stickhauler
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That may well be a consideration in why he sought a lower priced firearm, truck and boat payments ain't cheap.
The Hi-Point Throwdown
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That may well be a consideration in why he sought a lower priced firearm, truck and boat payments ain't cheap.
valorius
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Most of the womenfolk in my family have .357 magnum Rugers loaded with 125gr Remington SJHP, the full power stuff- for exactly the reasons you outlined above. (and also because you can tell if one is loaded at a glance if there's any lighting at all).
christcorp
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It's nice when we know that all in all, most of us here are on the same page. What makes forums "Difficult"; whether it's a gun forum; ford mustang forum; computer equipment forum; college admissions forum; etc... is that forums are usually comprised of 90% geeks who are really into the subject matter as a hobby or major interest in their lives. If it's the mustang forum, they like working on their cars and spend a lot of time at it. For guns, they tend to shoot more often, have more than one gun, and have a deep interest. The other 10% of forum members, no matter the type of forum, came there because they have questions, concerns, problems, etc... They are simply looking for an answer. E.g. What type of gun should I buy for concealed or home. Once they find their answer, they don't spend much time there again. In the mustang forum: How do I replace the fuel tank sending unit. Once they've done it, they just go back to driving their car, and rarely show up at the forum again.
So, when we all chat on this forum and refer to the 3rd person; e.g. This guy at work, my brother, etc..., we have to determine if the needs of that person are strictly a gun they carry, shoot once a year, and clean once a month (or longer); or is it a person who will shoot 50-100 rounds a month, rotates different guns for different purposes, becomes proficient with their guns, etc... And the advice and opinions we give, need to keep that in mind.
My advice on getting and using a hi-point is not for everyone. As I said, the person who will never practice, keeps the gun in a drawer, and wants it only for home, I recommend revolvers. Matter of fact, if it's carry gun and they never practice, I recommend a revolver. If concealed is an issue, I don't recommend hi-point. If the person is into competition shooting, I don't recommend hi-point. But if a person says that they don't want a revolver, and they want something for home use in the night stand, then I have no problem recommending a hi-point. I don't however recommend keeping a round in the chamber. The hi-point is a true single action - striker fired pistol. I don't find the round in the chamber method very safe. But, for home defense, you have time. If you have time to get to the pistol, you have time to chamber a round. Concealed carry is different, but I don't normally recommend the hi-point for that. Then again, I don't carry my 1911A1 concealed, and ONLY carry my Sig P220 concealed in the coldest months when a lot of clothing on both the shooter and target are involved. And anyone paranoid enough to walk around their house with a pistol on them all the time, probably is the type who doesn't leave home without a pistol either. So they are in a different class of shooters.
Anyway, I think that's why there are so many disagreements on this forum. Not because we actually disagree, but rather because we are viewing the subject from different requirement and purposes of the individual. We have to keep in mind that what we use a gun for, may not be what another person uses a gun for. And while one person might ONLY EVER have a hi-point if they couldn't afford anything else, another might be able to afford ANYTHING imaginable, but wants a gun that they can keep stored in their garage, the drawer of the spare bedroom, or on their boat, or in their camping backpack. These are definitely scenarios where a hi-point over a glock, S&W, or springfield would make a lot of sense. Just because I can afford better, why would I WASTE my money on a $600-$800 gun, when a $150 gun will do EXACTLY 100% the same thing??? The hi-point definitely has it's place. And NOT just among those who can't afford anything else.
So, when we all chat on this forum and refer to the 3rd person; e.g. This guy at work, my brother, etc..., we have to determine if the needs of that person are strictly a gun they carry, shoot once a year, and clean once a month (or longer); or is it a person who will shoot 50-100 rounds a month, rotates different guns for different purposes, becomes proficient with their guns, etc... And the advice and opinions we give, need to keep that in mind.
My advice on getting and using a hi-point is not for everyone. As I said, the person who will never practice, keeps the gun in a drawer, and wants it only for home, I recommend revolvers. Matter of fact, if it's carry gun and they never practice, I recommend a revolver. If concealed is an issue, I don't recommend hi-point. If the person is into competition shooting, I don't recommend hi-point. But if a person says that they don't want a revolver, and they want something for home use in the night stand, then I have no problem recommending a hi-point. I don't however recommend keeping a round in the chamber. The hi-point is a true single action - striker fired pistol. I don't find the round in the chamber method very safe. But, for home defense, you have time. If you have time to get to the pistol, you have time to chamber a round. Concealed carry is different, but I don't normally recommend the hi-point for that. Then again, I don't carry my 1911A1 concealed, and ONLY carry my Sig P220 concealed in the coldest months when a lot of clothing on both the shooter and target are involved. And anyone paranoid enough to walk around their house with a pistol on them all the time, probably is the type who doesn't leave home without a pistol either. So they are in a different class of shooters.
