The Citizen's Rifle

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I think the best idea would be to stick to mass produced cartridges, namely 5.56, 7.62x51, possibly 7.62x39. 6.8 spc isn't quite big enough yet, 6.5 grendel is just sprouting, and i have no idea what .280 orion is.
Both the Grendel and SPC are there in the event that the military, however unlikely it may be, adopts them. Plus, they're just popular calibers, like .260 Remington. .280 Orion does not exist. I merely wish it did.
Choices right now are lacking. I've owned mini-14's and cannot honestly recommend them to anyone. They are what they are, don't expect them to replace a miltary rifle. The keltec 16's look like they lack the robust qualities I would like in a rifle, but I have never owned one. Maybe if they made it with a solid fixed stock.
You can get bot a rugged rifle and an accurate rifle in the same package. It won't have ultra-match accuracy, but it'll be more than battle worthy. It also won't be as reliable as an AK, but nothing is as reliable as an AK, except the AK and its assorted knockoffs. That's the reward for having no precision whatsoever.
All you have to do is say "where are the areas that most matter for accuracy?". The barrel, obviously. Put extra time and effort into the barrel. Put extra time and effort into those areas most important to accuracy, then design everything else like you want your rifle to be the most reliable thing short of an AK. It's more than just a compromise, it's smart designing.
 
I am a frequent guest to forums, particularly THR, ive not been prompted to join until i read this post. I have been designing firearms for 3 years, mechanically and aesthetically. To address the situation regarding now, I suggest a change to the criteria regarding your rifle. In a potential civil unrest, any formed resistance will rely on the enemy for ammo and supplies. Civilian nonmilitary ammo tends to run out first.

That being said we address the need of a gun design, we can use existing guns that we have to address the prewar supply. My criteria for resistance is, if they ban anything I currently own (grandfathered or not) I will go and answer the call. Now suggestible for a country in which weapons are already banned and inaccessable, we can suggest that the person can build his own provided that the methods tools and supplies are correct.

My suggested Criteria:

Homescale production (commercial enterprises are easily targeted, hard to fund, and just a whole stache ready to be taken up by them or us, nasty)

Simple

Common Cartridge

Reliable


With that addressed the typical communist category of small arms seemingly fits that bill. However many of these weapons are already banned in many areas.

A universal easy to produce design on the homescale level using minimum tools- complex in theory, simple in application. A drill, hacksaw, and a bit of plumbing and one can produce admirable home craftsmanship.

The design basis I recommend is a carbine format - to save resources in a strained production line. The weapons locking system needs to be affiliated with the gas system to produce uniformity. I suggest a piston-bolt carrier application much like the AK, that is easy to slide out and in of the gas tube.

For interchange of cartridge using a bolt/barrel kit (produced smoothbore on a homescale level to replace obscure rifle cartridge if you did choose obscurity) Make the gas system independent in structure of the bolt and the barrel. This will allow you to change the barrel without fiddling with the gas tube.

The bolt barrel maximum should be high to accomodate more rounds and higher strengths to existing rounds.

Make the bolt carrier universal in that it can take multiple bolt sizes for different cartridges, that way you can just tilt the gun frame and switch out the bolt, for the desired cartridge ;). For the magazine well, make it like an AR and put two replaceable pins that contact the reciever so that you can switch out the well, along with a trigger group as needed. (complies with stanag to get you an SMG/carbine for all you AR buffs ;) )

All in all you can go from a full sized rifle with a long barrel and a large cartridge. Change out the stock, the caliber to that of a pistol, and a shorter barrel, and voila a subgun.

Will codesign at PM request

(wonder what would happen if you gave an AK an m16 bolt locking system, more accuracy?)

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On another preshtf-war note. Use an existing design that is affordable, recruits will pay for lack of preparation in expedient arms :) .

Buy a few nagants and SKS's or hipoints to give your buddies.
Save the AR's and AK's for yourselves.

~Tape
 
What you really need to design is a bolt-action rifle that can accept a working Pedersen-type device to convert it to semi-auto. That way it will survive any semi-auto bans, can be made simply, yet can be converted to a more effective type of rifle using parts that are legal today, and impossible to trace or ban in the future.

