True Story: Shoot or not? I didn't.

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evan price

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I posted this on OHIOCCW forums a couple weeks ago. Read this, and decide if anyone else would have shot the guy.


(Note: Minor details and specifics are withheld or altered because I want to preserve some anonymity. The story as told is correct, however)

My hobby is tinkering with cars, trucks ,tractors, machines, etc. As a result I tend to accumulate odd items around my property. Then Mrs. Price decides it's time to clean house.
The fall cleanup effort had yielded a few extra cars that were cluttering up the back 40 and I decided time had come to abandon the projects before the mice ate them up. I listed the cars for sale on an on-line listing and waited for calls. Sold a couple. The last one was lingering.
I got a call from a dude I'll call "D" this week. "D" told me he had seen the pictures of the car and was very interested in buying it. The car had a lot of nice features and some expensive equipment added to it. I was letting it go cheap basically to just recover what I had in it. "D" made me an offer on the car that was about $100 less than my minimum. Normally I discourage any sort of negotiations before the buyer sees and checks out the car. I offered to split the difference, meaning he'd go up $50 and I'd go down $50. He balked, he said he was selling his car to get the money to buy this bigger car and all he had was what he was getting for selling that car. We dickered around for a few minutes before he finally agreed to split the difference again, meaning, he'd pay $25 more and I'd drop $75. Well, I really wanted the car sold, so I agreed. I asked when he would want to come buy and finish the deal. He told me that he had sold his car and had no way to get to my house to look at my car. He wanted me to bring my car by his house. I refused (I don't do that.) He offered me $20 in gas money. Since I really wanted to sell the car I agreed, but only if we met someplace public. He wanted again for me to go to his house. I refused. He offered a business nearby. Then he mentioned he had a second car that needed mechanical work, a newer car that was still worth a lot of money if it had the engine replaced. Did I want to trade my car and some cash for his newer car? I said I would consider it. We set a time and that was that.

Now, the problem I had was, the guy was so tight on money he wouldn't cough up another $25 to buy the car. But out of the blue he offers $20 gas money? And he wants to meet at his house. Hmm...

Next morning I got home from work, loaded the car on my race car trailer, hooked up the truck, and put my Glock 21 loaded with 15 rds of .45 Winchester SXT hollow points on my hip. A spare 15-rd mag was on other hip. (Plus 2 mag extenders) A long grey hoody sweatshirt that zips in the front covers the Glock.

As I drive down there the guy calls me. And calls me. Again and again. He called me 5 times in an hour, always asking where I was, how soon till I got there, etc. Hmm, again.

I got down to where the meet was to go down, the Hilltop area of West side Columbus. I know it's not the best side of town. I know the area.
As I got down there, the guy calls again, and wants to know how soon I'll be there. He casually mentions he had sold his car to a guy that morning and was waiting on me to get there to finish the deal, so he would have money to pay for MY car. Another alarm. No money?

So I decided then and there to change the location of the meet to a commercial business I was driving past. I pulled in and told him since he still had his other car that ran, he no longer needed to be in walking distance from his house. We were meeting where I said. He said he would be there in a few minutes.

While waiting, I see a guy in a pickup truck pull in to the lot. He drives slowly past me, then pulls up to another car sitting by the road for sale. He looks that car over, sits a few minutes, and leaves.

Not long after here comes "D" with his girlfriend and a homey in his car. "D" and I talk, he and I test drive my car, then we get back. He says it's what he wants. He wants to buy. Problem is, since the other guy hasn't bought his car, he has to get the money from him when he sells the car. It would take half an hour or so to arrange, and did I want to go to his place to wait while he got it done? I said, No, I'll get some lunch from the fast food place in the parking lot. "D" says, No, I'll get my girlfriend to make lunch, come by and we'll kick back and wait. Again, I refused. Finally he left.

Eat lunch. Get a phone call from "D". He says the guy buying HIS car is not at home and that guys girl says he'll be back at 2pm. That's when the deal will be done. I'm annoyed about how the whole deal is shaping up. "D" asks, can his father look the car over? He's a mechanic, and he wants to make sure the engine is in good shape. I reluctantly agree.

About 2pm "D" shows back up. Then a guy drives up in a truck. It's "D"'s dad. Problem is, it's the same guy and same truck that was cruising around earlier that morning when I got there...!!!

