This is not a direct quote from Hickock 45, but it is the general principal. He said something to the effect that if you took a 1911 and dehoned it, took off the safetys, lightened it up by 30%, and doubled the capacity, you would have the perfect 1911 otherwise known as a glock. Now those of you who know who he is know he has plenty of 1911's wilsons, nighthawks, Baers etc, along with every pistol and rifle I can think of from AK's to black powder, and he shoots them all. He carries a glock. Why, because it works all the time requires very little maintenence and is very accurate in the right hands, go look at his videos and tell me your not impressed with a man in his 60's shooting targets out to 80 yards, that's 230 ft, with a 26 and 27. He even shoots them past 100 yards in a few, and he hits just about everything he aims at. So go take a look, you may see something you may find interesting. I am a fan, and learned a lot from watching him, like extensions are not necessary, and are not effective. Now if a 6'8" fella well into his 60's can get his hans on a 27 and shoot like that, then we all should. Ain't no substitute for practice. He also shows trigger control, hand and arm position, and stance, along with foot position etc. go get some
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yeti
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Yeah, great, opinions, Hickock's or anyone else's are, you know, just like...
No matter Gaston says, nothing made or designed by humans is "Perfection."
If Glocks weren't so blocky, with a halfway decent trigger, and came with decent sights, and could be fully decocked with a chambered =round, you would have a half way decent pistol otherwise called a Sig.
And maybe it's just my opinion but in a perfect world 80 yards would equal 240 feet...
just sayin'
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No matter Gaston says, nothing made or designed by humans is "Perfection."
If Glocks weren't so blocky, with a halfway decent trigger, and came with decent sights, and could be fully decocked with a chambered =round, you would have a half way decent pistol otherwise called a Sig.
And maybe it's just my opinion but in a perfect world 80 yards would equal 240 feet...
just sayin'...
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Hickok45 also stated that he has A LOT of trigger time on various pistols, and that's the primary reason why he shoots so well.
For many, trigger time is king. An experienced shooter will take any pistol and shoot better than most average shooter.
I do not believe the perfect 1911 exists as people's wants/desires are different like why there are so many car models.
Some like Chevy/Ford, some like Porsche/Ferrari, some like Honda/Toyota and some even like Hyundai!
For many, trigger time is king. An experienced shooter will take any pistol and shoot better than most average shooter.
I do not believe the perfect 1911 exists as people's wants/desires are different like why there are so many car models.
Some like Chevy/Ford, some like Porsche/Ferrari, some like Honda/Toyota and some even like Hyundai!
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Sorry, Glock triggers will never be the equal of a 1911/2011. There is a reason 1911/2011's dominate the IPSC/USPSA limited and open divisions and Glocks, while competative do not. Glocks do well in IPDA SSP and USPSA production division, but single action 1911/2011's are not allowed in those divisions.
Glocks are a good service / concealed pistols, but lets not pretend like they are the epitomy of handgun manufacturing.
As far as hitting targets at a 100 yards, I have seen a individual do the exact same thing with a 1911.
Glocks are a good service / concealed pistols, but lets not pretend like they are the epitomy of handgun manufacturing.
As far as hitting targets at a 100 yards, I have seen a individual do the exact same thing with a 1911.
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Hickock forgot to mention the difference that broke the tie for me. THE TRIGGER.
ForumSurfer
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Sums it up.
It's all about preference. I own 1911's and a glock. I like the glock for what it is, but I don't find it more superior or more reliable than any other handgun I own. Granted, none of mine play in the sandbox or mud. The most severe duty they will ever see will be some dust, dirt, sweat, rain, water or pocket lint.
Prion
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So true.
Though only a poorly advertising slogan that some people are gullible enough to believe, it bothers me because it's a lie and an immature, egocentric and materialistic view of man's place in the world.
I'd buy one despite the absurd claim because they are great guns, just not "Perfection".
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I recently shot an old FM Hi Power at 135 yards to see what I could do and got reasonable hits - four hits for six shots. I'm no Hickok45, but any reasonable handgun (or reasonable shooter) should be capable of hitting a gong at long range once you get the hold figured out. Somebody dumped an old barrel out where I shoot, so I'll be making use of it now with some other guns.
