The F.B.I. Knocked on my door yesterday

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If I invite a Law person in. Would they then have total access to the whole house or just the entry room. Could I say you may come in to the entry way only. My understanding from the Supreme Court it is OK for Law persons to lie to you. So how do you know. You can't now expect them to always tell the truth.
 
Mainsail we are thinking on the same line, I would add, check the toilet tanks, any plumbing access panels, and in the basement (if you have one or the garage) and look up in the joist bays, is the space over walls and foundation created by the floor joists.

Being a contractor, one of the joys of dismantling places is the stuff you find.
 
They ( fbi/police) aren't always out to get *you*. They could be actually chasing a 'real' bad guy. I've heard that they do that, sometimes ;)

If they are investigating a crime that you may have unknowingly witnesses (or have other information), withholding it could be a bad thing.

We (well, some of us) complain they don't catch all the bad guys. Truly, we cannot so complain if we do all we can to make their jobs tough.
 
pete f said:
Mainsail we are thinking on the same line, I would add, check the toilet tanks, any plumbing access panels, and in the basement (if you have one or the garage) and look up in the joist bays, is the space over walls and foundation created by the floor joists.

Being a contractor, one of the joys of dismantling places is the stuff you find.
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When I was flying StarLifters I used to check the hotel rooms pretty thoroughly. I once found four $20 bills under the mattress. A couple years ago I found some semi-nudes in the recess above the kitchen cabinets of our condo.
 
If I invite a Law person in. Would they then have total access to the whole house or just the entry room. Could I say you may come in to the entry way only. My understanding from the Supreme Court it is OK for Law persons to lie to you. So how do you know. You can't now expect them to always tell the truth.
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An invitation into your home is not consent to search. However, what the officer sees in the areas you permit him access to can be used to build a criminal case against you.

The Supreme Court has ruled several times that lying about Fourth Amendment protections violates the concept of informed consent.

Example:
Officer: I want to come in and look around.

Homeowner: Can you do that?

Officer: Yeah, I can do that.

Homeowner: Don't you need a warrant?

Officer: No.
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If you give consent to search, you can limit the scope of the search and the areas the officer can search.
 
Not Even On Halloween

Costumed thugs are nothing new. No one gets in my home without a call that verifies they are who they say they are. Hell, e-mail me with the guy's photo attached and I'll meet him/them on the porch with a gun on my person and an iron gate between us.

BTW, ereo360: Why is it Bad Guys always have three (3) names?!

Take Care
 
Father Knows Best said:
I had an FBI agent come to my apartment once when I was in law school. He said he needed to talk to be about a friend of mine, who had gone to the Naval Academy and whom I knew was now an officer in the submarine program. I asked him for identifying information and told him I was going to call and verify it. He was polite and said he's wait. I didn't have the number of the FBI, so I called the city police main number and explained what was going on. They gave me the FBI local office number. I called that number and described the individual standing on my porch, and they verified he was who he claimed to be.

I advise my wife to follow the same procedure.
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I concur. That's the most rational way to go. Better than telling the guy, "Get the Hell of my property."
 
Best thing is to scream "You'll never take me alive" and run out a door they're not using. They like the exercise.
 
Whenever I have had contact with local LE I always talk to them on my front door step instead of in the house. I guess that makes me a little paranoid, but I don't like the idea of them in my house. The few federal LEO I have run into it was pretty easy to see they weren't you typical home invader. They were alway well dressed and very polite. I even shoot with one of them in at some of my local matches. If they said they were FBI and they looked like FBI I would probably let them in if it was winter and extremly cold out.
 
rick_reno said:
Best thing is to scream "You'll never take me alive" and run out a door they're not using. They like the exercise.
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I was think of tring that but my stupid DVD rack was blocking the other door. :D
 
I don't know, guys.

The FBI and LEOs are Public Servants trying to their jobs the best they can.

Those of you who won't even talk to them without an appointment make that pretty impossible. If they were searching for the BG who has your kid would you want people to open their doors and answer questions?

I understand the threat of home invasions. I carry every day (even when at home). But, I think we still must participate in society!

Just my opinion,
ChickenHawk
 
Molon Labe said:
Remember, do not let the JBTs intimidate you or control you. Stay in the driver's seat. Meet on your terms, not theirs.
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Now you are one ridiculously paranoid person, I wonder how many times you've went to jail? Do you realize that there are many times when law enforcement will ask around (aka, canvassing) to get information? And secondly, its much easier to behave as he did than go through the nonsense that you would have.

Why bother? You realize these guys were obviously working to get something done...You don't know how important it is, and if it wasn't important, they wouldn't be there.

We don't go around wasting our time talking to people for the heck of it...

Go drink your kool aid..and wear your tin foil hat...

chickenhawk said:
The FBI and LEOs are Public Servants trying to their jobs the best they can.
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blackdraggon said:
We (well, some of us) complain they don't catch all the bad guys. Truly, we cannot so complain if we do all we can to make their jobs tough.
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+1

Exactly...
 