"D" and his dad talk quietly. "D"'s girl and homey walk over to the car I am selling and hang out. "D" comes back over to the car. "D"'s dad walks over and looks the car over a little. Then "D" starts asking me questions, how much MPG does the car get, when the last oil change was, etc. I see "D"'s dad go over to his truck.
I saw him pull a claw hammer out of the truck.
"D" keeps asking questions and moves to the car, drawing me over to him. "D"s dad comes up with the hammer in his hand, at his side. I step back away from the car, and "D"'s dad chokes his hand up on the hammer, holding it at an angle against his leg.
"What are you doing with the hammer?" I ask.
"D"'s dad tells me he is going to "look for Bondo" and takes a step closer to me. He is now about 6-8 feet from me. "D" is behind me. "D"'s homey and girfriend are between me and the truck.
"D"'s dad moves his right arm back slightly and takes another step forward towards me, telling me it's a normal thing to do to look for Bondo by tapping on the bottoms of the fenders or quarter panels with the hammer.
I tell "D"'s dad, that he isn't touching MY car with any damn hammer. "D"'s dad stops about 4-5 feet from me, looks over my shoulder, and says, "Get away from that man's truck!" in a loud voice.
I knew where "D" was. I knew where "D"'s dad was. I could see the girlfriend out of the corner of my eye but didn't know where "D"'s homey was. I figured since I had locked the truck anyway out of habit, I had nothing to worry about, and this was a trick to get me to turn my head.
I stepped instead to "D"'s dad's left about two big steps, opening up space. I unzipped the hoody and let the right side swing back clearing the holster.
I could now see there was nobody by my truck, "D"'s homey was over by their car. "D"'s dad had been trying to get the drop on me.
I put up my left hand pointing at him, right side holding the hoody back from the holster, not quite gripping the Glock, and I told the dad, that I didn't know what the **** he thought he was going to do but he better take his hammer and get the **** out of here. "D"'s dad gives me a sick smile, says, "Hey, I don't want no trouble," and goes back to his truck, and leaves.
"D" gets upset and tells me he still wants to buy the car but the other guy still had to give him his money, did I want to go to his place to look at the other car? I said no. He asks if I need help getting my car on the trailer. I said no thanks. "D" and his girl & homey leave in his car. I load my car up on the trailer and beat it.

This was one of those time I was mad at myself, because this isn't the first car I've sold. It's not the first time dealing with questionable people in questionable places. I was mad because from the first time I talked to "D" that little voice in the back of my head said the deal was bad from the start; I am glad I listened. Don't know what might have happened without the CCW, but I am glad (once again) that I had it.
I still haven't told my wife all the details of this because I don't want to worry her; as far as she knows the deal just didn't work out. It's not the first hairy situation I've been in and I'm sure it won't be the last.
 
You waited through a hell of a lot of crap, man.

At least you listened to the voice a little.

No, you shouldn't have shot; you shouldn't have got that far. Glad you made it out w/out legal troubles or injury.

J
 
I assume you had the guys phone # and address? Odd...seems like he would want to keep that info to himself if his goal was to club you and take your truck or car or both.....

Seems to me like you handled it very nicely.....once they got wind that you were armed, they decided they had other things to do......
 
Many warning signs which you ignored !! ...You can't wait till they're close ,it takes too long to react !
 
Shoot, no, but I think I would have drawn since "D's Daddy" was within striking distance of you.

Sounds like you'll listen to the little voice sooner next time.

Glad it worked out ok, but take a buddy next time. Makes everything easier.
 
I think you handled the end part (with the hammer) pretty well. But as others mentioned, I hope I would have listened to that little voice long before that point. I have no problem telling someone to stick it or let them get mad because I won't do what they want -- especially for a stranger.

Also, it's ALWAYS a good idea to take a friend (preferably armed) or two to a meeting with someone you don't know.

Glad you are okay.
 
I know you wanted to get rid of your car. But they were the ones interested in buying so they should have met up with you at your convenience (time and place) and not the other way around. Any time, somone sounds iffy... normally means your wasting your time or is up to something.

And you did good by not shooting them down even though I think they deserved it. I assume from what I read that they did not see your gun (that they only assumed you were armed by the way you were reaching into your hoody), so thats another plus since you don't want people to know you are armed.
 
if someone is really interested in your car, they'll find a way to get there to check it out. although, i think it's good you didn't shoot or even draw, it could have caused more harm than good. i think you did ok considering the situation. i must say, you do have good situational awareness.
 
You lucked out this time...

...best go with your instincts (little voice) from now on. You handled it correctly though.
It sounds like what "D's dad" needs is to have that hammer placed into his person where the sun don't shine for sure, but as it turned out you didn't have to shoot so it's best all around that you didn't. Remember the saying that often times just the presence of a firearm will stop an attacker (or would be attacker) in his tracks. This incident is a good example of that.
 
Also, it's ALWAYS a good idea to take a friend (preferably armed) or two to a meeting with someone you don't know.
Yep ... $10 says thats what "homie" was there for.

So after the fact did you talk to the police?
 
Deserved it?

Umm.... based upon what precisely?
The fact they planned to murder him and steal his car along with whatever money he had?

