Speer Gold Dot vs Winchester PDX1 in 9mm

[HK Jake]

While I agree in principle that marginal improvements are no substitute for training, the two are not mutually exclusive.
"The race is not always to the fast nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet."
In other words, all else equal, why not opt for every advantage you can get?

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

What's the point in having standards and tests if they are disregarded? Hell, if the FBI hadn't set up these standards and testing procedures we'd still be using full metal jackets or hollow points which plugged and/or didn't expand or penetrate with any consistency!

I see no reason why, when given the choice, a person would not choose to use a round which consistently performed 100% better than another round, especially when it's less expensive! We are talking about our lives here, not which shoes we put on in the morning! I'd like every advantage I can get!

If you show up for a fair fight, you're not prepared!

 

[MikeNice]

Let me put it succinctly. Either one will work.

If you are looking for another opinion, I have one. The police department I work for puts 124gr+P Federal HST bullets in their 9mms. It has done the job against a t-shirt at 100 degrees. It has also done the job against winter wear at sub freezing temperatures.

They have worked every time in the Sig Sauer P229. I have talked to the officers that use this round every time they hit the range. I have also talked to officers that used the round in defense of lives. They all trust it without hesitation and many carry it in their off duty guns.

I can't think of a much more ringing endorsement.

My second choice would be the Winchester Ranger Bonded 147gr 9mm. It penetrates better than the Ranger T. It also expands more than the 124+p Ranger Bonded in heavy cloth and denim. It expands to .58 inches and penetrates as much as 16.5 inches through heavy cloth and denim.

 

[rhinoh]

Easy solution- alternate the two in your mags. Double tap gets the bad guy one of each

 

[MikeNice]

rhinoh wins post of the week hands down.

 

[gofastman]

HST's are usually my first choice, but since that's not an option, Gold Dot's are a very close second. If it were a car only gun I would choose Gold Dots first, they do a bit better when dealing with auto glass from what I have seen.

HST's are some of, if not the best JHP design on the market right now. HST retain more weight through auto windshields than the bonded gold dots, even though they are not bonded.

check it out on ATK's LE website

hmmm, I though I remembered reading on that exact website that the HST's had a bit of trouble with auto glass.
Oh well, I guess I'm just going crazy.

 

[Erik M]

gold dot 124 grain +P, all day everyday in my carry guns.


Winchester claims that they get 6 more inches of penetration in a clothed target than bare gelatin. Interesting physics there.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

hmmm, I though I remembered reading on that exact website that the HST's had a bit of trouble with auto glass.

quite the opposite make sure you read ATK's LE site. in almost every test, the non-bonded HST's retained more weight than the gold dot's through auto glass.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

Winchester claims that they get 6 more inches of penetration in a clothed target than bare gelatin. Interesting physics there.

probably because they don't expand LOL