Otherwise something like what recycledtape mentions. Sell it as a single sheet of steel with a template. Let everyone make their own. This is why the open-bolt subgun is so nice. Pistol caliber ammo is relatively low pressure and the open bolt eliminates all that complex trigger stuff. Think of it as a modern take on the liberator pistol :)
 
I don't understand the concept. Must survive multiple weapons bans? First, If there's more than one, whatever it is would probably be banned. No way to read the future either.
Second, would it survive an ammo ban, even if it survivied "multiple" weapons bans?
 
Let's make that new rifle in the new American 6.5 cartridge. The American 6.5, one that we'll dream up here and now, will have a bullet that weighs in at about 130 grains. The length of the brass will be... oh... about 43 to 45 millimeters long. Say 44 mm. So, our new round will be the 6.5 X 44. So, all of you whiz kids tell us how that new bullet, in theory, will work out. Should we change the bullet weight? The shoulders of the new cartridge should be like the present .223/5.56 cartridge or .308/7.62 NATO cartridge so that it will feed right. The present 6.5 Grendel, the barrel shape, isn't one that the military likes supposedly for feeding problems associated with it. So, we take what works and incorporate it into our designs.
 
I'd like to see a citizen's rifle Something you buy on your own to train with on your own. Simple birchwood stock, iron sights and 10 rd magazine. I'd like to see it chambered in someting like the .260 Remington and not weigh over 7.5 lbs.
 
Ryoushi, look at my design. It already has many of those features, if not all.
RecycledTape, even though this rifle is aesthetically based off of many tilt-bolt lacking rifles, the Lynx's action is based most off of the AK, and can accommodate cartridges from 7.62 NATO to 7.62x39mm in length.
Second, would it survive an ammo ban, even if it survivied "multiple" weapons bans?
That is an excellent point to bring up. That's why it's chambered in "enemy" (that is, U.S. military) cartridges.
that can accept a working Pedersen-type device to convert it to semi-auto.
I think that is an excellent idea! I will begin working on it. Expect it to be based mostly off the SMLE.
Otherwise something like what recycledtape mentions. Sell it as a single sheet of steel with a template. Let everyone make their own. This is why the open-bolt subgun is so nice. Pistol caliber ammo is relatively low pressure and the open bolt eliminates all that complex trigger stuff. Think of it as a modern take on the liberator pistol
I think I could do that. But it would have similarities to the modular version, just produced post-breakout.
 
TeeDub, check out the similarity between his drawing and an FN-49:

LynxCarbineRifle-1.jpg
fn49_2.jpg
 
Look, guys, I already told you that alot of the rifle is taken from other rifles, such is the way of the world. I think only Browning can seriously claim he wasn't influenced (heavily) by other makers' designs. For instance, the Garand has parts taken heavily from the French M1917.
Here's a list of all the rifles that influenced the Lynx Carbine heavily in development (some features of weapons, specifically the AK's, are internal. Others, as you have noticed, are external.):
-M1 Garand
-SVT-38 and -40
-AVS-36
-SKS
-Hakim
-AG-42 Ljungman
-Rashid
-Vz. 52 and 52/57
-SAFN-49
-M1 Carbine
-MAS-49
-Gewehr 41
-Gewehr 43
-Kbsp wz. 1938M
-Avtomat Kalashnikova
This list was developed when I started work on the project, before the first drawing of this rifle (but after the Forty-Niner, which was a near-copy of the FN-49) was ever produced.
So get off my back.
By the way, the largest resemblance in my rifle is to the Vz. 52 (action) and FN-49 (furniture). You'll find they almost exactly match. I did not plan it that way, it's just how the rifle turned out when I was finished with it. I took what I saw as the best parts and put them together. I did the insides first, then the outside. I'd always liked the FN's furniture, and I found the Vz.'s action to be an appropriate and simple design, though the internals of the Lynx's action are entirely different, far closer to an AK than any tilt-locker.
 
Ease up on Nolo guys...he's trying his best to come up with something new that we all can own. We've reached a point in small arms development where it's really hard to come up with something entirely new (and effective). It's mostly just recycling proven designs into new packages.


I say good job. Let me know if you ever get any of your designs into production.
 
Nolo,
Do you have more specs on how the insides of this thing work? I'd be interested in seeing other things you've incorporated into this design?
 
I've codesigned with him a format of internal mechanics, we're opting on an enfield bolt action with a different frontal locking system, a more simplified bolt, and a semi automatic bolt conversion.
 