Should have called the cops, I'm guessing they already know these guys. Probably a pre-paid cellphone and a phoney address, but you should have gotten their license plates and contacted the police with the story.
 
All that and you didn't call the police?

Maybe nothing could be done to them but at least a report could be filed for the NEXT time they do something stupid.

You handled it well went it finally went down, but as other posters said........if it were me it wouldn't have gotten that far.

I had a similar situation once after my Dad passed and my Mom wanted to sell an old farm truck he had sitting around. I went to our local salvage yard to talk to the owner and an acquaintance of ours to see if he'd take the truck for a few bucks. He wasn't there and while I was waiting a few guys who help the owner out there asked me why I was waiting. I explained I wanted to get rid of the truck. They acted genuinely interested and asked a few questions and attempted to make some deals. They were not fellows I would normally associate with and I was cautious from the beginning........once they started pressing where the truck was and that they wanted to come and see it, etc. I started to end the conversation.

When one guy persisted about coming to our place to inspect the truck I told him no that I would bring it to the yard because I wouldn't have time to be home to meet him (trying to be polite)......he then got a bit more "forceful" and basically TOLD me he would come and look at it when I wasn't there to save time. He was being abrasive, had a weird look on his face and promptly received a "What the F*** did I just say......you aren't coming to my house to look at the truck."

That ended the problem. I don't have much patience when it comes to things like that.

iamhistory
 
sicario103:
And you did good by not shooting them down even though I think they deserved it.

meef:
Deserved it?

Umm.... based upon what precisely?

carpettbaggerr:
The fact they planned to murder him and steal his car along with whatever money he had?
carpettbaggerr, I don't know about you, but based on the scenario described I'm not sure whether they had murder in mind or not. Stealing the car seems pretty much a given.

At any rate, I would advise those who read such things on these boards to learn the responsibilities they have both under the law and as human beings.

As a civilian, you DON'T shoot somebody because of what it appears they may plan on doing. If you DO shoot somebody, it's in defense of your life or another, or to prevent the infliction of grave bodily harm upon whoever you are defending.

That's it. Zip. There are no other reasons for shooting somebody. None.

Seeing as how evan price didn't shoot anybody, and suffered no harm in the encounter, it's pretty evident he didn't have to. He handled it correctly based upon the outcome.

The first time you feel like you might be in danger and pull the trigger "just in case" - will be the last time. You can bet your freedom and fortune on that. Actually, you will have.

To state that the other parties involved in this situation deserved shooting because of what they were thinking about doing or attempting to do is irresponsible beyond description. In my opinion, anybody who seriously believes such action is justified shouldn't be allowed the right to carry a firearm.
 
Probably would have called the police afterwards.

I think the cops would have known them--by reputation at least.

From the story, it sounds like maybe they've done this before...
 
Well, meef, the 'dad' was going to hit him with a claw hammer. If he hadn't planned on murder I believe he would have chosen a less-lethal implement -- a blackjack or even a 2x4. Hit someone hard enough to knock them out with a claw hammer, and it would only be luck if they didn't die. Of course, the [attempted] hijackers might not have known that.

And they may have just been dumb and really been checking for bondo with a hammer instead of a magnet. Yeah, sure.

To state that the other parties involved in this situation deserved shooting because of what they were thinking about doing or attempting to do is irresponsible beyond description. In my opinion, anybody who seriously believes such action is justified shouldn't be allowed the right to carry a firearm.
These people planned to seriously injure or kill evan, in order to steal from him. If the 'dad' had cocked back and begun to swing the hammer, evan would have been justified in shooting.

It sounds like the hijackers have done this before, and probably will try it again, perhaps on a less aware person who will be killed or crippled by their attack.

There's a difference between deserved and justified. They deserved shooting, but evan wasn't legally justified to shoot them. Get the distinction?
 
I sort of agree with carpettbaggerr, a claw hammer isn't going to be good for your skull, and they probably knew that.

Glad you got out alright, without having to fire.
 
I agree that you should have called the police and reported the incident.

People like that know how to work the system and YOU are very fortunate that they didn't call the police and report that YOU had drawn down on them when they wouldn't meet your price. There would have been four of them swearing to it, against only your word.

Regardless of the fact that the local police may have known them and their probable reputation(s), THEY would have been the complainants, and at the very least, could have earned you an impound and a trip downtown, a call to your attorney, and a helluva lot of hassle to straighten things out.

Anyways, glad it "worked out" and no one was hurt or killed.

Sam
 
If you DO shoot somebody, it's in defense of your life or another, or to prevent the infliction of grave bodily harm upon whoever you are defending.

That's it. Zip. There are no other reasons for shooting somebody. None.

Unless it's someone trying to steal your property at night in Texas.:evil:
 
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