SKS powerful assault rifle!!!!

[Gixerman1000]

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1087550279259120.xml

THE WEAPON
Military-style assault rifle used to mow down officers


The weapon used to kill three Birmingham police officers Thursday in Ensley was a powerful assault rifle originally used for military purposes.

Police say the officers were shot with an SKS assault rifle, similar to an AK-47. The specific model was not available late Thursday. Police found the weapon in some bushes outside the house at 1619 18th St., where the shooting occurred.

The SKS is a gas-powered, semi-automatic rifle that usually holds 10 rounds and was first used by the Soviet Union in the mid1940s, according to www.hk94.com, an online resource for information about firearms. Semi-automatic means the weapon fires once with each pull of the trigger.


Anyone could purchase it easily at many gun shops, according to Cecil Lee, manager of Aero Marine Outfitters in Trussville.

Lee said that although a hunter might purchase the 9-pound gun for hunting, it's not the weapon of choice. "It's not normally a super-accurate gun," he said. "It would fall vaguely under the category of assault rifle."

Lee's shop doesn't carry it because he doesn't consider it a sporting gun.

At least two of the officers killed Thursday were wearing standard protective armor that would be unable to stop bullets from the SKS, but Lee said there are vests designed to stop such powerful blasts.

"It would probably shoot through two phone books," Lee said. "It's a rifle I would hope I wouldn't have to face."

Phillip George, a K-9 patrolman with the Tarrant Police Department, said the vests most police officers wear wouldn't be able to fend off bullets powered by a rifle like the SKS. Tarrant police use Army-donated vests that hold two ceramic plates, but George said even those vests might not withstand a blast from an SKS.

Reinforced vests are more effective against such rifles, but are much too heavy to wear for extended periods, George said. He added that they also wouldn't be useful in a tactical situation because they restrict movement.

"The whole vest itself is probably close to 40 pounds," he said about reinforced vests, adding that even standard vests are bulky at times.

 

[captain obvious]

Prey they never see my FAL, or horror of horrors, my SMLE.

 

[Amadeus]

I seem to remember going toe-to-toe with another reporter from the same paper on an article almost identical in tone and subject to this one some months ago. Methinks the editor is a moron.

 

[2nd Amendment]

Well, the article is no more or less than what is to be expected from the press. Spin that furthers their agenda with no consideration or attempt to learn facts. As for Mr Lee, he is unquestionably an idiot and a liar. A liar because he deliberately misrepresents the SKS and an idiot for even pretending to have a definition for "sporting" or that any such arbitrary definition means anything.

Most interesting to me is my curiosity regarding the convenient timing of this shooting...and how much it cost Schumer or Feinstein or whomever. And before someone accuses me of tinfoil apparel please keep in mind the Dems want us to believe all kinds of family/big oil/bin laden connections regarding our president and the Iraqi war. If this sort of thing is supposedly legitimate then how much more likely is it that a third rate politico would fund the killing of a nobody in Fly-Over country to further his own agenda and keep his/her name in lights.

 

[No Trespassing]

Wow. .

A "gas powered" SKS?

I must be a real dope. I've been using the battery operated SKS and I spend a fortunr in batteries. I was gonna upgrade to the solar powered SKS but now that I know there's a gas powered version......

 

[Kestryll]

Anyone could purchase it easily at many gun shops, according to Cecil Lee, manager of Aero Marine Outfitters in Trussville.

Lee said that although a hunter might purchase the 9-pound gun for hunting, it's not the weapon of choice. "It's not normally a super-accurate gun," he said. "It would fall vaguely under the category of assault rifle."

Lee's shop doesn't carry it because he doesn't consider it a sporting gun.

If this guy sells guns as it seems to imply then he needs to be put out of business....... for his concience's sake.....

 

[Gixerman1000]

Just in case your wondering about who the sell out who told them that BS is ,

Aero Marine LLC
4400 Valley Rd, TRUSSVILLE, AL 35173
Phone: (205) 661-1212

Ask for lee...

 

[shep854]

I just watched a TV news report; and aside from a breathless emphasis on the words "powerful assault rifle", nothing about gun bans ( I know it's early).

