Full Metal Jacket
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lol interesting point, my friend
Sigs are better than Glocks !
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lol interesting point, my friend
I thought the Sig and Beretta both passed the tests and came in with close bids...and the deciding factor was the fact that Beretta was going to run a factory in the USA where Sig couldn't, in a timely manner? Did I read that somewhere or just dream it?
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actually glocks are less sensitive to crappy ammo, as they have generous chamber dimensions. where are you getting your info?
NinjaFeint
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It's a blatant troll thread so he has no info...but I can't judge, I got sucked in too.
actually glocks are less sensitive to crappy ammo, as they have generous chamber dimensions. where are you getting your info?
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actually its not a bashing thread, so its been interesting reading for me. Its been civil and friendly banter. I think its good. I dont see anything offensive or bad about it.
Full Metal Jacket
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i don't think it's a blatant troll thread. it's a valid topic. if some folks get bent out of shape over it, then that would be their problem.
it's all just opinions, if someone knocks a gun that i like, i'm not gonna cry in my beer about it.
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I dont cry in my beer. its poor manners. bad manners.
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+1...
NinjaFeint
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The words chosen by the OP are meant to get people going.
REAPER4206969
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It worked.
JohnBT
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"actually glocks are less sensitive to crappy ammo, as they have generous chamber dimensions."
Sure, but the more accurate guns tend to have tighter chambers, not oversized loose ones.
John
Sure, but the more accurate guns tend to have tighter chambers, not oversized loose ones.
John
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JphnBT said:
here my 15 yard target with my totally stock glock 19:
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I love when people argue that a Sig is more accurate than a Glock or a Beretta.
99% of guns from manufactures of quality like these are inherently capable of greater accuracy than most shooters are capable of. 99% of the time it is not the mechanical accuracy of the pistol which is the weak link. It is the shooter.
Put them on a purely mechanical rest and take the shooter out of the equation and most guns will shoot lights out and the difference will be negligible. IMHO
99% of guns from manufactures of quality like these are inherently capable of greater accuracy than most shooters are capable of. 99% of the time it is not the mechanical accuracy of the pistol which is the weak link. It is the shooter.
Put them on a purely mechanical rest and take the shooter out of the equation and most guns will shoot lights out and the difference will be negligible. IMHO
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I don't think so. Maybe among the typical average priced guns, but when you start talking about the best of the best, I just don't buy it. Do you really believe a Glock in a rest will match a P210 shot for shot?
Note how the pic demonstrating Glock accuracy was shot at 15 yards. Move back to 50 yards with the big boys and bullseye shooters. Sig talks about less than 2" at 50 yards with the X-5 L1 and Les Baer offers a 1.5" at 50 yards promise if you want to pay for the extra work. There are other makes as well and it usually costs a lot extra to wring out that last bit of accuracy, but saying most people can't take advantage of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I've seen people refuse to pick up the stretched Glock brass at the range. It's because of the oversized chambers that they don't want to bother reloading it.
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Note how the pic demonstrating Glock accuracy was shot at 15 yards. Move back to 50 yards with the big boys
and bullseye shooters. Sig talks about less than 2" at 50 yards with the X-5 L1 and Les Baer offers a 1.5" at 50 yards promise if you want to pay for the extra work. There are other makes as well and it usually costs a lot extra to wring out that last bit of accuracy, but saying most people can't take advantage of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.I've seen people refuse to pick up the stretched Glock brass at the range. It's because of the oversized chambers that they don't want to bother reloading it.
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Stock SIG P229 and stock Glock 17, all shot from a concealed holster at around 10-15 yards, and some while moving, which was which?
Glocks are more ammo "picky" and tend like their ammo hotter and with a jacket. If you load your own and have a Glock in the rotation, you pretty much need to load for the Glock, and the others will be OK. Doesnt always work the other way around.
From the standpoint of "target" accuracy, the SIG's generally do a little better, mostly because they offer a better sight picture and slightly nicer trigger. Shooting a little more realistically, I doubt you'll notice much of a difference.
Glocks are more ammo "picky" and tend like their ammo hotter and with a jacket. If you load your own and have a Glock in the rotation, you pretty much need to load for the Glock, and the others will be OK. Doesnt always work the other way around.
From the standpoint of "target" accuracy, the SIG's generally do a little better, mostly because they offer a better sight picture and slightly nicer trigger. Shooting a little more realistically, I doubt you'll notice much of a difference.
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Poor comparison IMHO. They are clearly not in the same class of gun. You are comparing a $500 gun to a $3000 gun.
