thrasher64
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Last night I became the proud owner of a PT145 Pro 3rd gen and I am loving the little thing so far. Put 50 rounds through her before dusk last night and had not a single issue, 
And what a muzzle flash 
And what a muzzle flash 
Taurus Millennium Pro owners?
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GW
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LOL You know it! I acquired a used PT-145 and took it to an indoor range with dim lighting
Wow! Everyone there was suitably impressed. I was shooting CCI Blazer Brass
I love this little gun My G-30 has some competition now.
weregunner
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Trigger reset was how I was taught also. Have a PT111 Mil/pro. The DAO trigger has been easy to learn and use. That little pistol has gien sterling service and will gobble up any ammo it has been given. Time for an update folks and several posters here already are aware and made the change already. Taurusforum.com at www.unitedfroums.com no longer exists. The owner wiped the slate clean and dumped everything there and no one will be able to use it ever again. We old members were made aware of this a month or so ago of the demise. Flyer, a member of the old site, created the replacement Taurus forum www.taurusarmed.net , which has expanded greatly compared to the old defunct place. Much nicer place than the old one. Many members here are also at the new site. There is even a new Rossi board for those folk as well as a board for other types and makes of firearms. So check it out . Taurus got it right with the 24/7 series and any of the Millenium series. We who have them know better than some of the "conventional wisdom" that is out there. Oh, yes. Trolls and bashers need not apply. Any well thought out fact or opinion is allowed. Just back up what is said with facts. Makes it easier for everone concerned.
Nice Forum thanks.
I like the forum link, nice. I was reading an article about the .45 version developed for the military to test. It features a da/sa version with a safety and a decock on a striker fired pistol. Also the safety can be on and not decock the pistol which some might perfer. If they produce this for the public put me number 1 on the waiting list. I mentioned in a previous post how to decock the da/sa version but this would be a great seller.
Dave
I like the forum link, nice. I was reading an article about the .45 version developed for the military to test. It features a da/sa version with a safety and a decock on a striker fired pistol. Also the safety can be on and not decock the pistol which some might perfer. If they produce this for the public put me number 1 on the waiting list. I mentioned in a previous post how to decock the da/sa version but this would be a great seller.
Dave
weregunner
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That's why I like the article in the NRA's American Rifleman. No nonsense and straight forward appraisal. Best article seen to date. No cliches and other garbage cluttering up the eval of the pistol. Enjoy the forum.
koja48
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Happy with mine. Not my primary carry piece, but shoots well, is smooth & reliable, easy to conceal.
Florida_Cracker
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RE: SA/DA PT145Pro
I have tried Dave's suggestion (pasted below) more than once -- and I very much like it!
I suppose it would be possible to have a discharge, but if you are prepared for it, it would neither be accidental or negligent.
I plan on carrying my 3rd generation PT145 with the safety off and the first shot Double Action. Until Dave's suggestion I thought that this was not a possibility.
Thanks, Dave, I'm surprized that there have been no other replies to your message.
I apoligise if I did not reference Dave's message correctly. I could not figure out how to do it otherwise.
Greg
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MESSAGE FROM: 03fomoco (Dave)
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It started to really bug me that the striker was cocked and no decock, I do not want to carry a gun with the safety on in a critical situation, I just dont know how I will perfrom in a critical situation even with tons of practice. Anyways carrying an SA/DA gun cocked is not an option, so I started playing with the gun and found you can pull the slide back 1/2 inch squeez the trigger (always in a safe direction) and ride the striker forward. Not sure what you guys will think of this. To me it is no different that decocking a SA revolver except it is safer. Let me explain. With the slide back .5 inch you have the striker spring compressed and held by the slide so the striker cannot move, you also have the firing pin block engaged because the slide has to be all the way forward for the trigger to deactivate the firing pin block. I might get flamed for this but I have done this hundreds of times on the range to practice full pull first shots, this also lets me carry the gun decocked safety off.
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Dave
I have tried Dave's suggestion (pasted below) more than once -- and I very much like it!
I suppose it would be possible to have a discharge, but if you are prepared for it, it would neither be accidental or negligent.