Nolo, I like your rifle and I think your idea is correct on several levels.
Even is a new AW ban isn't put forwards in the immediate future, or is put forward but fails to pass, everyone knows that it will come up again and again. A rifle that is at least resistant to such foolishness makes a good line in the sand. If a weapon goes out of its way to be non-offensive to leftist eyes and weak nerves but they still seek to ban it, the last shred of the 'reasonable controls BS is cast aside. (certainly we all know that a limited ban isn't what they're after, but they do cling to that illusion. It would be nice to finally be able to pat the dirt over that one.)
I don't know why members have turned this into a 'guess which rifle it's based off of' contest. there is a long history of reusing good ideas in firearms design, as you've already pointed out. That said, I was glad to see that you appreciate some of the virtues of the VZ 52/57. I have one and like it a good deal.
All told, I think it's best to examine all of your options, and this idea is not a waste of time. Good job man.
The only thing I was thinking, is a convertable full-auto feature worth the bother? Ammo doesn't grow on trees for a citizen army, and most people (including me) don't have the training to control the satisfying brrrapp! of a auto rifle.
 
I've codesigned with him a format of internal mechanics, we're opting on an enfield bolt action with a different frontal locking system, a more simplified bolt, and a semi automatic bolt conversion.
Yeah, while I still have a place in my heart for the Lynx carbine, it's usefulness has been overshadowed by the aformentioned design. We're basically taking what Jason said and running with it. It's coming along quite nicely, I must say. It'll be very effective in the role it is being assigned.
The only thing I was thinking, is a convertable full-auto feature worth the bother? Ammo doesn't grow on trees for a citizen army, and most people (including me) don't have the training to control the satisfying brrrapp! of a auto rifle.
Yeah, it is. They're not for the average person, they're to stand in for SAW gunners in the militia force. Trust me, automatic is good (at least in limited quantities).
It's mostly just recycling proven designs into new packages.
I'm happy to say that I've thought of at least one new (and actually useful) design (actual action, not just a little bit of this and that) for SAWs and GPMGs that I think will be a significant
improvement. However, I have not worked out the details yet, so that's all I'll say of it.
Do you have more specs on how the insides of this thing work? I'd be interested in seeing other things you've incorporated into this design?
I do, in my head. I've only just now got my butt into gear actually blueprinting the insides of my designs, and the only design to receive a blueprint has been an assault rifle of mine.
I will, however, list off the important features:
-Gas-operated action
-Adjustable gas system
-Rotating bolt
-Replaceable magwell system, able to receive magwells in the 57.5mm, 63.5mm, 65.0mm and 70.0mm OALs.
-Replaceable bolt head system, able to receive bolt heads in the 9.6mm, 10.0mm, 10.7mm, 11.3mm and 12.0mm diameters.
-Quick-change barrel system, able to receive barrels in the 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, 6.5x39mm, 6.8x43mm, 6.5x42mm (prop), 7x43mm (prop) and 7.62x51mm calibers.
Replaceable stock system, designed to be securely bedded in an EBR-type stock in the event of a lift of AWBs or a conflict.
 
The new AWB has the M1 Carbine on it.

THE M1 CARBINE!
And now we see the value of the idea...
But the new AWB isn't expected to really go anywhere, not with recent events, right?
Plus... I mean, right now there are RECORD AR-15 owners.
I can hardly imagine them just lying down for such a ban.
 
It's not about lying down. It's about a Democratic Congress and what might be a Democratic president.
 
It's not about lying down. It's about a Democratic Congress and what might be a Democratic president.
To be quite blunt about it, none of those individuals are immune to bullets.
If you get us pissed enough, the fact that we have far more guns than they do will matter. Whether it's by shots fired, or the potential for shots to be fired.
Would they try legislation? Possibly. But they'd find that things wouldn't go very smoothly for them afterward, methinks.
 
Hey nolo, I totally love the idea. It shouldn't be limited to americans only. Think canada, europe, australia, south america, etc.

Here's a couple suggestions from me...

1. lose the upper forestock
2. sell it with a cheapo tasco scope mounted on it...makes it less assault weapon-ish
3. sell it with a tiny 3 round magazine.
 
Good ideas, Loomis. However, I have pretty much moved onto another design. But those ideas are still applicable there.
 
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