I believe it was also an SVU episode where an attorney brought in an "expert" who testified that owning guns makes someone obsessed with them, violent, and that they desired to use them to kill someone. These shows are made for entertainment. While you may see some bias or agenda from the writer, director, or producer in the show, you can also ignore it.
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Carl N. Brown
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I'll repeat something I've stated before. I am soooo glad that Die Hard II called attention to the Glock 7, the porcelain gun made in Germany that doesn't show up on airport X-ray machines and costs more than I make in a month. I could finally sleep at night. Yippee Ki Yi Ay cough cough.
Plus I learned from DeNiro in Ronin that if you dip a bullet in liquid Teflon, it'll zip through a bulletproof vest. (More movie ahem manure)
There is no connection between the gun culture I grew up in--hunters, farmers, military vets, cops--and the "gun culture" portrayed in the news and entertainment media. Sometimes I think I know what a German Jew must have felt sitting through a Joseph Goebbels propaganda film.
Plus I learned from DeNiro in Ronin that if you dip a bullet in liquid Teflon, it'll zip through a bulletproof vest. (More movie ahem manure)
There is no connection between the gun culture I grew up in--hunters, farmers, military vets, cops--and the "gun culture" portrayed in the news and entertainment media. Sometimes I think I know what a German Jew must have felt sitting through a Joseph Goebbels propaganda film.
preachnhunt
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Watch "Duck Dynasty" No anti sentiment there.
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Arkansas Paul
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I don't expect it, or any other television show to be pro gun. I just don't expect it to try and push left wing anti propaganda on me either.
I can also ignore the fact that the program is on, and not watch at all, which is what I choose to do.
smalls
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The last time I had cable I lived with my folks. When I moved out, my roommate at the time and I were too broke for cable. He paid for the Internet and I paid the Netflix subscription. I haven't regretted it one bit, and I don't think I'll ever pay for cable again. I miss a few shows, but it's worth it in my opinion.
paramedic70002
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I've noticed particularly that L&O's Mariska Hargitay (her character that is) usually has an anti-gun bent. Too bad. I really wanted to like her, mainly because her mother was Jayne Mansfield. Look closely and you might see a facial scar, earned as a toddler in the crash that killed her mother.
Remember Tom Selleck on that show about the LV casino? He OCed. Nice.
OTOH did Magnum have a CHP in Hawaii, as he occasionally stuck his 45 in his belt when he went out?
There was one crime show that emulated the Giffords shooting right down to a lawful CCer who was remorseful that he wasn't able to stop the shooter. A middle aged black male. Mixed message?
Lethal Weapon, with an anti-NRA poster in the station in the background. Not very subtle.
Remember Tom Selleck on that show about the LV casino? He OCed. Nice.
OTOH did Magnum have a CHP in Hawaii, as he occasionally stuck his 45 in his belt when he went out?
There was one crime show that emulated the Giffords shooting right down to a lawful CCer who was remorseful that he wasn't able to stop the shooter. A middle aged black male. Mixed message?
Lethal Weapon, with an anti-NRA poster in the station in the background. Not very subtle.
courtgreene
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I stopped watching SVU LOOOONG ago, not because of guns but because of another political lie they sold as truth that pissed me off.It's a shame because I used to love that show. I also don't go to hear certain concerts anymore. The first time some drop out actor/singer decides that their fame means they are somehow entitled to lecture me, I'm done. I pay you to sing, or give you my time/attention to be entertained, if I want advice I'll call.
dirtykid
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I USED to enjoy the witty-banter of the "Daily Show" and "Colbert Report"
I liked how they made fun of our politicians, exposing how stupidly they go about enacting meaningless laws that really don't accomplish anything, and the waste that our government generates by simply dancing for the cameras when they are turned on.
Then recently one night they started dissecting the gun-law debates , and making fun of
those who support the 2A
Now its not so funny, and I will stick to watching more entertaining shows such as
South Park , Family Guy , The Walking Dead , if I want mindless-entertainment
I liked how they made fun of our politicians, exposing how stupidly they go about enacting meaningless laws that really don't accomplish anything, and the waste that our government generates by simply dancing for the cameras when they are turned on.
Then recently one night they started dissecting the gun-law debates , and making fun of
those who support the 2A
Now its not so funny, and I will stick to watching more entertaining shows such as
South Park , Family Guy , The Walking Dead , if I want mindless-entertainment
Carl N. Brown
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I caught that too. Wasn't that about the time that the LA PD firearms instructor Leroy Pyle (pro-NRA) had an open disagreement with LAPD Chief McNamara who was a Brady bunch poster boy?
Episode 2 Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown CNN Sunday 21 Apr 2013
Food for thought show by food critic and chef Anthony Bourdain looks at the food of LA's Koreatown, by first talking about the defense of Koreatown by armed Korean-Americans on the rooftops during the LA Rodney King Riots. Without anti-gun condemnation (I had to check, this is on CNN?). Most of it though is is about the people, history and food of Koreatown.