People just don't test themselves anymore. I see posts on this forum where people display a photo of a group the size of a hat at 20 feet or so, and people all chime in about this being great shooting. Come on folks!
People just don't test themselves anymore. I see posts on this forum where people display a photo of a group the size of a hat at 20 feet or so, and people all chime in about this being great shooting. Come on folks!
Zerodefect
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Hickock's cool. No agenda, just fun with guns.
My Glocks has it's days, so do my 1911's. Each has a certain CCW purpose and nearly opposite + and -'s.
My Glocks has it's days, so do my 1911's. Each has a certain CCW purpose and nearly opposite + and -'s.
Hickock is one of the few people I can stand to watch on YouTube. In fact, I like watching his videos. He has a relaxed, no BS manner about him.
Uh ... I have no problem hitting child-sized targets at 150 yards with my 1911 and I'm sure that Hickock is a whole lot better than me. A US Olympic shooter used my 1911 to hit the same targets at 250 yards just a few weeks ago. It took him one shot to figure out the holdover and then it was bang, drop, bang, drop, bang, drop ... you get the idea.
Philo_Beddoe said:
Uh ... I have no problem hitting child-sized targets at 150 yards with my 1911 and I'm sure that Hickock is a whole lot better than me. A US Olympic shooter used my 1911 to hit the same targets at 250 yards just a few weeks ago. It took him one shot to figure out the holdover and then it was bang, drop, bang, drop, bang, drop ... you get the idea.
Let me get my shields down, I have a 1911 also, I just thought it was an interesting analogy. I would also like the choice of a 1911 type safety on my carry weapon, but I guess Glock has a reason they won't do it. And I agree with the trigger comments.
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Ideal Combat Handgun:
H&K P30's grip
FN FNP 9's Safety/Decocker
Custom 1911 quality adjustable trigger
Sig P250's capacity
CZ 75's slide design
Glock internals (including trigger disconnect safety)
Polymer frame w/ front rail
Threaded barrel
All metal parts coated in nickel boron (requires no lubrication!)
All exterior metal surfaces coated with plenty of duracoat.
There, my ideal combat handgun, someone please make this!
H&K P30's grip
FN FNP 9's Safety/Decocker
Custom 1911 quality adjustable trigger
Sig P250's capacity
CZ 75's slide design
Glock internals (including trigger disconnect safety)
Polymer frame w/ front rail
Threaded barrel
All metal parts coated in nickel boron (requires no lubrication!)
All exterior metal surfaces coated with plenty of duracoat.
There, my ideal combat handgun, someone please make this!
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I wonder if a .380 would be enough gun if attacked by Malaysian little folks?
TimboKhan
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This is a prime example of trying to argue that it is the tool, not the user, that makes the difference. Hickock45 can probably shoot most anything well, regardless of what the trigger does, what the gun is made of, what position Jupiter was in at the dawning of the age of Aquarius, or whatever else you might argue.
The guy has shot pistols. A whole lot. For a long time. That's pretty much the end of the story for me. People can whine about grip angles and triggers and whatever else all they want, but at the end of the day if you have the experience, you can overcome those minor little things with very little, if any, trouble.
The guy has shot pistols. A whole lot. For a long time. That's pretty much the end of the story for me. People can whine about grip angles and triggers and whatever else all they want, but at the end of the day if you have the experience, you can overcome those minor little things with very little, if any, trouble.
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A sniper in Malaysia probably uses a WSM, and for human wave attacks nothing would work better than a GE Mini Gun.
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Do you realize that Hickok45 has a personal range that is just beyond his back porch? Lucky dude.
Maybe some day ...
GoodKat, if someone made such a pistol, that would be awesome! Until then, I play with my M&P.
Maybe some day ...
GoodKat, if someone made such a pistol, that would be awesome! Until then, I play with my M&P.
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Hickok45 is a cool cat, but I think you're getting carried away about his arsenal. All I've ever seen handgun wise is a Kobra Carry, a buncha Blocks, and some S&W wheel guns. No Baers, Wilsons or Nighthawks.
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