situation: you were forced to shoot someone

[JamisJockey]

But alas, you stuck the wrong magazine into your glocretta sig1911 this morning and instead of your normal gold-hyrda-dot-shocks you send him two Winchester white box fmj. He drops the gun and falls to the floor, but he's not dead or knocked out. What do you do?

Your original premise is flawed. Plenty of people have been killed outright with FMJ ammo, just ask any soldier that has served in combat. However, plenty have been shot with uber-tacticool-copper ammo and not died.

You! Stand by the door and make sure the cops don't shoot me when they come in to investigate! I'm keeping him covered in case he has more guns!"

So now the cops are going to think its a takeover robbery....brillant!

What if theres two thugs, then what???

You'd better be prepared for that. What if there is four of 'em? I'd rather go down swinging then with a bullet in the temple. BG #1 just showed what the plan is. Kill 'em all and leave no witnesses.....I don't know about you, but I'm not dying like that.

a very large part of my drill is to attach the (M6X) laser for extreme accuracy under stress,

You're kidding, right? :banghead:

 

[McCall911]

I'd say always do what your Preacherman tells you.

But, in calling 911, it's best to do so from the land line at the business. That way, the 911 operator (and police) will generally have the correct physical address from the moment of the call, thus avoiding any delays.

Dialing on a cell phone and telling the dispatcher that you're at "El Burro Muerto" on the east side of Anytown won't be a lot of help to anyone and will undoubtedly create a delay in response.

 

[nfl1990]

Given the fact that the BG surviving is a bad thing, might it be better to leave his pistol unsecured and him covered so that if he grabs it you put another round in his head before he can do anything?

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi nfl1990-

The idea of "letting" the injured badguy get to his gun is not advised. Someone will later testify you put a bullet into his head execution-style at close range. You can take that to the bank...

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[Herself]

Hah! Why even draw? Just do a quickie Brazilian Ninja tactical move and immoblize all the bad guys, then escape by running yourself down the drain....

Seriously, whatever you do in that kind of situation, your day ends face down and handcuffed, ready for a trip downtown. This is better than face down and in a body bag.

--herself

 

[JamisJockey]

Given the fact that the BG surviving is a bad thing, might it be better to leave his pistol unsecured and him covered so that if he grabs it you put another round in his head before he can do anything?

Whatever it is you're smoking, stop bogarting it.....share!

 

[Ryder]

I'd most likely reholster and wait for the police. I have this funny feeling the co-workers that were not killed will be wanting to take care of the murderer of the cashier for me.

I choose or request tables based on being able to watch the parking lot and prevent people from getting behind me. Observing others coming and going isn't something I have to work hard at. I am generally comfortable with my position but when I am not I will switch tables after ordering. This surprises a waitress but I've yet to see one object.

If he didnt arrive alone there's a good chance I already know it. Somebody said this accomplice could be pre-positioned to protect the guy I just shot? That's pretty sneaky but he's already failed his purpose. Him getting frisky after the fact doesn't make sense to me but then neither does letting down my guard until relieved of my firearm by the pollice.

 

[bogie]

You fire two shots into the thugs chest.

Opinions?

Two shots? You've got a double barrel? Bullets are cheap - if someone needs shooting, they need shooting a lot.

I can dump two mags from a 1911 in well under 10 seconds. With pie plate accuracy at 7 yards. Takes a second or so longer for two targets.

 

[JMusic]

Jeff and Preacherman have givin proper advise. I might add that you will be lucky to have many witnesses left for most will run like hell during and after the shootout. I'd be very suspicious of any left that are close to the action.
Jim

 

[Rockstar]

The fact that you had to "click the safety off" in the first place meant that you were inappropriately armed.

 

[springmom]

HiVelocity

Could you post the link to that data please? I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks.

Springmom

 

[JamisJockey]

The fact that you had to "click the safety off" in the first place meant that you were inappropriately armed.

That might be the dumbest thing I've read all day.