Rev Abraham Woods (a local wheel in the Southern Christian Leadership Conference) was shown calling on the people to fight the druggies and thugs and to support the police--all three officers killed were white.

Alabama is VERY pro-gun (all races), so the gun control angle may not fly well down here.

 

[Dienekes]

Potent combination--a dumbed down populace and a news twit with a word processor.

God forbid we ever call these people to account for stupidity.

 

[Cellar Dweller]

The SKS is a gas-powered, semi-automatic rifle that usually holds 10 rounds

the vests most police officers wear wouldn't be able to fend off bullets powered by a rifle like the SKS

"It's not normally a super-accurate gun,"

those vests might not withstand a blast from an SKS.

Eureka! The solution to SKS accuracy and power has been revealed!

You need gas to power the SKS, which powers the bullet, which creates a blast. Said blast is what is super-accurate and vest-piercing (or two whole phone books) . Ordinary bullets are sometimes fended, presumably by feral phone books .

Everyone who puts the usual 10 rounds of ammo hoping for accuracy and phone-bookin' penetration have been doing it all wrong!

 

[Langenator]

The SKS is a gas-powered, semi-automatic rifle

I'd heard about the US Army working on liquid propellants for artillery pieces and maybe tank guns as well. Seems the Soviets beat them to it, and made it rifle size to boot.

Tarrant police use Army-donated vests that hold two ceramic plates, but George said even those vests might not withstand a blast from an SKS.

Actually, the Army's new Interceptor Body Armor (IBA) with the ceramic plates inserted can and has, in action, stopped 7.62x39 rounds.

Reinforced vests are more effective against such rifles, but are much too heavy to wear for extended periods, George said. He added that they also wouldn't be useful in a tactical situation because they restrict movement.

That's why you never see pictures of our troops in Iraq and A-stan wearing their IBA. Especially when they're in action against enemy goblin types.

Moron.

 

[Waitone]

"Assault Weapons" are yesterday's news.

Latest buzz term is "Armor Piercing" ammo. Newest boogie man is AP ammo. Save the police, do it for the children, etc.

 

[Pilgrim]

As for Mr Lee, he is unquestionably an idiot and a liar. A liar because he deliberately misrepresents the SKS and an idiot for even pretending to have a definition for "sporting" or that any such arbitrary definition means anything.

Mr. Lee is like many gun dealers in the United States. If he is anything like my neighbor-FFL was in the PDRK, he doesn't understand the allure of military style arms and wants nothing to do with them because of the "clientele" they attract. In my neighbor-FFL's case, he meant the crazy sailors and Marines from the naval air station who only seemed to want M-16s, machine guns, and other assault rifles. His motivation was simple. He didn't want the publicity he would attract if one of 'them' crazies shot up the town with an SKS or AK series rifle.

My neighbor-FFL would not stock military styled rifles, but he would take them in trade if he thought he could find a "trusted" buyer like myself who he was sure wouldn't shoot up the town in a killer rage.

Pilgrim

 

[magsnubby]

One day the quote will be "Lee's shop no longer sells firearms since the Brady Bill 3 banned all firearms.....

???????s like him make gun control a whole easier.

 

[shep854]

Sunuvagun. I have driven past that place for over ten years and didn't know they sold guns. With the name and an F-16 silhouette, I thought they were an avionics repair shop.

Vito's Too gunshop was featured on a local news report. That idiot could have been reading from Feinstein's script.

Of course, these probably were the only two shops the media could find that would say what they wanted. No telling how many others (there are tons of gun stores in the Birmingham area) tried to tell the straight scoop.

 

[Weimadog]

I dont' know what it is that makes so many people think the SKS is some sort of super weapon.

One of my employees wanted to hunt deer, and asked me for advice about what sort of rifle to use. I told him I didn't know much about hunting, but he could fire my rifles to determine what he liked (such as Nagant M44, a .308, an SKS)

His father told him not to get an SKS, as it is an assault rifle so powerful it would ruin too much of the meat if you used to to shoot a deer. The father suggested a lever action thutty-thutty.

My BS alarm went off!