Anyway, I think that's why there are so many disagreements on this forum. Not because we actually disagree, but rather because we are viewing the subject from different requirement and purposes of the individual. We have to keep in mind that what we use a gun for, may not be what another person uses a gun for. And while one person might ONLY EVER have a hi-point if they couldn't afford anything else, another might be able to afford ANYTHING imaginable, but wants a gun that they can keep stored in their garage, the drawer of the spare bedroom, or on their boat, or in their camping backpack. These are definitely scenarios where a hi-point over a glock, S&W, or springfield would make a lot of sense. Just because I can afford better, why would I WASTE my money on a $600-$800 gun, when a $150 gun will do EXACTLY 100% the same thing??? The hi-point definitely has it's place. And NOT just among those who can't afford anything else.
I do have better and won't be parting ways with my Hi-Point anyhow.
I just happen to like my Hi-Point, it's that simple.
contender
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Still wondering about the "throw-down" challenge that was in the first post of what has become 12 pages so far.
I've gone to the OP's listed site for up-dates and it appears that the "challenge" is either canceled or on the back burner as the last couple of entries have not been about the hi-point "throw-down" that has generated so much interest here.
i would guess the man is busy between work and other endevors......hopefully this "challenge" will continue...............if for no other reason than it is entertaining and inexpensive firearms rarely get much spotlight time in the gun rags or tv shows...
I've gone to the OP's listed site for up-dates and it appears that the "challenge" is either canceled or on the back burner as the last couple of entries have not been about the hi-point "throw-down" that has generated so much interest here.
i would guess the man is busy between work and other endevors......hopefully this "challenge" will continue...............if for no other reason than it is entertaining and inexpensive firearms rarely get much spotlight time in the gun rags or tv shows...
1911Tuner
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Me too, contender. I think we'll hear a somewhat grudging admission that there's a little more to the Hi-Point than just a cheap date with a pretty face. 
The truth is that most modern guns will do pretty well provided the crank at the bank has taken a little time to get to know his weapon, and has devoted a bit of trigger time to it in an honest attempt to see what it'll do in capable hands.
And as for Farmer Joe's shotgun...Joe's a farmer...not a gunfighter, and he has no interest in becoming one.
Joe bought the gun that fit his expected requirements. With his old Fox B, he can harvest Quail, Pheasant, Cottontails and Jacks as well as deer...and he can use it to keep the fox outta the henhouse, and the Cornatzer brothers outta the melon patch with the judicious application of a handful of rock salt. If need be, he can defend hearth and home with it pretty well, too. Not as well as with the Tactical Scattergun with extended tube and laser sights...but then again...Joe rarely has to face down any savage hordes out on the farm, and if he does...he's probably got a Garand and an old GI Colt stashed away somewhere.
The truth is that most modern guns will do pretty well provided the crank at the bank has taken a little time to get to know his weapon, and has devoted a bit of trigger time to it in an honest attempt to see what it'll do in capable hands.
And as for Farmer Joe's shotgun...Joe's a farmer...not a gunfighter, and he has no interest in becoming one.
Joe bought the gun that fit his expected requirements. With his old Fox B, he can harvest Quail, Pheasant, Cottontails and Jacks as well as deer...and he can use it to keep the fox outta the henhouse, and the Cornatzer brothers outta the melon patch with the judicious application of a handful of rock salt. If need be, he can defend hearth and home with it pretty well, too. Not as well as with the Tactical Scattergun with extended tube and laser sights...but then again...Joe rarely has to face down any savage hordes out on the farm, and if he does...he's probably got a Garand and an old GI Colt stashed away somewhere.
Maverick223
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Same here. I'd really like to see this get back to the testing and leave the conjecture for afterwards.
1911Tuner, you sure have an interesting opinion of a "pretty face".
yeah, I'm sure that's how he's saving money......
That's probobly the case with most of us Hi Point owners.
1911Tuner
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Hey...If that Hi-Point is all ya got when The Beast comes through the door, it'll be the most beautiful thing you ever laid eyes on.
That old Model 58 Smith out in the safe has a few warts on it, but ever since the day it saved my ol' skinny from a pack of feral dogs...it's been purtier'n the Mona Lisa.
Maverick223
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Very true. FWIW I always thought the Mona Lisa looked a bit masculine.
1911Tuner
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During the Rennaisance, she was the equivalent of Cindy Crawford and Sophie Marceau.
I read a lot of posts about how a Hi Point is..bulky, heavy and not
good for CCW at all.
Are you really sure its that bulky and heavy? Next time your in a
gun store see if you can compare a C9 to a Glock, XD or Sigma.
The C9 is almost identical to the Glock 36, which is a .45 but they
are the same size basically.
Here's some other pistol weights for sake of the argument.
Beretta 92 (34 oz)
Taurus 92 (34 oz)
Hi Point C9 (29 oz)
Glock 10mm 20 (27.7 oz)
To those guys who carry the Glock 10mm...the Hi Point is only
1.3 oz heavier
christcorp
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Bulky, doesn't necessarily mean heavy. Bulky, at least in my definition, also refers to balance. Remember, the C-9 is a poly frame, with a massive slide on it. "Designed, because the gun is a Blow-Back design and not lock-breech." That makes the gun a bit top-heavy. So carrying it and handling it is "Bulky". Feels like you are holding a Makita Hand Drill.