I plan on carrying my 3rd generation PT145 with the safety off and the first shot Double Action. Until Dave's suggestion I thought that this was not a possibility.
Thanks, Dave, I'm surprized that there have been no other replies to your message.
I apoligise if I did not reference Dave's message correctly. I could not figure out how to do it otherwise.
Greg
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MESSAGE FROM: 03fomoco (Dave)
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It started to really bug me that the striker was cocked and no decock, I do not want to carry a gun with the safety on in a critical situation, I just dont know how I will perfrom in a critical situation even with tons of practice. Anyways carrying an SA/DA gun cocked is not an option, so I started playing with the gun and found you can pull the slide back 1/2 inch squeez the trigger (always in a safe direction) and ride the striker forward. Not sure what you guys will think of this. To me it is no different that decocking a SA revolver except it is safer. Let me explain. With the slide back .5 inch you have the striker spring compressed and held by the slide so the striker cannot move, you also have the firing pin block engaged because the slide has to be all the way forward for the trigger to deactivate the firing pin block. I might get flamed for this but I have done this hundreds of times on the range to practice full pull first shots, this also lets me carry the gun decocked safety off.
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Dave
DANGEROUS and FOOLISH
IMO - As an Instructor, a Safety Officer and a Dealer - daves suggestion is both Dangerous and Foolish.
A decocker is designed to safely de-cock a DA/SA pistol - the move listed below is NOT.
Carrying a SA/DA loaded, safety on is how this firearm is designed to be carried, much like a 1911. If you are uncomfortable carrying this way you have two choices:
1) Carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide when the need arises - SAFE but time-sensitive...
OR
2) Find another preferred carry weapon.
IMO - this is a ND just waithng to happen.
Be Safe!
IMO - As an Instructor, a Safety Officer and a Dealer - daves suggestion is both Dangerous and Foolish.
A decocker is designed to safely de-cock a DA/SA pistol - the move listed below is NOT.
Carrying a SA/DA loaded, safety on is how this firearm is designed to be carried, much like a 1911. If you are uncomfortable carrying this way you have two choices:
1) Carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide when the need arises - SAFE but time-sensitive...
OR
2) Find another preferred carry weapon.
IMO - this is a ND just waithng to happen.
Be Safe!
That method for decocking a Taurus PRO series, DA/SA pistol was posted on the "Taurus Talk" board some time ago.
When I still had my PT111 PRO, I tried decocking it without a round chambered and it worked some of the time, but not all the time.
IMO, you're asking for trouble decocking a pistol using that method!
Seems to me that if that was a safe way of decocking, Taurus would have recommended it
The PRO series is meant to be carried cocked and locked.
I agree were TC-TX says,
"1) Carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide when the need arises - SAFE but time-sensitive...
OR
2) Find another preferred carry weapon."
When I still had my PT111 PRO, I tried decocking it without a round chambered and it worked some of the time, but not all the time.
IMO, you're asking for trouble decocking a pistol using that method!
Seems to me that if that was a safe way of decocking, Taurus would have recommended it
The PRO series is meant to be carried cocked and locked.
I agree were TC-TX says,
"1) Carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide when the need arises - SAFE but time-sensitive...
OR
2) Find another preferred carry weapon."
I figured I would get flamed.
I figured some would not agree, lets look at a few things. With the slide back more than about 3/16" the striker block is engaged and cannot be disengaged because the slide has to be all the way forward for the trigger to deactivate it. This is no different than decocking an sa revolver. This is the same device that prevents the gun from firing on the decockable OSS version. My problem with a striker fired pistol is that I am an active person (hiking, camping, hunting) and with an IWB holster if I ever pulled a cocked and locked striker fired gun out and the safety was off (by my own fault or accidentally) it would probably bother me to the point of never carrying that gun again IWB. It is only a matter of time until the MILPRO that was tested for the military which can be carried both cocked and locked and decocked safety on or off shows up in the compact version. It will be a huge seller for the striker fire market and I will be the first one on the list to order one. Locally I have had instructors that were impressed with the idea and others that have chewed my head off, so nothing will really get solved in this thread or on the internet, I just wanted to put the info out there. Some people choose to perform there own gun modifications with third party parts to me that is crazy so to each his own. I do know that a decocked striker fired gun would be next to impossible to discharge no matter what broke or failed.