I got out my handy dandy NRA facts book, and pointed out that there is not a hug difference between the kinetic energy levels of the 7.62x39 and the 30-30.

The trouble is, the enemy can spout all sorts of tripe (gun in the home 42 times more likely to blah blah blah) and in order to refute the garbage, it takes a whole arsenal of published facts. It really is tiring proving the antis wrong.

 

[jefnvk]

VPC already all over this: http://vpc.org/graphics/sksfactsheetfinal.pdf

 

[mainmech48]

Y'all could do worse than Cecil Lee. Sounds like he's just a "usefull idiot" that the reporter happened to run across looking for a quote.

Here in Indiana we have Don Davis. He's the "go-to" moron here in central Indiana when the media wants an "expert" to put a good negative spin on a firearms story.

He has "name recognition" in the area from a long-running series of late night TV ads that he used to run for the three shops he owns (ed) down in Indianapolis. Tag line was "I don't wanna make any money, folks; I just love to sell guns! (followed by Beavis and Butthead-style chuckle)".

High volume business based upon inexpensive, low-end quality handguns. (typical ad copy: .38 Spl revolver $99! .25 automatic $69.95! 9mm auto $109.95!) His sales people were infamous among the local shooting community for preying on the ignorance of novices and their aggressive "bait-and-switch" tactics.

To illustrate his rep with serious shooters, there were some flyers going around at the local clubs with a picture of him from an ad holding a Lorcin .25 and doing his "possum" grin. Caption was "Would you buy a used gun from this man?"

Any time there's a hatchet job in the works on a "gun related" issue, they'll call ol' Don. He's always happy to tell 'em anything they want to hear, and has just the right sort of sleezey, unctuous persona to give the public the image the media wants to paint all of us with.

Shoot! Ol' Cecil's just a fool. We got us a gen-u-wine celebrity spokesman here!

 

[Bruce H]

Go to Mr. Lees shop and see if he stocks any snub nosed revolvers or compact semi-autos. Ask him why he handles weapons that are only fit to kill people and have no useful hunting purpose.

 

[George S.]

His father told him not to get an SKS, as it is an assault rifle so powerful it would ruin too much of the meat if you used to to shoot a deer. The father suggested a lever action thutty-thutty.

My BS alarm went off!

I got out my handy dandy NRA facts book, and pointed out that there is not a hug difference between the kinetic energy levels of the 7.62x39 and the 30-30.

And isn't the 30-30 one of the calibers that Teddy Kennedy wants to ban?? Wonder how long it will take him to update his list....

 

[dukeofurl]

My Glock 9mm shoots through 2 phonebooks - what is this moron speaking of?

 

[Weimadog]

dukeofurl, you must mean "Glockninemillimeter". If it's a Glock, it's a "ninemillimeter".

What phone books are you talking about? Penetration of the New York City phone books would indicate real 'stopping power'. A .25 could probably go through the Vernal Utah phone book.

 

[Treylis]

What phone books are you talking about? Penetration of the New York City phone books would indicate real 'stopping power'. A .25 could probably go through the Vernal Utah phone book.

Hmm, you know, bringing up something like that has never occurred to me when people have talked about phone books--which is kinda funny, considering how self-evident it seems now. Good idea.

 

[Travis McGee]

The SKS is an ideal "assault weapon" from the grabboids POV, for banning all semi-auto rifles. It has a wood stock and no pistol grip, and as designed fires only ten rounds from an internal mag.

IOW, the only way to eliminate the peril from such "assault rifles" is to ban ALL semi-auto rifles, period. There is no point in going after high-cap mags or pistol grips, because "massacres" can even be done with the plain-Jane ten round SKS.

(That's why I picked an SKS for the bad guys to use in the stadium massacre in my book. They want ALL semis banned, not just more restrictions on high cap mags or external features.)

And of course, the fact that they fire "high powered armor piercing cop-killer bullets....."

 

[Moparmike]

You know, someday I am going to build a full-auto AR-15 pattern honest-to-God Assault Rifle in .700NE with a 30rd mag and start showing it off to reporters. Then I never want them to call a .223 or AK "high power assault rifle" again. The term is an oxymoron.