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Thinking about dumping .45acp for 10mm~

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Tropical Z, Mar 23, 2003.

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  1. Tropical Z

    Tropical Z Member

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    Lets face it,even good loads for .45acp arent any better statistically than .40S&W or good 9mm loadings and most are weaker.I own 3 .45's and the lure of the 10mm is irresistable.If i decide to dump .45,ill most likely head straight to a witness.Good 10mm loadings are much nicer than any of the above three.The only drawback to 10mm as far as i can see is common availability.The stores around me rarely stock it.Im not bashing .45acp but power is power as far as im concerned and the 45 just doesnt cut it.:scrutiny:
     
  2. Cal4D4

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    I don't know where you live, here in Kali the gun is unavailable, but if you have generally liked the 1911 platform for your .45 delivery, look into the Dan Wesson Razorback for your 10mm. The ONLY significant drawback to the 10mm is the limited availability of quality launching platforms. I have Glock G29, G20 and S&W 1076 and still wish I had it in a 1911 style pistol. Glock triggers are, well, Glock triggers and the 1076 is a DA style, like the Witness. For ammo - I reload to my tastes - search the 10 Ring on GlockTalk. Several very interesting sources like Georgia Arms and I believe Texas Arms. Great caliber, good shooting.
     
  3. TarpleyG

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    Why would you do that? Ammo is more expensive and not as readily available. If you're just itchin' for a change, change to something more prevalant.

    GT
     
  4. Porter Rockwell

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    .45acp Not Enough?

    Hello, todays selection sir will include several old and new variations of the high pressure magnum level.45acp.
    .451 Detonics
    .45 Super
    .450 SMC
    .460 Rowland
    All these cartridges are capable of equaling and surpassing the 10mm.
    Best!
     
  5. Lone_Gunman

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    quote:

    "Lets face it,even good loads for .45acp arent any better statistically than .40S&W or good 9mm loadings"


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    Statistics don't kill people; people kill people.
     
  6. 10-Ring

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    I can see having both, but not exclusively the 10 mm. If you have 1911's, maybe just a 10mm conversion kit is all you need.
     
  7. Cal4D4

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    All the calibers listed by Porter Rockwell can do anything the 10mm or any pistol round can do. Their biggest downside is their biggest benefit. They are very high pressure cartridges that are pretty much interchangeable with the low pressure .45 acp round. Their brass is also close to indistinguishable, sometimes only by headstamp. Stock .45 acp brass should not be loaded up to .45 Super pressures, and hot .45 Super or .45 SMC should not be fired in a pistol set up for standard .45 acp.

    It is a good thing that 35,000 psi+ nuclear loads only fit in a gun set up for 35,000 psi+ nuclear loads.
     
  8. CZF

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    LOL! All these guys talkin up the .45 super- duper rounds.,
    i know of no gunshop that carries such around here.

    They are all "Experimental" to me. No LE agency uses them..as
    opposed to the MIGHTY 10mm that is carried by quite a few.

    I overlooked the 10mm for many a year. Boy, was i wrong!
    The TEN in the CZ75 platform is the Ultimate for me.

    A police proven caliber in a super reliable design..

    It is easy to reload for..from Mild to Wild..whatever you
    wish. According to close friends and many a veteran user
    of Magnum calibers. The TEN kills as well as any 41 or .44
    on deer sized game.

    If only there were more guns chambered for it.

    Awesome Power, Accuracy and great Ergonomics...10 X 10mm YUM YUM!

    Good luck with your purchase of the 10mm Witness!
     

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    Think about this Tropical Z ole' buddy. Hi-Point doesn't make a pistol in 10mm! :D
     
  10. DeltaElite

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    I wouldn't dump the 45acp, it is a fine combat round.
    The 10mm is wonderful in it's own right.
    Get both and have fun.

    As for all the 45super duper loads... talk about obscure cartridges, they are the ultimate in obscure loads. ;)
     
  11. Min

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    Dump both the 10mm and .45 ACP.

    I say dump the 10mm ONLY because of limited choice of guns.

    I'm going with .357 Sig. Lots of power, and lots of guns chambered for this round.
     
  12. 12-34hom

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    450smc

    Delta, Tritons 450smc is an excellent overall round for weapons chambered in 45acp.

    A recoil and firing pin change is all that's required to fire this ammo thru any modern 45acp chambered weapon.

    12-34hom.
     
  13. DeltaElite

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    12-34hom,
    They sure are. The very reason I got a G21C. :D
    Just the one source, compared to 10mm though.