I've had unanticipated dealings with law enforcement at my home twice. The first time, a couple of uniforms (with a marked squad car out front) rang my door late in the evening - when I answered, they politely asked if I owned a car parked across the street. (I didn't.) They asked if I knew who did. (Again, no.) They asked if I knew how long it had been there, or if I saw anyone with it. (About a week, and no.) They thanked me for my time and went on their way. Car was towed the next day.

The second time, I happened to be looking out the window and saw a squad car out front, with a uniformed officer walking down my driveway and then going around the side of my house. :confused:

So I went out, walked up behind him, and asked "Can I help you?"

I guess I scared him a bit, though it wasn't my intention, ;) but he took it good-naturedly and told he he'd had a complaint about a barking dog at my address, but could see it was actually the neighbor in back of my house with the barking dog. (Yards adjoin directly with no alley.)

He apologized for disturbing me, we chatted for a couple of minutes, and he went on his way . . . a few minutes later he was at the other home talking to Fido's owner.

In both instances, with a visible squad car and uniformed officers, I was pretty confident they were legit. If a NON-uniformed LEO comes by unexpectedly, I'm calling 911 to verify his bona fides - especially since there HAVE been instances here in TX of impersonaters causing trouble.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: Keep all local LEO agencies on speeddial. You cant use 911 to verify an officers lagitimacy.
 
The last well dressed guys who came knocking on my door and wantesd to talk to me with ID's around their necks were Jehovah's Witnesses I think ;)

Its funny, I once remember walking home down the country road he lived in with my brother from a day of hunting, and all of a sudden he urgently says "get in the bushes!" and pushes me off the road into some bushes going "get down!!!" We hunker down and there at the door were several well dressed individuals. I'm of course somewhat alarmed wondering what's up/what he's got himself into. I'm wondering FBI, ATF...he then whispers "its them damned Jehovah's Witnesses again!" hahaha

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Jehovah's Witnesses or whoever and have been known to chat with some of them at length in my day on a nice evening if I have nothing better to do (always letting them know up front I already have a religion that I'm not going to change), but it was just funny to see my rough/tough brother show such alarm--doubt he'd have been half as alarmed if it HAD been FBI or something haha
 
The local deputies will not come into your house unless invited (well, i suppose if they had a warrant or something that might be different). But I have basically had to insist that they come inside out of the cold the couple times that they have visited. Those visits were both related to my contacting them first. The only other time was when we still lived in town and a deputy came by because our dog was barking - as was every other dog in the neighborhood and it was only 8pm... :rolleyes: No big deal, I just brought the dog inside, but I think a neighbor had called us in because we had reported them a few days previously for their dog running loose and having a huge untreated wound:(

I'm not too worried as long as the New Orleans type confiscations don't get common all over the country. In that case I recommend that LEOs stay off my property :evil:

I am actually kind of surprised that the FBI or whoever was doing the investigation on our former neighbor never came by and talked to us during the whole affair - it just seems like they would have been looking for any additional information that might have been available...:confused:
 
I had one of these once.

A couple of police officers knocked on my door and i opened it.

I had my gun on.

But heres what made it ok for me.

When i opened the doors i said "HI! What can i do for you guys? I said it as bright and sickeningly chearful as i can. I think they both new that a guy acting like that wasn't about to go on a shooting spree. They relaxed and so did I.

They were looking for a previous owner too. They gave me a description and told me that the guys name was Bob and that he layed tile for a living. I shrugged, wrote that down, wished them a safe day and then I sent THEM on their way.

A pleasent experience over all.
 
Optical Serenity said:
Go drink your kool aid..and wear your tin foil hat...
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M-Rex said:
Hmm...yeah. Paranoid just about sums it up. Yes. I feel sorry for your family.
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Yep. Cops never masquerade undercover then call in the SWAT team who proceeds to shoot you dead even though you're at your own home, unarmed.

Yep, we're totally paranoid and delusional. :rolleyes:
 
I stick up for my rights, and do everything I can to protect myself and my family from rogue cops. And for this I am labeled a paranoid nutcase. :rolleyes:
 
Molon Labe - you really need to relax....:scrutiny:

Rouge Cops - how many have you encountered in your lifetime???

I have no problem with you wanting to protect your family - where do you live Baghdad....:what:


12-34hom
 
I had an FBI agent show up at my door many years ago. Didn't open up right away but asked him to put up his ID to the peep hole. Asked him to wait a minute while I verified with his office. Called the local FBI office (get the number yourself) and asked if they had an agent by that name and asked what he looked like. They indicated he was their head agent in charge and gave me a pretty good description. I let him in and apologized. He seemed a bit put-out but not terribly.

In any case, he just had some questions about a company I had done some contract work for and I never saw him again. I imagine that if he had had a warrant, I wouldn't really have been given the chance to verify his ID. No idea what might have happened then. I suppose if he had not been the person he presented himself as, he probably would have left when challenged or tried to bully or force his way in.
 
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