Dave
I figured some would not agree, lets look at a few things. With the slide back more than about 3/16" the striker block is engaged and cannot be disengaged because the slide has to be all the way forward for the trigger to deactivate it. This is no different than decocking an sa revolver. This is the same device that prevents the gun from firing on the decockable OSS version. My problem with a striker fired pistol is that I am an active person (hiking, camping, hunting) and with an IWB holster if I ever pulled a cocked and locked striker fired gun out and the safety was off (by my own fault or accidentally) it would probably bother me to the point of never carrying that gun again IWB. It is only a matter of time until the MILPRO that was tested for the military which can be carried both cocked and locked and decocked safety on or off shows up in the compact version. It will be a huge seller for the striker fire market and I will be the first one on the list to order one. Locally I have had instructors that were impressed with the idea and others that have chewed my head off, so nothing will really get solved in this thread or on the internet, I just wanted to put the info out there. Some people choose to perform there own gun modifications with third party parts to me that is crazy so to each his own. I do know that a decocked striker fired gun would be next to impossible to discharge no matter what broke or failed.
Dave
Please Stop Advocating UnSafe Practices
Dave - it is an UNSAFE practice AND it is a ND just waiting to happen.
It is NOT the way the gun was designed to operate and would never be supported by its manufacturer.
I would NEVER advocate anyone performing this procedure with a loaded weapon. You should not either, as Bad Advice tends to find its way back to the source when things go wrong.
I will toss anyone from my range AND my classroom if I see them attempt this unsound and unSAFE maneuver in my presence.
Above All - Be Safe.
Dave - it is an UNSAFE practice AND it is a ND just waiting to happen.
It is NOT the way the gun was designed to operate and would never be supported by its manufacturer.
I would NEVER advocate anyone performing this procedure with a loaded weapon. You should not either, as Bad Advice tends to find its way back to the source when things go wrong.
I will toss anyone from my range AND my classroom if I see them attempt this unsound and unSAFE maneuver in my presence.
Above All - Be Safe.
Taurus92 in KyleTX
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Another ? for Pt-111 Pro owners...
I just posted this over on the taurusarmed.net boards, but figured I'd increase my chances to get an answer...
I love just about everything, concerning my recent PT-111 Pro purchase.
The one thing that is really eating at me is the gap between the magazine base (extended finger rest style) and the the grip. And, I seem to have the issue with either of the two magazines that came with the pistol.
There is about a millimeter separation that, after every shot, pinches my pinky finger, when the next round is stripped from the magazine.
My questions are:
1) Does anybody else have this issue with the magazine pinching your finger?
2) Is this a manufacturing spec that is fairly loose?
3) Any ideas for correcting this besides changing the magazine base (or not using my pinky finger to grip)?
My only thought has been to place a rubber band around the magazine just above the base to dampen the pinching. But, my worry is doing so will impact the ability to feed the next round.
I appreciate any advice on this.
Thanks,
scott
I just posted this over on the taurusarmed.net boards, but figured I'd increase my chances to get an answer...
I love just about everything, concerning my recent PT-111 Pro purchase.
The one thing that is really eating at me is the gap between the magazine base (extended finger rest style) and the the grip. And, I seem to have the issue with either of the two magazines that came with the pistol.
There is about a millimeter separation that, after every shot, pinches my pinky finger, when the next round is stripped from the magazine.
My questions are:
1) Does anybody else have this issue with the magazine pinching your finger?
2) Is this a manufacturing spec that is fairly loose?
3) Any ideas for correcting this besides changing the magazine base (or not using my pinky finger to grip)?
My only thought has been to place a rubber band around the magazine just above the base to dampen the pinching. But, my worry is doing so will impact the ability to feed the next round.
I appreciate any advice on this.
Thanks,
scott
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Please, Dave, this is no flame.
Folks, PLEASE listen to TC-TX. The pistol is NOT meant to be operated in this fashion.
I am no gunsmith, but if it were meant to be it would be written in the owners manual. IT IS NOT.