    What can I say, I like the 41magnum also. :D
     
  14. Stevie-Ray

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    I think everybody should get into 10mm. Sorry but I've been into it since 1989 and a resurgence of interest might bring about a change in ammo maker's minds. Hmmm.......back to the days when practically everybody had a decent load for it. I'm for that.

    Just don't always have the time to reload, and it's sometimes hard to find quality ammunition.
     
  15. stans

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    10mm is definitely a great round and has accuracy potential. Everyone is saying how great the 45 Super, .460 Rowland, etc. are, but the 10mm enjoys a better ballistic coeffiecient, which means flatter trajectories in the 10. In standard length 1911 magazines, the 10 enjoys the advantage of one extra round. Due to its length being equal to 45 ACP, but smaller in diameter, it tends to feed well in the 1911. In fact, mine feeds so well that I can load up all 3 Colt magazines with empties and cycle them through my Delta Elite! I wish there were some 10 round magazines available, Metalform is supposedly designing them and they are supposed to be only about 1/2 longer than standard magazines.
     
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    MY TAKE

    IMNSHO the 10mm is a decent all-around I-only-got-one-gun cartridge, about on par with the 357, except slightly more potent on deer. Maybe.
    About the same as a defense round when loaded to successful 40 S&W levels.

    Just a hobby cartridge.

    Limited platforms, limited commercial ammo (Pro Load, Cor-Bon, Georgia Arms), limited performance compromise.
    Unless you just gotta have a 357 auto..........

    Mqaybe I'll return
    with a Witness.

    Apple on head :evil:
     
  17. Bacchus

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    What options are there for a 10mm conversion unit for the 1911 platform? And what magazines are used?
     
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    9mm and .357sig=light & fast
    .45= SLOW and heavy
    10mm- HEAVY AND FAST!
    Enough said.
    -Mike
     
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    Yes, I would agree, but if I may respectfully make a slight correction -

    9mm = light and fast
    .357 Sig = light and warp factor 9 Scotty!
     
  20. CZ-75

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    Some reason why calibers are mutually exclusive?

    Will you turn into a pumpkin if you have both 10mm and .45?

    I see this is an opportunity to broaden your horizons.

    I like beer, but see no reason to give it up because I also like wine.
     
  21. Cal4D4

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    Bacchus:

    I was hoping you would get some other reply for both of us, but here is my take on it. People get .40 S&W Kimbers or ?, respring them and either get the chamber reamed or add a custom Barsto or other aftermarket barrel. Mags are Wilson? or someone's originally intended for the Delta Elites. The DW Razorback doesn't use the MIM parts, using real tool steel for the real wear point parts. At $800 or so it would be a nice quality start at the same price as the base gun if you built it up yourself. And tool steel parts. Can anyone flesh this out a bit?
     
  22. DeltaElite

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    357Sig is still slower than 10mm. :neener:
    155@1400, 135@1500 :D

    45acp 185@1150. The 40sw can't touch that.
     
  23. cratz2

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    Now I've never been one to bad mouth the 10mm, but since were talking statistics... what 10mm round exceeds a 96% on shot stop? 45ACP, 9mm and 40S&W all have at least one round at this rating, not that I give much credence to the M&S percentages.

    I like the 10mm and would love to have a Delta Elite Gold Cup or even a Glock 20 or 29, but talking statistics isn't the 10mm's strong suit.
     
  24. Longbow

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    How 'bout .45 Glock? :D
     
  25. Ian11

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    My Statement about 10mm/.357 SIG

    Is it just me or do fans of the .357 SIG and 10mm seem to act as though they have the be all end all of defensive handguns these days? That the stopping power (or "one shot stop" whatever that means) gap between these rounds and the .45, .40, and 9mm is wide enough worth endless discussion.

    What happened to the common wisdom that handguns from the lowly .22 lr up to .44 Magnum are generally poor stoppers? Did I miss something or are these the "magic bullets" we were waiting for? From all the ballistic mumbo jumbo they throw at us you'd think they squeezed the power of a shotgun or rifle into a handgun. I'm not trying to pick a fight. The 10mm and .357 SIG rounds are great in their own ways and I've had my eye on a SIG P229 .357 SIG or Glock 20 for my future. But I just don't want any illusions about them. This kind of overconfidence in what a handgun round can do can only be bad.

    It is mostly the shooter not the gun.

    So for all of you new to handguns. Choose you defensive handgun wisely. Pick a handgun you can effective with. Pick a handgun thats reliable and that you are reliable with. If its a 9mm or .38 Spl. revolver. Go with it. You are as well armed with a handgun as you can be. If you need more, get to that shotgun or rifle.:barf:
     
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