It reruns Friday 11:00 pm 26 Apr 2013. Sat 2:00 am, 5:00 am and 8:00 pm 27 Apr.
Bourdain is pretty much not pro gun, but his No Reservations episode with a BBQ and range session with Ted Nugent was worth a watch. In fact, his is the only "food show" I can stomach, mainly because he focusses on the people and their history wherever he goes.
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Arkansas Paul
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I don't have a problem with the anti rants if I know that's what I'm signing up for.
I like watching Bill Maher, but I know that's what I'm getting when I tune into his show. I'm not kicked back with the family for an hour of entertainment when he's on. I'm wanting to hear him talk about controversial things.
I guess its the sneakiness of it that bothers me. That they're slipping it into people's daily routine without them looking for it.
I like watching Bill Maher, but I know that's what I'm getting when I tune into his show. I'm not kicked back with the family for an hour of entertainment when he's on. I'm wanting to hear him talk about controversial things.
I guess its the sneakiness of it that bothers me. That they're slipping it into people's daily routine without them looking for it.
JRH6856
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I tend to watch a lot of British mysteries from the BBC on Netflix. While they tend to be much more intelligently made than US TV shows, I know they will be anti-gun and may make glaringly inaccurate statements regarding any guns that may make their way into the plot, but generally they don't use guns as plot devices. In the grand tradition of Agatha Christie, they find extremely creative methods of homicide. And any disagreeable political propaganda, is their problem, not mine.
bigride
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All this television propaganda makes me ashamed to be a gun owner that supports the 2nd amendment. I also think resorting to sarcasm is shameful too.
bergmen
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You must be too young to remember all of the Westerns on TV in the 50s. Some of the shows had ads for toy guns that were plastic copies of the rifles and revolvers the stars used to shoot up every episode. "Be the first on your block..."
All of us kids had toy guns and relived the shootouts we saw each week on the many cowboy TV shows. If any of the kids in our neighborhood didn't have toy guns we thought they were weird. And this was in the LA California area.
Dan
SVU is a show where Olivia loads her Glock with rubber bullets so she won't kill a guy trying to set his wife (or girl friend) on fire. That speaks to its gun usage veracity. Don't get me started on their shooting techniques.
Yes, it is a Hollywood bias against citizen usage.
Yes, it is a Hollywood bias against citizen usage.
morcey2
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One of the CSI/L&O/NCIS/EIEIO shows has an episode where a couple of detectives go downstairs to the shooting range. The shooting range is one shooting station setup in the middle of a warehouse-looking area. The target is on a stand at about 25 feet. The backstop? People sitting at desks about 50 feet beyond the target. The lady doing the shooting is waving the gun around while talking to the guy behind her, her finger is on the trigger, she keeps pointing the gun at him, and the interns (they have to be interns, who would use employees as a backstop) behind the target are wholly unaware of their imminent demise.
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on the plus side, im down to less than 5 hours of television a week. Reloading and shooting has replaced tv, especially now that its getting warmer out.
those shows are all rubber corpses and recycled plots. Terrible, but unfortunately watched by many.
My father has gone from an avid outdoorsman to someone who tells me "i dont like seeing you shoot at silhouette targets because I think you are training to kill people"
Then wont answer me when I ask him why he carried a pistol when he was hiking with us as children, and what he intended to use it on if needed, since we dont have a lot of bears, cougars, or snakes around.
I blame television, as he's such a hermit its the only part of society he interacts with anymore.
those shows are all rubber corpses and recycled plots. Terrible, but unfortunately watched by many.
My father has gone from an avid outdoorsman to someone who tells me "i dont like seeing you shoot at silhouette targets because I think you are training to kill people"
Then wont answer me when I ask him why he carried a pistol when he was hiking with us as children, and what he intended to use it on if needed, since we dont have a lot of bears, cougars, or snakes around.
I blame television, as he's such a hermit its the only part of society he interacts with anymore.
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For those who mentioned Hawaii 5-0, read below this first response.
First, yes I've noticed, and it is getting worse.
Second, no I do not believe you are overreacting. Sure you may not participate in the ratings system, but make no mistake, there are other means to determine who is watching what show. This is not to mention that despite your best effort, you may be influenced to go and buy the products the advertisers are promoting during the commercial breaks.
About the only thing I disagree with in your post, is the notion that only drooling morons will buy into it. There are many people for which the 2A is not a typical thought, and the same goes for guns. They may be smart, but are ignorant when it comes to specifics about guns and gun control efforts. So when they see their favorite crime shows that say XYZ, and they do not know better, rest assured it plants a seed.
I do not care for the new H 5-0, and only watched a couple of episodes before I threw in the towel. However I was a fan of the old one. So when they recently promoted a new episode with Peter Weller(aka Robo Cop) that would be a remake from an old one, I was intrigued.
The original episode was called "Hookman", and was about a guy without hands who was shooting police officers. He had essentially two metal claws shaped like the end of a coat hanger, that he could open and close. The detective work led the 5-0 cops to a tool and die type of store, which helped them to figure out who the killer might be.