This is trouble waiting to happen, and it is trouble you can avoid. Everyone here is to smart for that.
Folks, PLEASE listen to TC-TX. The pistol is NOT meant to be operated in this fashion.
I am no gunsmith, but if it were meant to be it would be written in the owners manual. IT IS NOT.
This is trouble waiting to happen, and it is trouble you can avoid. Everyone here is to smart for that.
Taurus92 in KyleTX
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kokapelli,
that looks about comparable to mine. thanks for the pic for visual aide!
guess I'll just have to develop a callus, unless somebody has any suggestions.
that looks about comparable to mine. thanks for the pic for visual aide!
guess I'll just have to develop a callus, unless somebody has any suggestions.
OK i registered just because people were driving me crazy with their replies like 'No way am I carrying this sa/da cocked'.
Look with the DAO when you pull the trigger it cocks and drops the firing pin.
With the SA/DA when you pull the trigger it drops the cocked firing pin.
You notice the only thing different that happens between the two with a trigger pull is the DAO cocks the pin then drops it. So the only argument is your afraid that the pin is going to drop via some other method than a trigger pull since a trigger pull on both achieves the same thing.
But guess whaaaaatt, they BOTH have a firing pin block that is only dis-engaged with a pull of the trigger. So the ONLY way that either of these are firing is with a pull of the trigger.
And if you mess up enough to fire a SA/DA by accidentally hitting the trigger, it is very likely going to be hard enough to fire the DAO as well.
So stop complaining about the SA/DA. PLEASEEE!!!
Look with the DAO when you pull the trigger it cocks and drops the firing pin.
With the SA/DA when you pull the trigger it drops the cocked firing pin.
You notice the only thing different that happens between the two with a trigger pull is the DAO cocks the pin then drops it. So the only argument is your afraid that the pin is going to drop via some other method than a trigger pull since a trigger pull on both achieves the same thing.
But guess whaaaaatt, they BOTH have a firing pin block that is only dis-engaged with a pull of the trigger. So the ONLY way that either of these are firing is with a pull of the trigger.
And if you mess up enough to fire a SA/DA by accidentally hitting the trigger, it is very likely going to be hard enough to fire the DAO as well.
So stop complaining about the SA/DA. PLEASEEE!!!
That statement implies that the trigger pull required to fire a 1911 would be approximately the same as the trigger pull to fire a revolver and that's ridiculous!
Anyone that has DAO and a SA pistols knows that a single action pistol's trigger only needs to be moved a fraction of an inch to release the striker or hammer and that is usually a very light pull.
A DAO trigger usually has a heavier and much longer pull than a SA trigger and requires a very purposeful pull to fire it.
KaliS-Pugilist
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GUNS ARE NOT "SAFE"....THEY ARE GUNS!!!
i took the day off and just came to browse and found this same old argument about SA vs DAO and safety.
the thing that keeps getting me is that some people have the idea in their heads that guns are "safe" if you have certain safety features added to them. this is, IMHO, just plain crazy. a gun is a gun and not a toy, period. their very nature is NOT safe. its a useful tool that primarily fires bullets which sometimes cause very serious injury and/or take lives...not really a "safe" thing right.
when dealing with firearms one should just realise that you are dealing with a serious tool and you have to be serious 100% of the time when handling them. if you are that timid and cautious about carrying a loaded gun with one in the chamber...then my suggestions is that you simply just dont carry a loaded gun with one in the chamber. to have the belief that you may fire the gun by accident just because its SA its no more valid then the other.
both have an equal chance of going off by accident. sorry but guns are not fool proof. the best thing is to be totally mindful of what you have and the seriousness of the tool you are carrying. always treat a gun as loaded, either in a holster (that covers the trigger), a safe, or locked up. keep your finger off the trigger unless you are willing to shoot something. learn proper holstering techniques. learn proper drawing techniques.
once you have trained yourself, realize that you have to do the same things that you have trained EVERY time without fail. if not then you may just accidentaly discharge the firearm. its not going to go off by itself...its gonna take you and your momment of carelessness to get it done:banghead:
the bottom line is to remember that you have to handle a firearm properly 100% of the time without having a brain fart. it takes time and getting used to. you should never ever feel "safe" that some feature of your gun is gonna keep it from firing...NEVER!!!
