs. The spikey-haired mutants themselves are known to wear various types of field-expedient armor eg. black-painted fottball pads, so the additional penetration of a rifle is a real plus.

Scenario 3: They (you do know who "they" are, don't you?) successfully initiate their plan to alter the cellular architecture of our brains by contaminating the potable water supplies with nanobots. The nanobots receive their instructions and power from cell phones. That's why they're called cell phones. Everybody who drinks potable water and talks on a cell phone becomes a tool of the Conspiracy. Don't be a tool. In this situation, a rifle is far less useful than adequate supplies of cider vinegar and a knowledge of the sinister signifigance of pancakes. Nonetheless, I can forsee a need for the rifle if They recognize me as a nexus of The Resistance. One of those .50 BMG rifles might be just the ticket for destruction of key cell towers if a particular region still had a rescuable population with unaltered brain cell architecture.
 
Warner- BG...give me a name. I can dream up SHTF fantasies all day long too. I want to know who this faceless enemy is. My whole motivation for this thread is because I'm tired of the pronoun game. Gang members? The "gangs" in my area are pathetic and there isn't really a "hood" to get lost in at 3AM. I simply want to know exactly who people are envisioning the BGs to be.

Golgo-13- Don't forget your list on the other SHTF thread. Especially the piano wire garrotte! ;)
 
As conditions change, so do people. In scarcity there is panic. Under civil order, the politicians take from productive people who thrive on self-reliance and give to those that are "needy." On the world stage, governments take from thos that have and give to the have nots. If the SHTF, then there will be large groups of fellow citizens that do not have sustenance. When their survival instinct kicks in, they will not hesitate to do harm to you to obtain water, food, fuel, shelter. Think of those people in your area that live in bliss and do not plan. They do not have earthquake kits, or hurricane kits, or did not plan for Y2K, they do not have cash, they do not have stores. They may be ordinary, civil persons until an emergency strikes, their stomach growels, they get thirsty, or cold, or panic and need gas to get out. Yes, this is bordering on being paranoid. But, these are the people most of us will face. To complicate matters, gang bangers are easy. You know their ill intent. These people will appeal to your good heart for some help. They may get inside your defenses. This is the danger.
 
Who would be the bad guys?
My generic answer would be any individual or group of inviduals that presents a threat to my family and myself.
My definetion of threat:
Immediate Physical Harm
Theft of items needed to survive
A whole lot of BG's could meet this criteria, in no specific order:
Looters
Freeloaders (the ones who failed to plan and try to take my families supplies)
Terrorists
Common Thugs
Occupation Force (ie blue helmet/chi-coms) <-this one is streching it
Law Enforcement <- I hope not
Our Millitary (This one i doubt, and would hope not even more
 
Daniel Flory - here they are; Tom Jennings, Bob Mabrey and his brother Tim, Roberto Suarez, John "Yanker" Jones, Bobby Marquis and Thomas Allen Williams III (but he's just a wannabe).

HTH
 
Warner- Now we're getting somewhere! Unfortunately, I have no idea who any of those people are. Why should I be concerned with them? Are they cultists? Supremacists? Aum Shinrikyo style weirdos?
 
That's the point, you won't really know until the dust settles. Knowing such information is a luxury few will enjoy. That's where proper preparation comes in (back-up, mindset, equipment).

And here all I was worried about was if you were going to ask me why they call him "Yanker"!
 
As I stated, I live in San Francisco- my main concern for a true SHTF situation revolves primarily around earthquakes and the resultant chaos. The local office of emergency management (a ludicrous concept itself ‘managing an emergency’) has told the public, that in the event of a major quake, prepare to be without city services for at least three days. Three days without police response. Now factor in the various ‘opportunists’ that would take advantage of the lack of police during those three days. We’re not LA or Cincinnati, but the last time we had a major citywide blackout, back in 1998, I think, there were cases of looting and robbery. And that was just a blackout.

I’d like to think that the situation would be more like it was in the aftermath of the Loma Prieta

fortunately NO rioting, just a lot of helping each other out

But I'm not going to count on it. Surrounded on three sides by water, with two major bridges most likely being put out of commision, not to mention the various highway overpasses.

Things would probably go bad pretty quickly. I hope not, but like I said, I'm not counting on it.
 
Skunk, that's a good point about NYC and 9/11.

I think the thing that kept everyone sane was that they could drive a relatively short distance and get everything they need. More food, fresh water, power, shower, etc. Also, Government services were still largely available, and Police and Fire did respond, although responses prolly got stretched quite a bit.

I believe a regional disaster has to be big enough that you can't reach "civilization" and resupply in your car. A multi-state thing. 400mi radius of disruption, or something like that. Loma Prieta was not nearly that big. In that situation--regional disruption--I believe things go bad for a short time, but order is eventually restored cuz the rest of the nation will rally to the aid of the distressed area.

If 1/3 of the nation or more is disrupted, then things could get bad longer. Takes awhile for the "organism" (nation) to heal from a wound that big.

OTOH, the LA riots and Cincinnati riots had nothing to do with physical disruption. Just a whole lotta people who decided to ignore the normal rules.

So my SHTF preparations incude a choice of rifles that enable me to deter a mob--lots of firepower. An AK or an AR would deter a mob, I believe. Don't think a boltgun would.
 
Criminals

In my case I live in a rural County with 13 state and federal prisons containing almost 20,000 criminals. Some of the prisons are maximum and supermaximum housing some of the worst people in the country.

I have been told, from reliable sources, that during the Y2K debacle, the plan was to release the majority of the prisoners if power failed. They would keep the worst but release the rest because they couldn't feed them or keep them contained becuase of the power failure. :fire:

Many of these folks are Muslims. Now I don't want to be accused of being racist, but they are already in jail, some for terrorest (sp) activities. I don't think it is a great stretch to think that some or most of these folks might want to get out and cause trouble, and might have help since one of these guys is the Sheik who planned the first WTC bombing.

On the bright side, I am not the only guy in town with a M1A.:D

Just one group that might need attention.

Be Safe!
 
While 9 – 11 / NYC was an attack on every one of us as Americans, I don’t believe it’s a valid example of what we're discussing here. SHTF usually describes first, a complete turnover......and then a severe shaking of what we all currently know as everyday life.

NYC was a VERY localized event, and was "SHTF" for only those affected. If anyone of those poor folks could have managed to get a ½ mile away from ground zero in time, they would have been in friendly hands…… and in no need of any personal equipment whatsoever, especially firearms.

I don’t know why Skunk and some others believe such a singular localized attack like NYC might serve to trigger folks in the rest of our country to put on their SHTF helmets. That example doesn’t work as well for me as one that offers some poor conditions (and very few supplies) prevailing over a long period of time.
 
And a valid third category might very well be the desperate people. Anyone exposed to extended hunger, sickness and even cold can be affected negatively. And then they might become anti-social enough to be a concern.
 
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