However in the new version the story almost remains identical, with one major exception.
The 5-0 cops went to a local gun store to try and track down the killer. While there, one of the cops started in on blasting the gun store owner with a bunch of anti-gun rhetoric. If that was not bad enough, it made the gun store owner look like a mouth breathing cop wannabe, all too eager to show off his arsenal of special weapons kept in the back of the store. When shooting breaks out at the store (the killer knew where they were as part of a set up), the gun store owner arms himself (I think with an Uzi), and offers to jump into the mess. He of course is rebuffed by the anti-gun cop who was indignant.
Now to a casual observer, it might have seemed like a normal episode. For those who had not watched the original, they would have no clue that this one aspect of the story had been changed, all in an effort to portray how eager a gun store owner was to arm criminals, and be a gun yahoo to boot.
This Youtube video created by a fan has a few of the different scenes from both episodes so you can get a feel for all the similarities.
[YOUTUBE]sDfZMCYQQSs[/YOUTUBE]
I wish someone would just take the two specific scenes and show how the new one is sending an anti-gun message. Heck the original even made more sense, so the producers went well out of their way to make their anti-gun point.
So I never really got started with the new H5-0 because I do not like the poor acting, typical diversity character changes, nor anything about the new show. However I certainly would have stopped watching it after this blatant attempt to demonise guns and gun store owners.
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For those who mentioned Hawaii 5-0, read below this first response.
First, yes I've noticed, and it is getting worse.
Second, no I do not believe you are overreacting. Sure you may not participate in the ratings system, but make no mistake, there are other means to determine who is watching what show. This is not to mention that despite your best effort, you may be influenced to go and buy the products the advertisers are promoting during the commercial breaks.
About the only thing I disagree with in your post, is the notion that only drooling morons will buy into it. There are many people for which the 2A is not a typical thought, and the same goes for guns. They may be smart, but are ignorant when it comes to specifics about guns and gun control efforts. So when they see their favorite crime shows that say XYZ, and they do not know better, rest assured it plants a seed.
I do not care for the new H 5-0, and only watched a couple of episodes before I threw in the towel. However I was a fan of the old one. So when they recently promoted a new episode with Peter Weller(aka Robo Cop) that would be a remake from an old one, I was intrigued.
The original episode was called "Hookman", and was about a guy without hands who was shooting police officers. He had essentially two metal claws shaped like the end of a coat hanger, that he could open and close. The detective work led the 5-0 cops to a tool and die type of store, which helped them to figure out who the killer might be.
However in the new version the story almost remains identical, with one major exception.
The 5-0 cops went to a local gun store to try and track down the killer. While there, one of the cops started in on blasting the gun store owner with a bunch of anti-gun rhetoric. If that was not bad enough, it made the gun store owner look like a mouth breathing cop wannabe, all too eager to show off his arsenal of special weapons kept in the back of the store. When shooting breaks out at the store (the killer knew where they were as part of a set up), the gun store owner arms himself (I think with an Uzi), and offers to jump into the mess. He of course is rebuffed by the anti-gun cop who was indignant.
Now to a casual observer, it might have seemed like a normal episode. For those who had not watched the original, they would have no clue that this one aspect of the story had been changed, all in an effort to portray how eager a gun store owner was to arm criminals, and be a gun yahoo to boot.
This Youtube video created by a fan has a few of the different scenes from both episodes so you can get a feel for all the similarities.
[YOUTUBE]sDfZMCYQQSs[/YOUTUBE]
I wish someone would just take the two specific scenes and show how the new one is sending an anti-gun message. Heck the original even made more sense, so the producers went well out of their way to make their anti-gun point.
So I never really got started with the new H5-0 because I do not like the poor acting, typical diversity character changes, nor anything about the new show. However I certainly would have stopped watching it after this blatant attempt to demonise guns and gun store owners.
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SabbathWolf
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I wasn't born until the 60's, but I still remember growing up with The Lone Ranger, Bonanza, High Chaparral, Wild Wild West, The Rifleman, Gun Smoke, The Virginian, Big Valley, and a few more.
Yep....every kid in my neighborhood had toy cap guns. We could spend hours running around playing Cowboys and Indians and shooting at each other while yelling "I Got You," "Did Not" "Did Too" Did Not" "Did Too".....lol
If it was a black powder gun or bought before 1968...maybe
Isn't Ice-T on Law and Order SVU? I think he is a big pro 2A guy.
JRH6856
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Jack Lord (Steve McGarret in the original 5-0) was extremely anti-gun. One reason I stopped watching the show.
I've heard that, but back then I was not into gun issues as I am now. Plus I was just a kid back then.
JRH6856
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That's what I recall as well. The problem was, I kept looking for it and it was such a major distraction that I no longer enjoyed the show.
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Arkansas Paul
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He is and he is.
I was surprised at first, but then did a little Google search and found out he makes $450,000 per episode. So I imagine he doesn't question the writers much.
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