If you want a fair comparison compare the Glock 17 to the Sig P226.
Also even taking your example you might tighten that group up from a mechanical rest from 3.5" to 1.5" for how much coin. $2500+?
Again you are proving my point for me. Yes there are bullseye shooters who can shoot 1.5" groups at 50 but they represent less than 1% of the shooting public.
In real world shooting environments arguments over my Glock is more accurate than your Sig are meaningless. They simply to not materialize for 99% of shooters in this world.
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it's not so much the missile launcher as much as it is the missile
The " TROLL " speaks !
I actually shoot better groups my Sig P220 ST .45 cal. than i do with my Sig Pro 2022 .40 cal.. My P220 shoots a little high and to the left.While my Sig Pro is scattered within the three rings of black. Reassembleing my Sig Pro is a Mother F***er !
Spreaking of Pistol Co.'s that win contracts,no one has mentioned that France has a contract with Sig Sauer to make and sell them 270,000 Sig Pros. !
I just hope that all those Frenchmen have the time,and the aptitude,to reassemble a Sig Pro after all that wine,cheese,& love making that they do all the time ! LOL !!
I actually shoot better groups my Sig P220 ST .45 cal. than i do with my Sig Pro 2022 .40 cal.. My P220 shoots a little high and to the left.While my Sig Pro is scattered within the three rings of black. Reassembleing my Sig Pro is a Mother F***er !
Spreaking of Pistol Co.'s that win contracts,no one has mentioned that France has a contract with Sig Sauer to make and sell them 270,000 Sig Pros. !
I just hope that all those Frenchmen have the time,and the aptitude,to reassemble a Sig Pro after all that wine,cheese,& love making that they do all the time ! LOL !!
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who are the people that pose for target photos??? man.......that would freak me out.
I think that they are both ugly, yet they shoot alright, and are both quite reliable. we aren't all going to go dump our handguns in mud. so whats the point of this argument if we are basically talking hypothetical?
you get a handgun based off of your personal preference, how thick or thin your wallet is, and how it suits to your needs. so this argument is pointless.
(I prefer a CZ by the way.)
you get a handgun based off of your personal preference, how thick or thin your wallet is, and how it suits to your needs. so this argument is pointless.
(I prefer a CZ by the way.)
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=348859
It's not their choice of handguns that makes them elite, it's their training. The British SAS used Browning High-Powers for years. Other elite units from around the world use different handguns.
They would still be as elite if they used Beretta, Glock, H&K, Sig or Smith & Wesson, etc...
LOL !! Blues Brother !
By that same reasoning.....why are all the Italian actors always type casted to play the " heavies " in all crime/gangster action movies ?
The $5000 Armani Suites,the slick-backed hair,the black luxuary cars with tinted windows ! LOl !!
P.S. they are also found of Glocks,Sigs,H & K's,and of course tricked-out 1911's !!
By that same reasoning.....why are all the Italian actors always type casted to play the " heavies " in all crime/gangster action movies ?
The $5000 Armani Suites,the slick-backed hair,the black luxuary cars with tinted windows ! LOl !!
P.S. they are also found of Glocks,Sigs,H & K's,and of course tricked-out 1911's !!
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"Hmm," Glocks are ammo picky? I own three different sets of Glock pistols(9mm, .40S&W, & .45 ACP)including G-17/19/26 the G-22/23/27 and G-21SF/30SF/36!Stock SIG P229 and stock Glock 17, all shot from a concealed holster at around 10-15 yards, and some while moving, which was which?
Glocks are more ammo "picky" and tend like their ammo hotter and with a jacket. If you load your own and have a Glock in the rotation, you pretty much need to load for the Glock, and the others will be OK. Doesnt always work the other way around.
From the standpoint of "target" accuracy, the SIG's generally do a little better, mostly because they offer a better sight picture and slightly nicer trigger. Shooting a little more realistically, I doubt you'll notice much of a difference.
In multiple thousands of rounds of shooting the only problems I've ever encountered revolved around the 30SF and it's dual recoil spring, which never failed to eject standard pressure .45 ACP brass directly into my face(hard), but ran like the wind when eating the heavy +P stuff...Aside from that, I've never had a single malfunction with any Glock pistol that wasn't instantly attributed to faulty ammo, ever!
Whats more, I've never even heard a reliable report of a Glock being finicky about choice of ammunition, though in the spirit of full disclosure, I have seen an 21SF KaBoom at the range(a double charged round of PMC 230gr factory ball)...
Just saying....
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