ok, im good now...done venting...
i took the day off and just came to browse and found this same old argument about SA vs DAO and safety.
the thing that keeps getting me is that some people have the idea in their heads that guns are "safe" if you have certain safety features added to them. this is, IMHO, just plain crazy. a gun is a gun and not a toy, period. their very nature is NOT safe. its a useful tool that primarily fires bullets which sometimes cause very serious injury and/or take lives...not really a "safe" thing right. when dealing with firearms one should just realise that you are dealing with a serious tool and you have to be serious 100% of the time when handling them. if you are that timid and cautious about carrying a loaded gun with one in the chamber...then my suggestions is that you simply just dont carry a loaded gun with one in the chamber. to have the belief that you may fire the gun by accident just because its SA its no more valid then the other.
both have an equal chance of going off by accident. sorry but guns are not fool proof. the best thing is to be totally mindful of what you have and the seriousness of the tool you are carrying. always treat a gun as loaded, either in a holster (that covers the trigger), a safe, or locked up. keep your finger off the trigger unless you are willing to shoot something. learn proper holstering techniques. learn proper drawing techniques.
once you have trained yourself, realize that you have to do the same things that you have trained EVERY time without fail. if not then you may just accidentaly discharge the firearm. its not going to go off by itself...its gonna take you and your momment of carelessness to get it done:banghead:
the bottom line is to remember that you have to handle a firearm properly 100% of the time without having a brain fart. it takes time and getting used to. you should never ever feel "safe" that some feature of your gun is gonna keep it from firing...NEVER!!!
ok, im good now...done venting...
Actually thats not what I'm trying to imply. I said IF you hit a trigger it is in all likeliness going to be hard enough to shoot the DAO trigger as well. I completely understand that the DAO takes more weight to pull but if you accidentally bump your trigger enough to set it off it isn't likely a light bump either way.
Just get a good holster to cover the trigger, use the manual safety, and take your time re-holstering. There is no problem with the SA/DA just the people who use them.
Marshall
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What makes a 3rd Generation a 3rd Generation?
Jkwas
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The first generation Millenium had lots of teething problems and was superceded by the second generation, known as the "Millenium Pro". This model has a DAO trigger and an improved frame design. The third generation has the DA/SA trigger ala the 24/7 model.
My question is this: Why not just use the safety? Even the DAO model, like mine, has a very light trigger pull albeit long. I use the safety when there's one in the pipe myself.
My question is this: Why not just use the safety? Even the DAO model, like mine, has a very light trigger pull albeit long. I use the safety when there's one in the pipe myself.
Jkwas
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Thanks, that's what I meant to say
Taurus PT145 3rd generation
I'm new here and am looking to purchase a PT145 Millenium Pro. After reading comments in this thread about SA/DA, 2nd / 3rd generation, how do you tell the 3rd generation apart from the others?
Have seen one in a gun store with a two dot adjustable sight system but without the "Pro" after the word Millenium. Also have seen a 3 dot sight one that does have the word "Pro" after the word Millenium. Is this the difference between 2nd and 3rd generation PT145? Or what else should I look for?
Also, the one I saw with the words "Pro" on the left side was listed as a double action only. Is there one that is SA? If so, can someone tell me how this is supposed to work? Can't quite picture it as SA mode without an external hammer.
Thanks in advance for any info.
I'm new here and am looking to purchase a PT145 Millenium Pro. After reading comments in this thread about SA/DA, 2nd / 3rd generation, how do you tell the 3rd generation apart from the others?
Have seen one in a gun store with a two dot adjustable sight system but without the "Pro" after the word Millenium. Also have seen a 3 dot sight one that does have the word "Pro" after the word Millenium. Is this the difference between 2nd and 3rd generation PT145? Or what else should I look for?
Also, the one I saw with the words "Pro" on the left side was listed as a double action only. Is there one that is SA? If so, can someone tell me how this is supposed to work? Can't quite picture it as SA mode without an external hammer.
Thanks in advance for any info.
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