Yes, my Sig P220 45acp and Kimber 1911 are probably just as heavy and physically similar in size. But then again, I am not a fan of carrying my P220 unless it's winter, cold, and a lot of clothing on. (Both me and the target). It's easier to conceal the P220 then. And I definitely want the 45acp under those conditions.
But my #1 reason I don't conceal carry my C-9 isn't because of the weight, size, bulkiness, etc... It's because it's a True Single Action Striker Fire pistol. Basically, once you rack the slide and chamber a round, the firing pin is totally cocked under spring tension. Yes, there is a mechanical safety that affects the sear, but I don't carry the C-9 with one in the chamber. I can't decock it, and I don't trust anything mechanical 100%. I trust a decocked hammer, not a striker fire under full spring tension. Then again, I do the same with my AMT 380 backup. I don't carry one in the chamber of that either.
However, with enough practice and familiarization, there is nothing wrong with chambering a round when you need it. Yes, there are those that are afraid that having to chamber a round is just one more thing that can go wrong. Well, if a person doesn't know how to properly chamber a pistol, then that's their problem. If the gun can't chamber a round properly when done manually, then it probably will have problems when done after each round. I am quite confident in my abilities. After all, it's me who is going to save my life or not; not the pistol. Guns don't save people, people save people. And for what it's worth, on the rare occasions when I carry a 1911A1 or variant, I carry it with a round in the chamber and the hammer down.
So if you define bulky as weight and size only, then you are correct. If you can carry a 1911A1, P220, or similar size pistols, then carrying a Hi-Point C-9 isn't too difficult. (The 40 and 45acp however is a REAL Makita Drill. Very long handle). But my bulky issue is because it's so top heavy. Love the gun, just not a carry gun. And for me, the main carry issue is the striker fire single action issue. But I would carry it if needed; just not with one in the chamber. But then again, that's me.
Yes, my Sig P220 45acp and Kimber 1911 are probably just as heavy and physically similar in size. But then again, I am not a fan of carrying my P220 unless it's winter, cold, and a lot of clothing on. (Both me and the target). It's easier to conceal the P220 then. And I definitely want the 45acp under those conditions.
But my #1 reason I don't conceal carry my C-9 isn't because of the weight, size, bulkiness, etc... It's because it's a True Single Action Striker Fire pistol. Basically, once you rack the slide and chamber a round, the firing pin is totally cocked under spring tension. Yes, there is a mechanical safety that affects the sear, but I don't carry the C-9 with one in the chamber. I can't decock it, and I don't trust anything mechanical 100%. I trust a decocked hammer, not a striker fire under full spring tension. Then again, I do the same with my AMT 380 backup. I don't carry one in the chamber of that either.
However, with enough practice and familiarization, there is nothing wrong with chambering a round when you need it. Yes, there are those that are afraid that having to chamber a round is just one more thing that can go wrong. Well, if a person doesn't know how to properly chamber a pistol, then that's their problem. If the gun can't chamber a round properly when done manually, then it probably will have problems when done after each round. I am quite confident in my abilities. After all, it's me who is going to save my life or not; not the pistol. Guns don't save people, people save people. And for what it's worth, on the rare occasions when I carry a 1911A1 or variant, I carry it with a round in the chamber and the hammer down.
So if you define bulky as weight and size only, then you are correct. If you can carry a 1911A1, P220, or similar size pistols, then carrying a Hi-Point C-9 isn't too difficult. (The 40 and 45acp however is a REAL Makita Drill. Very long handle). But my bulky issue is because it's so top heavy. Love the gun, just not a carry gun. And for me, the main carry issue is the striker fire single action issue. But I would carry it if needed; just not with one in the chamber. But then again, that's me.
valorius
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I agree with Christcorp that the ergonomics of the Hi Point C9 make it feel very bulky even beyond it's actual weight and dimensions.
Also, i do not think i would consider a M9 Beretta to be a good CCW choice either. It's a very large pistol.
Also, i do not think i would consider a M9 Beretta to be a good CCW choice either. It's a very large pistol.
I owned a hi-point C9 for a while. It did exactly what it was designed to do and that's that. If you don't own a gun go buy one right now.
On a side note I found it to be an ugly piece of crap regardless of how well it worked so I traded it in on a ugly Glock 19 which I like much better.
On a side note I found it to be an ugly piece of crap regardless of how well it worked so I traded it in on a ugly Glock 19 which I like much better.
Dionysusigma
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Still waiting on the next update.
Maverick223
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Over two weeks and no update...or reply of any kind...I think i'm going to forget about this thread/test just like Justin.
Readyrod
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Check here folks: http://multigun.wordpress.com/. He is updating on his blog.
CajunBass
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You know. The guy may actually have a life.
Dionysusigma
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... which he hasn't updated in a week, and even then it wasn't related.
LIES!CajunBass said:
Maverick223
Member
That may be, but i'd rather not squander mine sorting through dozens of replies with only conjecture and arguments about the merits and detriments of the platform only to determine that there has been no update. I think it is clear that he has abandoned the test, both here and on his blog. Can't say I blame him, he's probably tired of sorting through the replies too.
valorius
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I'm guessing that with 7,165 posts here, you've squandered quite a lot of your life doing just that Maverick.
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