 

[birddog]

This whole thread is giving me a headache, but this:

The fact that you had to "click the safety off" in the first place meant that you were inappropriately armed.

hit a sour note with me, Rockstar. I carry my Ruger KP 345 with the safety on. It comes off when I'm ready to shoot. I've practiced drawing and pushing the safety up and there's no extra lag time that might be eliminated if I left it off-safe. Did I miss something?

 

[bcochran]

1. avoid Mexican food.
2. stop obsessing over hypotheticals.

You do what works for you. You don't park common sense by raising what you think is a legal question.

Yeah, so I am a lawyer. This type of question is in the category of "when can I shoot someone [and impliedly receive Brownie points], "what do I say to the police", yatta yatta. Want common sense, read my latest book, The Tango Connection, published in London. Off duty B.H. cop kills perp. Read what he does.

Frankly, I would be inclined to stablize the BG and walk away; and that is only because I am a nice guy and have compassion for others. Also, make sure that you shoot the guy in the back and with your lawyer present simply say I was trying to stop him from hurting other people.

 

[.abe]

This type of question is in the category of "when can I shoot someone [and impliedly receive Brownie points], "what do I say to the police", yatta yatta.

... "Yatta yatta?" ??? No one was "impliedly" implying anything. You are implying these are unimportant topics. Not so.

Want common sense, read my latest book, The Tango Connection, published in London. Off duty B.H. cop kills perp. Read what he does.

Want real common sense? The moderators and many others around here who make this a community have it and offer it freely. You obviously don't recognize it, so why would you have it? We don't need or want your foreign ads.

Frankly, I would be inclined to stablize the BG and walk away; and that is only because I am a nice guy and have compassion for others. Also, make sure that you shoot the guy in the back and with your lawyer present simply say I was trying to stop him from hurting other people.

Frankly, anyone would be doing good to just shoot the bastard (given the constraints of the thread title) for self-protection and that of others.

But you on the other hand have cool-ninja "nice-guy" powers that allow you to "stabilize" the BG and then walk away. ?!?!? This is what's called a (everyone repeat after me), "re-al-ity dis-tor-tion field".

<sarcasm>And yes ... make sure to shoot him in the back. You'll definitely have an air-tight case there!</sarcasm>

Yeah, so I am a lawyer.

I wouldn't reveal this anymore, if I were you.

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi All-

The other thing to keep in mind is that the police officers aren't going to arrive and give you high-fives, backslaps, atta-boys, and handshakes. They're likely going to roughly drop you to the ground (possibly at gunpoint) until things get sorted in their minds.

My vote would be for the gun to be holstered, under your control, visible and clearly non-threatening. When the police officers enter, immediately volunteer that you are the armed citizen that halted the crime and that your self-defense pistol is holstered on your hip. Your goal at this point is to maximize the comfort level of the responding officers.

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[McCall911]

yatta yatta

I knew that guy had some kind of point, and this must be it!

Want common sense, read my latest book

I really do have common sense. That's why I'm not gonna read your book.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the police officers aren't going to arrive and give you high-fives, backslaps, atta-boys, and handshakes.

+1 Blue Jays.
Just what I was going to offer.

 

[Leonardo]

I would have head shot him in the first place then holster and wait for the cops with the witnesses it would be a self defense plea.

The question is, would you finish your meal while waiting for the cops?

 

[Vitamin G]

Here's the situation:

He drops the gun and falls to the floor, but he's not dead or knocked out. What do you do?

Opinions?

1) Not dead\knocked out and coherent = cover him
2) Not dead\knocked out but incapacitated = cover him while moving for his weapon after checking my six... (IF the weapon seems out of his arms reach)
3) Dead\knocked out and nonresponsive = secure weapon (Perhaps even ordering a bystander to do so) and begin CPR after checking for backup weapons.

Then again, I'm young and foolish.
Very foolish...

 

[Nicky Santoro]

situation: you were forced to shoot someone

Per the referenced scenario?

I'd pocket his piece then get out of Dodge before the popo arrived to ruin my life for doing the right thing.